[QUOTE=FreakyMe;21757674]They were serving a high risk warrant, and they were well within their rights to shoot the pit bull if it even looked like it was trying to escape the cage to get at them. They were entering not knowing if they would be fired on by the suspect, and for the sake of efficiency, killing the dogs was in the best interest of the search.[/QUOTE]
Wonder if you will get raided and the cops will think you're a dog if you're in your furry suit even if you don't do anything threatening but say "HEY!"
Maybe they'd shoot you :downs:
It's not ok for them to just shoot the fucking dog, Since 90% of these "drug busts" are total failures and a waste of money. Not only did they probably cause that kid to hate the police for the rest of his life, but they also made two family pets die so they could... Oh dear save the world from a pipe, grinder, and a few grams if any of marijuana. Congratulations, Your logic is impeccable.
Good to see police working on their PR image.
[QUOTE=Valdor;21763246]Wonder if you will get raided and the cops will think you're a dog if you're in your furry suit even if you don't do anything threatening but say "HEY!"
Maybe they'd shoot you :downs:
It's not ok for them to just shoot the fucking dog, Since 90% of these "drug busts" are total failures and a waste of money. Not only did they probably cause that kid to hate the police for the rest of his life, but they also made two family pets die so they could... Oh dear save the world from a pipe, grinder, and a few grams if any of marijuana. Congratulations, Your logic is impeccable.[/QUOTE]
A) Don't own one.
B) If the police were raiding, I would be face-down on the carpet or tile beneath me before they even got to me.
Also, if they shot my doberman for charging in my defense as she undoubtedly would, they would be fully justified but I would sue for the cost of loss of property [the animal in question]
Once again -
Bad intel: They thought they were going after a high-level drug trafficker.
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Also, I have seen many successful drug busts so your 90% statistic is utter shit.
[quote] Officers said the dog was acting in an uncontrollably aggressive manner.[/quote]
You kicked down the door to their fucking house and rushed in.
It's a fucking [i][b][u]PIT BULL[/i][/b][/u], of [b]COURSE[/b] it's going to attack intruders.
All of this for a [i]SUPPOSED[/i] stockpile of [u]MARIJUANA[/u](one of the most harmless drugs to ever exist)?!
It's amazing.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;21763328]A) Don't own one.
B) If the police were raiding, I would be face-down on the carpet or tile beneath me before they even got to me.
Also, if they shot my doberman for charging in my defense as she undoubtedly would, they would be fully justified but I would sue for the cost of loss of property [the animal in question]
Once again -
Bad intel: They thought they were going after a high-level drug trafficker.
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Also, [B]I have seen[/B] many successful drug busts so your 90% statistic is utter shit.[/QUOTE]
You have [B]seen[/B]... You think they'd show you all the ones that aren't successful and lose their tax support? :downs:
And you probably wouldn't be face down, You'd probably be freaking out because you'd think somebody was breaking into your home. Waking up wouldn't leave you fully alert, you'd probably be confused and panicking.
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And 99% of percentages are made up, If you call this drug bust not a failure then I don't even know what would be.
[QUOTE=Valdor;21763420]You have [b]seen[/b]... You think they'd show you all the ones that aren't successful and lose their tax support? :downs:
And you probably wouldn't be face down, You'd probably be freaking out because you'd think somebody was breaking into your home. Waking up wouldn't leave you fully alert, you'd probably be confused and panicking.[/QUOTE]
No, I live in what used to be one of the worst neighborhoods in Fresno and I have watched MAGEC single-handedly fix the drug and gang problem over the last 9 years. Over the raids combined, they collected more drugs and weapons than Fresno PD did in the last century.
Also, they announced themselves over 20 times. "Police do not move police on the ground police police."
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;21763469]No, I live in what used to be one of the worst neighborhoods in Fresno and I have watched Magec single-handedly fix the drug and gang problem over the last 9 years. Over the raids combined, they collected more drugs and weapons than Fresno PD did in the last century.
Also, they announced themselves over 20 times. "Police do not move police on the ground police police."[/QUOTE]
And the guy was still confused as to what was going on because he was SLEEPING. Notice how he went into the hallway and they had to force him to the ground?
And the war on drugs is mostly aimed towards marijuana you know that right? The drug that has never killed anybody and for all we know it can't give cancer. If anything the problem you are talking about came from gangs, which is an easily fixable problem if people weren't so anti-pot.
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It doesn't even matter, If you think the killing of the two dogs was justified you are pretty twisted.
