[Apple Release Statement] "iPhone 'Bending' issue would RARELY occur with normal use m8."
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apple may appear calm but you know engineers are getting executed
I will laugh loudly if I see one of the apple guys having a bend iPhone.
They forgot to test it in skinny jeans.
I still find the sapphire lens camera glare issue to be the funniest by far. "You're just taking pictures at the wrong angle."
[QUOTE=meharryp;46080862]They forgot to test it in skinny jeans.[/QUOTE]
They forgot to test it under the parameters of average human experiences.
cool now explain the iOS 8.0.1 problems
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46075245]Yeah, sure only 30 people or so have reported it. Problem is, it has only been a week, and while they've probably sold around ~5m iPhone 6+s (the iPhone 6 doesn't seem to be afflicted really), this probably has nothing to do with the structural integrity of those specific devices. Over the lifetime of a device, it could become a concern for many people. [/QUOTE]
Suppose ten times that many have actually bent, and only 10% reported it, so 300 bent iPhones in a week. Of 5 million sold, that puts the proportion of bent iPhones after a week of use at 0.006%. Statistically speaking, if that trend continues, your phone would last an average of 320 years before bending.
Suppose [I]ten thousand[/I] iPhones fail by bending per week for the rest of the iPhone 6's existence. That puts the average lifespan of each phone at ten [B]years[/B].
The phone is bigger in two dimensions and smaller in a third, reducing structural integrity. It's packed full of electronics and relies on a thin aluminum backing plate for structure. The risk of bending was inevitable, but it's being seriously overreported. Don't try to cram an oversized phone in skinny jeans and it'll almost certainly last until it's time to replace it.
[QUOTE=catbarf;46081488]Suppose ten times that many have actually bent, and only 10% reported it, so 300 bent iPhones in a week. Of 5 million sold, that puts the proportion of bent iPhones after a week of use at 0.006%. Statistically speaking, if that trend continues, your phone would last an average of 320 years before bending.
Suppose [I]ten thousand[/I] iPhones fail by bending per week for the rest of the iPhone 6's existence. That puts the average lifespan of each phone at ten [B]years[/B].
The phone is bigger in two dimensions and smaller in a third, reducing structural integrity. It's packed full of electronics and relies on a thin aluminum backing plate for structure. The risk of bending was inevitable, but it's being seriously overreported. Don't try to cram an oversized phone in skinny jeans and it'll almost certainly last until it's time to replace it.[/QUOTE]
Yesterday I went to the apple store. I decided to see if I could infact bend an iPhone 6. I did, without that much effort. I then pulled out my droid ultra, which is about the same size and thickness as an iPhone 6, and I did the exact same thing. It didn't bend. Why didn't it? Maybe I was holding some sort of bias. Maybe because my phones made of Kevlar and not aluminum. Who knows.
[QUOTE=catbarf;46081488]Suppose ten times that many have actually bent, and only 10% reported it, so 300 bent iPhones in a week. Of 5 million sold, that puts the proportion of bent iPhones after a week of use at 0.006%. Statistically speaking, if that trend continues, your phone would last an average of 320 years before bending.
Suppose [I]ten thousand[/I] iPhones fail by bending per week for the rest of the iPhone 6's existence. That puts the average lifespan of each phone at ten [B]years[/B].
The phone is bigger in two dimensions and smaller in a third, reducing structural integrity. It's packed full of electronics and relies on a thin aluminum backing plate for structure. The risk of bending was inevitable, but it's being seriously overreported. Don't try to cram an oversized phone in skinny jeans and it'll almost certainly last until it's time to replace it.[/QUOTE]
Step 1: Start with an unbased assumption, your entire arguement will rest on this
[quote]Suppose ten times that many have actually bent, and only 10% reported it, so 300 bent iPhones in a week.[/quote]
Step 2: Assume bending and treatment of phone remains uniform over its lifespan
[quote]Statistically speaking, if that trend continues, your phone would last an average of 320 years before bending.[/quote]
Step 3: Use above statistics to make draw nutty conclusion
[quote]That puts the average lifespan of each phone at ten [B]years[/B].[/quote]
Step 4: Finish with some advice mitigating blame to the user
[quote]Don't try to cram an oversized phone in skinny jeans and it'll almost certainly last until it's time to replace it.[/quote]
Just a note the guy who first reported it was wearing suit pants, generally quite tight. I guess the iPhone just isn't designed for business minded people.
