Slovakian PM: "Islam has no place in this country" weeks before Slovakia takes EU presidency - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Starpluck;50414031]Calling me an "ignoramus" and someone that is "pretending to know anything about Christianity" does nothing about refuting my central points to argument.[/QUOTE] One incredibly basic fault is your applying of the old testament laws to Christians. That simply isn't the case as made clear in the new testament. On the other hand, the Quran all applies equally to Muslims of today like it did to Muslims of Muhammad's time.

[QUOTE=Adarrek;50414036]From supporting wahabism abroad, to executing, beheading and stoning people just because they aren't true muslims or don't follow the culture or disagree with the system and nobody gives a shit.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=rndgenerator;50414046]But it gets criticized with WORDS, that's horrible. Saudi gets away with far too much shit and not even a slap on the wrist. If anything, EU gets bitch slapped by everyone, both EU itself and foreigners.[/QUOTE] Are we going to put Saudi Arabia in the same-level as Europe right now? Because Europe is certainly heading that way if a certain vocal European minority in FP somehow acquired power and governorship presiding over Europe. Europe professes to be a first-world, Western country. It is a signatory of numerous international conventions and treaties that Saudi is not a party too. Saudi Arabia does not wave the flag of freedom so it does not get criticized when it oppresses freedom. But Saudi does actually get criticized and held accountable, and a lot more than you think. Just this month, the [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/18/us/politics/senate-passes-bill-that-would-expose-saudi-arabia-to-legal-jeopardy-over-9-11.html"]Senate passed legislation[/URL] holding Saudi Arabia accountable for 9/11. Even Saudi Arabia's worst critics charge that Saudi was not even responsible for 9/11— yet here we are holding the Saudi's "accountable." This year, the [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/eu-parliament-votes-for-embargo-on-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia"]EU parliament voted in favor[/URL] of rightfully sanctioning Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is often criticized by NGOs, and [I]tangible[/I] action is taken against it by Western governments. You just wont see the same response if a State that is party to the EU started beheading people. Because they are part of the civilized world. Saudi does not make that profession.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;50414078] Just this month, the [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/18/us/politics/senate-passes-bill-that-would-expose-saudi-arabia-to-legal-jeopardy-over-9-11.html"]Senate passed legislation[/URL] holding Saudi Arabia accountable for 9/11. This year, the[URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/eu-parliament-votes-for-embargo-on-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia"] EU parliament voted in favor[/URL] of sanctioning Saudi Arabia. [/QUOTE]But that is bullshit. Saudi has done a ton of shit but being accountable for 9/11?

[QUOTE=Satane;50414093]When someone leaves their country, they should leave their culture and especially religion at home and integrate.[/QUOTE] How do you enforce this? You can't expect people to willingly leave their identities behind. Integration is important but that is on the country.

[QUOTE=Satane;50414201]I don't know man that's not my job. Building more mosques is certainly not the right answer. And yes leaving their culture behind is exactly what I expect from them. These are people who weren't willing to fight for their countries. Now they come here and expect the same way of life they had back home.[/QUOTE] Hoping for an okay life instead of being crammed into a camp with little freedom and no opportunities isn't unreasonable. It is not as simple as "they weren't willinh to fight for their countries" considering there are often multiple factions fighting and none of them are that great. Not to mention not all refugees are men fit to fight.

[QUOTE=Satane;50414201]I don't know man that's not my job. Building more mosques is certainly not the right answer. And yes leaving their culture behind is exactly what I expect from them. These are people who weren't willing to fight for their countries. Now they come here and expect the same way of life they had back home.[/QUOTE] Don't forget how Saudi Arabia refuses to take a single refugee in, yet offers to build 200 Wahabbi mosques in Germany if they take in that many refugees. It's absolutely fucking ridiculous how Saudi Arabia gets away with stuff like that, and how the currently leading Western European politicians show basically no spine at all.

[QUOTE=Satane;50414201]I don't know man that's not my job. Building more mosques is certainly not the right answer. And yes leaving their culture behind is exactly what I expect from them. These are people who weren't willing to fight for their countries. Now they come here and expect the same way of life they had back home.[/QUOTE] But there's the thing, you can't expect people to just leave their culture and upbringing behind at the drop of a hat. Unfortunately there's always going to be some douchebag who's going to make trouble expecting the same way of life that they had back home, but we can't tar everybody with the same assumption. Most people who flee from conflict zones just want a new life somewhere else and are willing to do whatever it takes to get that opportunity. If they refuse to integrate and settle down peacefully and make demands for this and that, or demand to be extradited somewhere else where they believe they will get better treatment or benefits, or better yet, commit crimes such as theft, arson, and sexual assault, that's on them and them alone, not the guys who're just trying to make their way in the world. Homogenization of culture does no good in the long term, since nobody has any identity they can call their own. It is a human right that people in good conscience should be allowed to practise and profess any religion or creed that they belong to, either in public or in private, alone or in the community he is living in. To deny them admission to their country purely on the basis of religion sounds an awful lot like the proposal our good pal Donald Trump made as part of his election manifesto to his vote bank. Everybody's got a right to live in the world, whether we like it or don't like it, simple as that.