I am not arguing that the operation was not a failure. What I am arguing is that the officers' actions in the context of serving what was believed under bad intel to be a high risk warrant were fully justified.
I regularly smoke marijuana, and am currently in possession of 1/16th of an ounce [Misdemeanor]. I really wish it would be legalized because then the police force could focus on enforcing drug laws that matter. Right now they are doing their job in enforcing a law with very little public support and I believe that is wasteful.
I am supportive of the officers that enforce the law, not the law itself as an entirety.
Not saying anything in to the officers, I'm pretty sure they have to kill any dogs that are in the house--Even if they are caged/leashed.
I'm just saying the war on drugs is a complete failure when it comes to marijuana busts.
[QUOTE=Valdor;21763741]Not saying anything in to the officers, I'm pretty sure they have to kill any dogs that are in the house--Even if they are caged/leashed.
I'm just saying the war on drugs is a complete failure when it comes to marijuana busts.[/QUOTE]
I agree, and I believe California's potential legalization will be the first step in the right direction for the nation as a whole. If you live in California, vote for it!
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/25/california-pot-legalizati_n_512788.html[/url]
Shooting the dog wasn't justified. The officer shouldn't lose his job or anything, he should be reprimanded, but nothing too serious. The shooting wasn't justified.
And drug busts like this are fucking stupid.
Yeah, because bong resin and a small baggy of weed totally warrant shooting the fucking pets.
This is why I dislike cops -- trigger happy power-mad assholes. There are exceptions, but these stories sicken me.
[QUOTE=leet;21764606]Yeah, because bong resin and a small baggy of weed totally warrant shooting the fucking pets.
This is why I dislike cops -- trigger happy power-mad assholes. There are exceptions, but these stories sicken me.[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot. Again - bad intel, they thought they were raiding the residence of a high level drug dealer, not a dude with a baggy.
Yeah it's a shitty ordeal, but it's not like they intentionally shot the guy's dogs just for shits n giggles.
I think a lot of people in this thread are more upset over the fact that drugs are illegal then the fact these dogs got shot...
cops piss me off so much sometimes.
Goddamnit, this pissed me off so much. Fucking pigs.
[QUOTE=stupid idiot;21765114]Goddamnit, this pissed me off so much. Fucking pigs.[/QUOTE]
Your user name sums up my feelings towards you exactly.
[QUOTE=stupid idiot;21765114]Goddamnit, this pissed me off so much. Fucking pigs.[/QUOTE]
you are so hardcore.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;21765140]Your user name sums up my feelings towards you exactly.[/QUOTE]
They had no right to shoot that fucking dog. You can argue it however you want, but they really didn't have the authority to shoot a caged dog that posed no threat. It wasn't in the way, it wasn't about to hurt anyone. As for the other dog, they had no reason to kill a harmless dog, or even to injure it.
This is a serious violation of property damage, and as you said yourself earlier in this fucking thread, it's a violation of SWAT protocol. Intel on this should have been better, there should have been no warrant for this guy as he only had a bag of weed for himself. There's no justification for this.
The cop doesn't deserve to lose his job, but he did something wrong. Acknowledge that.
[QUOTE=he-did-it-->;21757777]A high risk warrant for a casual user with children. That's the main issue here.[/QUOTE]
Inaccurate information. It's not their fault, it's whoever told them he was a major drug dealer's fault.
I do believe that's what they're supposed to do, especially since they had a high risk warrant on a supposedly major drug dealer, in the dark, while not knowing what the hell is going to happen.
Don't blame the police officers. Besides, have you seen how bright a torch (flashlight) is? That was their only source of light. The bigger dog in the kennel was barking and something ran at them. Sure they didn't need to shoot the dog in the kennel, but who knows. Maybe that's what they're told to do (have to do).
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[QUOTE=Beetle179;21763185]"WE HAVE A WARRANT"
Yeah, that justifies shooting an innocent animal.
[/QUOTE]
It probably does. If he were really a major drug dealer as was thought until actual investigation, they'd probably thought he'd have guard dogs not a corgi. Whoever trains them assumes nobody wants to get torn up by a hugeass boxer or german shephard or whatever, so my guess is it's protocol to shoot the dogs on sight during a high risk operation.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;21765342]False information. It's not their fault, it's whoever told them he was a major drug dealer.
I do believe that's what they're supposed to do, especially since they had a high risk warrant on a supposedly major drug dealer, in the dark, while not knowing what the hell is going to happen.