[sp]Also the time between releases is about 1 year. Lots of people replace when the new one comes out, so I guess it has an alright chance of lasting until the next version. Even if it breaks it is probably covered by warrenty and apple will replace it. Viva la consumerism[/sp]
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;46081550]Yesterday I went to the apple store. I decided to see if I could infact bend an iPhone 6. I did, without that much effort. I then pulled out my droid ultra, which is about the same size and thickness as am iPhone 6, and I did the exact same thing. It didn't bend. Why it didn't? Maybe I was holding some sort of bias. Maybe because my phones made of Kevlar and not aluminum. Who knows.[/QUOTE]
Duhh didnt you know iPhones are more
[QUOTE=catbarf;46081488] packed full of electronics and relies on a thin aluminum backing plate for structure. [/QUOTE]
The increased levels of innovation make the risk of being bent from improper use slightly higher, thats inevitable.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46081565]Step 1: Start with an unbased assumption, your entire arguement will rest on this
Step 2: Assume bending and treatment of phone remains uniform over its lifespan
Step 3: Use above statistics to make draw nutty conclusion
Step 4: Finish with some advice mitigating blame to the user
Just a note the guy who first reported it was wearing suit pants, generally quite tight. I guess the iPhone just isn't designed for business minded people.
[sp]Also the time between releases is about 1 year. Lots of people replace when the new one comes out, so I guess it has an alright chance of lasting until the next version. Even if it breaks it is probably covered by warrenty and apple will replace it. Viva la consumerism[/sp][/QUOTE]
I guess you didn't actually read the words you quoted? That initial assumption is irrelevant except as trivia. For the typical lifespan of an individual phone to be ten years would mean that, on average, [b]10,000[/b] phones would be bending and needing to be replaced [b]every week[/b]. Right now there have been a handful of reported cases, so unless (see, this is where I acknowledge the whole 'it won't remain uniform over the lifespan' issue) that number rises [i]astronomically[/i], it's not likely to be a significant issue for the vast majority of users. That's leaving aside that, as you pointed out, the number of people who will actually keep it that long is tiny.
Apple screwed up by extending structural design that worked fine with squatter, fatter phones to a flatter and wider design, so even with the same shape and materials it would be more prone to bending, it's not like they decided to suddenly start manufacturing it out of cardboard. Nobody's saying that all phones from all manufacturers have this problem, but for the vast majority of iPhone users it shouldn't be an issue for the life of the phone. If something does happen, you should have a warranty, so at least you can get it replaced. It's not really a bigger deal than the iPhone 4's antenna problems back in 2010, and that didn't stop the 4 from being successful, but every time there's an issue reported with a new Apple product it gets magnified by tech news to the point of hyperbole.
[QUOTE=meppers;46081487]cool now explain the iOS 8.0.1 problems[/QUOTE]
what, the problems that were taken down from the update repository?
[editline]26th September 2014[/editline]
obtain a wifi connection and update to 8.0.2 like any other person and drop the stupid grudge
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46081590]Duhh didnt you know iPhones are more
The increased levels of innovation make the risk of being bent from improper use slightly higher, thats inevitable.[/QUOTE]
Making a phone thin = innovation
Okay
how many phones got accidentally bent though? Out of the thousands upon thousands that have been sold? Not defending Apple because having a phone that can be bent is laughable but maybe this is getting blown out of proportion.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;46075287]It happened with the long thing ones, the 5th gen
[img]http://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/HT1353/HT1353_nano5g.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I have one and it's perfectly straight though?
[QUOTE=Cabbage;46082567]how many phones got accidentally bent though? Out of the thousands upon thousands that have been sold? Not defending Apple because having a phone that can be bent is laughable but maybe this is getting blown out of proportion.[/QUOTE]
Not a ton but considering it has only been out a week, I wouldn't expect many cases, I want to see the numbers in a year or two.
[QUOTE=.Lain;46081999]obtain a wifi connection and update to 8.0.2 like any other person and drop the stupid grudge[/QUOTE]
I suppose I should buy games I know are going to be broken-ass console ports on release and be fine with it because they'll fix it right
[QUOTE=gk99;46082594]I suppose I should buy games I know are going to be broken-ass console ports on release and be fine with it because they'll fix it right[/QUOTE]
No, it's like a company releasing a perfectly-working game, accidentally fucking something up with a patch, and then fixing the previous patch's issue within the next few days.
iOS 8 was the launch OS. iOS 8.0.1 was a bugfix patch. iOS 8.0.2 is the fix. It took them almost no time at all to fix it. You're not buying a broken phone in the hopes that it works later, you're buying a working phone that didn't work properly for about a day due to a software bug.
