I had to stop watching the video, animal abuse is something I cannot take.
[QUOTE=MonkeyMan44;21762200]Would you say the officers have the right to open fire on an old lady standing in the corner, yelling and screaming?[/QUOTE]
If it was naked and as hairy and deformed and ugly as most bred dogs, and caged. Yes.
also, the excessive force isn't my only argument..
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=21758615&postcount=106[/url]
[QUOTE=ThePuska;21762208]Doesn't particularly undermine my point about how nobody would care about this if the animal was one that's commonly associated with all the possible evils in the world.[/QUOTE]
But the fact is that the animal is not one that's commonly associated with all the possible evils in the world.
and stop arguing about this like old men. Police shot innocent dog. End of story.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;21762208]Doesn't particularly undermine my point about how nobody would care about this if the animal was one that's commonly associated with all the possible evils in the world.[/QUOTE]
baseless claim
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;21762274]baseless claim[/QUOTE]
Search your feelings, Lord Vader, you will know it to be true
[QUOTE=ThePuska;21762299]Search your feelings, Lord Vader, you will know it to be true[/QUOTE]
when your argument collapses resort to making baseless claims
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;21762336]when your argument collapses resort to making baseless claims[/QUOTE]
I assumed it could be considered common knowledge about psychology that people are more sympathetic towards something they can relate to (because many people have dogs as pets) and towards something they like (obviously furry animals are preferred to poisonous wriggly things)
i have a dark and mysterious personality the killing was necessary
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[QUOTE=ThePuska;21762410]I assumed it could be considered common knowledge about psychology that people are more sympathetic towards something they can relate to (because many people have dogs as pets) and towards something they like (obviously furry animals are preferred to poisonous wriggly things)[/QUOTE]
I would still be upset if it was a snake. Even a jar of cockroaches. It was the man's pet and he loved it, it didn't deserve to die.
[QUOTE=Alexex;21757830]I hope those cops die in a car crash[/QUOTE]
I hope somebody barges into their house in the middle of the night and shoots them.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;21762410]I assumed it could be considered common knowledge about psychology that people are more sympathetic towards something they can relate to (because many people have dogs as pets) and towards something they like (obviously furry animals are preferred to poisonous wriggly things)[/QUOTE]
still a family's pet and shooting it when it isn't a threat would be abuse on the police's part regardless of what animal it is.
I understand shooting the pitbull(maybe, it was caged. Kinda stupid) but the Corgi? What the hell? At least the Corgi was only wounded. According to the news article is wasn't killed. But still, which dumbass cop has the reflexes of an enraged retard to shoot anything when he enters a house with children in it?? It makes no sense to me. It [i]was[/i] a high-risk warrant, but that was mainly a suspicion. No reason to just waltz along in a house to [b]shoot a caged animal when it was acting aggressively, I mean, Christ. It's not gonna ram through the cage and grow 20 feet and then take you to the ground all while tearing you limb by limb.[/b]
[QUOTE=MonkeyMan44;21762200]Would you say the officers have the right to open fire on an old lady standing in the corner, yelling and screaming?[/QUOTE]
I would expect something a bit more intelligent than you, but okay - I'll play.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zNjQecyjE8[/media]
You just compared the value of the life of a human being to that of a domesticated animal. Hope you feel good about that.
But if the old woman was wielding a weapon I would say yeah, depending on what the weapon is and how far away she is. If she were in the corner with a bat I would say no but if she had a firearm, and there was no means of effective retreat from her line of fire, then yes.
Reminds me of the scene form Letters from Iwo Jima, where the "commissar" in training gets fired and beaten, because he pretended to shoot a dog after being ordered to kill it for now reason.
If I could find video, I'd post it, but I cannot.
To be perfectly honest if a police officer did that to my dog I'd calmly wait for a chance to shoot him in his goddamn face.
[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;21762543]To be perfectly honest if a police officer did that to my dog I'd calmly wait for a chance to shoot him in his goddamn face.[/QUOTE]
Oh so a murder charge would make your situation better? I would love to see you stand in court and say "He killed my dog during a high risk warrant service on my property" and believe that your actions are justified.
Hell, who am I kidding? You would never make it to court and odds are you would never get the chance to kill him. You would pull a gun and streams of bullets from at least two sources would end your pitiful life.
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[QUOTE=Jaffar;21762480]I understand shooting the pitbull(maybe, it was caged. Kinda stupid) but the Corgi? What the hell? At least the Corgi was only wounded. According to the news article is wasn't killed. But still, which dumbass cop has the reflexes of an enraged retard to shoot anything when he enters a house with children in it?? It makes no sense to me. It [i]was[/i] a high-risk warrant, but that was mainly a suspicion. No reason to just waltz along in a house to [b]shoot a caged animal when it was acting aggressively, I mean, Christ. It's not gonna ram through the cage and grow 20 feet and then take you to the ground all while tearing you limb by limb.[/b][/QUOTE]
They had no way of knowing it would not break from the cage.
:gibs:
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;21762618]You would pull a gun and streams of bullets from at least two sources would end your pitiful life.[/QUOTE]
gj calling his life pitiful
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;21762618]They had no way of knowing it would not break from the cage.[/QUOTE]
that's not a reason to shoot it.. by that logic they should have shot the wife as well because she COULD HAVE attacked them.
[QUOTE=Plasticnoob;21762418]I would still be upset if it was a snake. Even a jar of cockroaches. It was the man's pet and he loved it, it didn't deserve to die.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;21762453]still a family's pet and shooting it when it isn't a threat would be abuse on the police's part regardless of what animal it is.[/QUOTE]
Definitely, though abuse seems to suggest that it was intentionally malicious.