Don't blame the police officers. Besides, have you seen how bright a torch (flashlight) is? That was their only source of light. The bigger dog in the kennel was barking and something ran at them. Sure they didn't need to shoot the dog in the kennel, but who knows. Maybe that's what they're told to do (have to do).[/QUOTE]
Ya know a Police man/woman can actually do something wrong. Just because they are part of the police force doesn't make them not be able to make mistakes or do bad things.
[QUOTE=emPiRe14;21765437]Ya know a Police man/woman can actually do something wrong. Just because they are part of the police force doesn't make them not be able to make mistakes or do bad things.[/QUOTE]
That's what this was, a mistake. I'm not saying it was okay, but don't start a whole shitstorm about how cops suck just because they shot a couple dogs.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;21763328]
Also, I have seen many successful drug busts so your 90% statistic is utter shit.[/QUOTE]
Stand back guys this man watches Law and Order
Even if the intel was totally wrong, there was NO justification to shooting a caged animal.
Its been stated before, and I will state it again. These SWAT people are trained to handle these situations, and the people handled it VERY poorly. If the guy wants to press charges for excessive and unneccesary force, theres a high chance he will walk out with an apology and money for compensation. I appreciate the police and all they do, but this is ridiculous.
:ohdear:
I'm sure after this many pages, all that needs to be said has been said; Fuck the police, smoke weed every day, etc.
I wish I knew a police officer personally. I want to talk to one like a human, which is something I've never been able to do because every cop I meet seems so damn inhuman. Maybe it's because they're on duty, but they don't even act like people. It's like they're big walking guns, suspicious of everything around them and doing nothing but causing trouble. Cops have caused more trouble for me in my life than gangs and other such crime ever has. I'm not saying my case applies to anyone else, and I am aware that without them I probably would have had some issues with some criminals, but so far, every experience I've had with the police has been overwhelmingly negative.
Even when I went to the local PD go solve a identity theft issue concerning my brother, I had a bad time. I felt like everyone there was just looking for some slight excuse to arrest me. The arresting officer even told me that if I didn't have my ID when I came in there he would have arrested me concerning the charges for which my identity was falsely used. I understand his position, but come the fuck on, he was the arresting officer, if anyone knows I'm not the dude he arrested, it's him.
I don't know how I feel about the police. They do us a lot of good. For the most part, they keep people from going crazy and bursting in my house at night and shooting my pets. But now I gotta worry about the police bursting in my house at night and shooting my pets. And me if I'm not careful.
They seem to be the biggest street gang of them all. And they're legally justified to do whatever the hell they feel like at all times, depending on how they can manipulate the evidence in their favor. And if the police do me a disservice or harm, who do I turn to? The police?
Most of the time, it seems to me that the law is self-serving. Things are illegal because they are bad and they are bad because they are illegal, etc. It makes no fucking sense. Why don't the police just work toward upholding the general welfare of the people rather than upholding the law? The law is made for the general welfare of the people, but sometimes it is wrong, and acts against the welfare of the people. It is in these cases that discretion should be used. If the police weren't so concerned with upholding the law for the sake of the law and were more focused on the welfare of the people for which the laws were created, we wouldn't have issues like this.
[QUOTE=CobraUnit;21765572]Even if the intel was totally wrong, there was NO justification to shooting a caged animal.
Its been stated before, and I will state it again. These SWAT people are trained to handle these situations, and the people handled it VERY poorly. If the guy wants to press charges for excessive and unneccesary force, theres a high chance he will walk out with an apology and money for compensation. I appreciate the police and all they do, but this is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Okay nevermind. I'll just agree with this guy. Well said.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;21765460]That's what this was, a mistake. I'm not saying it was okay, but don't start a whole shitstorm about how cops suck just because they shot a couple dogs.[/QUOTE]
I agree, if they want to use something to show how cops suck they should use real evidence, like police corruption. Or police bending the rules because they know that the court will just side with the cop anyways. Or when cops bust into innocent peoples homes without a warrant. Or how police specifically don't recruit people that did the best on the police test.
Two dogs getting killed by SWAT members in a drug bust is just the tip of an iceberg if you look at all the stuff that the police do.
Also go see J Paul's post.
[QUOTE=Jettan;21757387]But Corgis are ADORABLE :smithicide:[/quote]
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep! :(
welp not gonna get involved with drugs if cops can mess up this badly.
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