It's like not updating your video drivers because "they should have had all the problems ironed out before they released it." That's not how an OS works and that's a shitty analogy.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;46079823]What do you expect? Its a Samsung, their designers wouldn't know good taste if it bit them in the ass.[/QUOTE]
Thats why the 6+ resembles a Samsung pretty much 80-90%?
[QUOTE=Cabbage;46082567]how many phones got accidentally bent though? Out of the thousands upon thousands that have been sold? Not defending Apple because having a phone that can be bent is laughable but maybe this is getting blown out of proportion.[/QUOTE]
It's almost definitely being blown out of proportion. They sold over 10 million units in only a few days and there really haven't been that many confirmed reports of accidental bending through normal use (which Apple have said they would replace anyway).
SquareTrade recently did tests for this, and they found that a pretty average woman wasn't able to forcefully bend it, and by putting it in the pockets of people with tight jeans and even getting them to do various exercises they couldn't get it to bend. They could only get bending when they made a bodybuilder try to bend it by hand.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/09/25/no-you-probably-cant-bend-the-iphone-6-plus-unless-youre-a-bodybuilder/[/url]
[QUOTE=Mkt778;46082683]Sister's phone is already bending. She typically wears baggier, loose cut jeans and the pockets are floppy and huge on them.
AND, she keeps it in her purse about 90% of the time, anyway. But it's already bending.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/FF25rdd.jpg[/IMG]
... Copy and paste from the other post I made in the other thread, but its just bad engineering if your product can break within the first few weeks of [I]normal use.[/I] This little cunt in the photo above is all aluminum too, but uses an internal component frame. It's still light as fuck but there's never been a case someone bent theirs. Also it has decent, front facing speakers, the [I]same[/I] fucking apps, a slew of features that were out [I]before[/I] the current iPhone and (which in my opinion is the best feature) [B]you don't have to download a seperate fucking slow ass, locked-down, resource hogging, game interrupting pig of an application to have access to the phones memory. Which I might add, is unrestricted and you can just plug it in, drag a file onto it, and leave instead of fucking around with iTunes and waiting hours on fucking end for music to endlessly fucking sync only to realize half of your library won[/B][B]'t import because iTunes [/B][B]can't find the files in the folder you just fucking dragged into the program twenty times. [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't think they used the same cheap alloy as the iPhone though.
The only bad part of the One is that I can't load files from an XP machine unless I use the sync application. Not a problem for me, but it is a problem whenever I got to a printing office and have the files on my phone since a lot of them still use XP.
Also the new software version is actually less stable than the previous.
[QUOTE=gk99;46082594]I suppose I should buy games I know are going to be broken-ass console ports on release and be fine with it because they'll fix it right[/QUOTE]
yeah if they fix it within an hour
keep trying to justify this inane hatred, please
[editline]26th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pr0fane;46083050]Thats why the 6+ resembles a Samsung pretty much 80-90%?[/QUOTE]
it doesn't resemble any samsung phone in existance
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;46083165]It's almost definitely being blown out of proportion. They sold over 10 million units in only a few days and there really haven't been that many confirmed reports of accidental bending through normal use (which Apple have said they would replace anyway).
SquareTrade recently did tests for this, and they found that a pretty average woman wasn't able to forcefully bend it, and by putting it in the pockets of people with tight jeans and even getting them to do various exercises they couldn't get it to bend. They could only get bending when they made a bodybuilder try to bend it by hand.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/09/25/no-you-probably-cant-bend-the-iphone-6-plus-unless-youre-a-bodybuilder/[/url][/QUOTE]
When an insurance provider, a company that has to pay out if an insured phone gets damaged, says that it's not something to worry about, you know it's been exaggerated and blown out of proportion.
Still, it has happened, so my guess is on some phones passing QC with improperly formed components, which I guess makes sense considering the volume Apple's been needing to manufacture to meet launch demand.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;46081550]Yesterday I went to the apple store. I decided to see if I could infact bend an iPhone 6. I did, without that much effort.[/QUOTE]
Did you seriously go into a store and start vandalizing merchandise?
Just because something breaks easily doesn't mean you can just go break it. Unless I'm wrong, in which case I'm taking a trip to the glassware section of home depot
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