I was originally trying to give the case some perspective though, because it's just loaded with emotion which seems a bit biased. If you replace the adorable dog with some other animal - one the owner might still equally love - but one you don't have positive feelings about, you're left with something that doesn't sound as extreme as the current story. Add to that the fact that there were kids around, which immediately also makes the situation a thousand times more dire - for reasons unknown to me. I saw my pets die as a kid, and I don't have any psychological conditions.
My post's so horribly written that I should go to bed right now
[QUOTE=robowurmz;21757449]Contrary to popular belief, it is actually smaller breeds of dog that live longest. Larger breeds (like the Great Dane) tend to die in around 10-12 years, whereas smaller breeds live up to 16 years.[/QUOTE]
i have a Great Dane........
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;21762618]
Hell, who am I kidding? You would never make it to court and odds are you would never get the chance to kill him. You would pull a gun and streams of bullets from at least two sources would end your pitiful life.
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Just like that fuckface asshole ended that dog's [i]pitiful[/i] life, right?
[quote=FreakyMe]
They had no way of knowing it would not break from the cage.[/QUOTE]
This has been your only argument this entire time, and time after time we've ripped it a new asshole. You admitted your self: "This is somewhat a violation of a SWAT officer's training to 'Identify then react'". Again, the dog was CAGED. As in, IT ISN'T GETTING THE FUCK OUT. And besides, we've already stated it could've caused minimal injury, or caused any at all. That cop is just a trigger happy asshole.
wow what ass holes
Don't get me wrong, I hate drugs as much as anyone who has matured and understood the deal with them right, which I think it involves quite alot of people here, but this makes me hate the police even more then I do.
I've heard of the same stuff happening around here on a drug bust, but it was still fucking ridiculous. I bet most of the times, said animals dont pose a threat at all. Seriously, they just broke in fully geared into a house with a family and just did it how they wanted it. What if they "accidentally" (saying it like that because that was uncalled for) shoot someone, like 1 of the kids?
I hope they get sued for this bullshit. Soon enough, you'll have more chances of getting killed by the police for having leftovers of weed or something that looks like weed then if someone broke into your house.
So they busted into a guys house, killed his dogs, just because he had a miniscule amount of weed? That sounds like abuse. Because it wasn't in grams, it was [b]Miniscule[/b], they should have not busted in his house. Also, I agree that the person who owned the dogs should sue the police department, and should win the lawsuit.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;21762485]I would expect something a bit more intelligent than you, but okay - I'll play.
You just compared the value of the life of a human being to that of a domesticated animal. Hope you feel good about that.
But if the old woman was wielding a weapon I would say yeah, depending on what the weapon is and how far away she is. If she were in the corner with a bat I would say no but if she had a firearm, and there was no means of effective retreat from her line of fire, then yes.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't changes anything.
No one has the right to take someone else's life. It's not like a dog is a person, but it's fucking retarded to kill someone or something inoffensive like a caged dog or an old lady.
It also doesn't changes the fact they could have hurt someone else, and the fact that they thought it was some big dealer or whatever makes them look like idiots. Who the fuck does this kind of shit without deep investigation first?
[QUOTE=The Spie;21763062]So they busted into a guys house, killed his dogs, just because he had a miniscule amount of weed? That sounds like abuse. Because it wasn't in grams, it was [b]Miniscule[/b], they should have not busted in his house. Also, I agree that the person who owned the dogs should sue the police department, and should win the lawsuit.[/QUOTE]
Except that is not what the intel said. You can not blame the squad for bad intel, as they are directed to take all intel from their commanding officer as reliable.
I couldn't listen to the crying after the first shot, be it the children or the dog.
A dog crying is probably the only sound that makes me genuinely sad.
Using the "It was in the cage, but maybe they didn't see the cage and had to act fast. It was a high risk warrant so they were probably jumpy." argument in not valid. The SWAT are trained to go in and be really good at high risk situations. That is their purpose, to go in and remain calm and handle crazy things. Being so triggerhappy as to shoot a caged animal and a corgi, who pose no immediate threat, does not constitute good thinking skills under pressure. If they were not capable of thinking fast enough to make the right decision in that circumstance then they should not have been sent in. A caged dog is caged. There is a reason the owner uses that cage for the animal, because it contains him. If the dog is caged there really isn't any way the dog will all of the sudden explode his cage off and charge. Even if he does find a way out of the cage it will take him a few seconds to get out. In which case, yeah the dog is becoming a threat shoot him if you must. Dog cages don't just fall apart. I've seen quite a few in my time. They are pretty sturdy. My experience doesn't really count as hard evidence that it is not possible for the cage to break, but it will take time and the officers could have let it go. By the same logic that "The officers were nervous and needed to think fast." The 4 year old could have been shot, or his mother if they made some sudden move. It didn't happen like that, but, if your argument is correct, it is very possible that it could have happened. The next time the SWAT are sent out maybe the victims that "are threatening" will be the baby or the child. These people are not just "killers of dogs let's rage and get them for killing a cute little dog", they are a danger to everyone involved in the operation. It just so happened the victims this time were dogs.
A dog's life may not be human, but they were loved like a member of the family and it sucks to watch your loved ones die regardless of species. They are animals, but they are loved.
"WE HAVE A WARRANT"
Yeah, that justifies shooting an innocent animal.
Wait until PETA gets their hands on this.
[QUOTE=Beetle179;21763185]"WE HAVE A WARRANT"
Yeah, that justifies shooting an innocent animal.
Wait until PETA gets their hands on this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah then they'll fund ALF in firebombing the police station and that will totally be justice yeah!
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