[QUOTE=Satane;50414269]Then maybe they should go to the land of freedom and opportunities that caused the destabilization of their region.[/QUOTE] If they had a choice I am sure many of them would

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50414274]But there's the thing, you can't expect people to just leave their culture and upbringing behind at the drop of a hat. Unfortunately there's always going to be some douchebag who's going to make trouble expecting the same way of life that they had back home, but we can't tar everybody with the same assumption. Most people who flee from conflict zones just want a new life somewhere else and are willing to do whatever it takes to get that opportunity. If they refuse to integrate and settle down peacefully and make demands for this and that, or demand to be extradited somewhere else where they believe they will get better treatment or benefits, or better yet, commit crimes such as theft, arson, and sexual assault, that's on them and them alone, not the guys who're just trying to make their way in the world. Homogenization of culture does no good in the long term, since nobody has any identity they can call their own. It is a human right that people in good conscience should be allowed to practise and profess any religion or creed that they belong to, either in public or in private, alone or in the community he is living in. To deny them admission to their country purely on the basis of religion sounds an awful lot like the proposal our good pal Donald Trump made as part of his election manifesto to his vote bank. Everybody's got a right to live in the world, whether we like it or don't like it, simple as that.[/QUOTE] very noble notion, except if a country prefers not to deal with the massive influx of immigrants that come from a different economical and cultural background (who WILL cause problems, big or small) it is entirely within their right, and even more so - their moral right to circumvent this hassle and unnecessary headache. [editline]29th May 2016[/editline] this pipedream of us living in some strange utopian world with no borders is just that, a pipe dream and frankly i don't want to live in a world where all men are equal, because that concept is in and of itself complete nonsense as well as wholesomely disingenuous - there is a worth to human lives and it's almost entirely materialistic.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50414075]One incredibly basic fault is your applying of the old testament laws to Christians. That simply isn't the case as made clear in the new testament. On the other hand, the Quran all applies equally to Muslims of today like it did to Muslims of Muhammad's time.[/QUOTE] Lord Jesus on the Old Testament: “[U]Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them[/U]. I tell you the truth, [U]until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law[/U] until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18) I am not going to be drawn into a theocratic argument whether what Jesus "truly meant" in 18 A.D, and what we think "he meant" in 2016 A.D. since this matter is entirely irrelevant. In favor of discarding this futile argument, I will bring up the numerous Christian militias that cite these "out-of-date" laws" similarly to how numerous Islamic militias cite "out-of-date" laws. People like yourself are in favor of discarding the Old Testament in favor of the New Testament, all while an equal amount of Christians oppose you, including the many who hold office in the U.S. Government; they hold that the Old Testament holds the same precedence as the New Testament. This is a scholarly debate between Christians that has raged for over a millennia— akin to the scholarly debate in Islam on whether certain scriptures are relevant to today and were not only applicable to that certain time period (i.e. a time of war). In effect, you are just reiterating my point. The same exact issue that Christians face is 1:1 to Islam in the Qur'an. But please, don't say they are any different. In an iconoclastic move derived straight from the Holy Scripture, Christian groups in Africa sharing resemblance to ISIS [URL="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Almost-all-mosques-destroyed-in-Central-African-Republic-unrest/articleshow/46610528.cms"]destroyed virtually nearly every single mosque[/URL] in Central Africa Republic. Indeed, for it is a sin as mandated in the Holy Bible itself that those who worship of other Gods must face ultimate destruction. In a report uncovered by Amnesty International— the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka"]Anti-balaka[/URL]— a group that has [URL="http://allafrica.com/stories/201507311230.html"]forced Muslims to convert to Christianity[/URL] by the sword, has [URL="https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/02/central-african-republic-ethnic-cleansing-sectarian-violence/"]forced thousands of Muslims to flee[/URL] their homes after carrying out several massacres. Below in quotes, is a stark reminder to the dark times of the Inquisition, or to my reference of the Old Testament in which you protest— many Christian groups disagree with your assertion of discarding Biblical verses and hold these very scriptures to be completely valid today. Just as many Muslims will disagree and hold that the extremist scriptures in the Qur'an to be valid today. [quote] [URL]https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/02/central-african-republic-ethnic-cleansing-sectarian-violence/[/URL] "[B]We had no choice but to join the Catholic Church. The anti-balaka swore they'd kill us if we didn't."[/B] "It is effectively illegal for us to pray," said a Muslim man trader in Mbaiki. "We have to hide, do it quickly, and do it by ourselves. Collective Friday prayers are impossible."[/quote] [quote]Amnesty International criticized the international community’s tepid response to the crisis, noting that international peacekeeping troops have been reluctant to challenge anti-balaka militias, and slow to protect the threatened Muslim minority. .... The most lethal attack documented by Amnesty International took place on 18 January in Bossemptele, where at least 100 Muslims were killed. Among the dead were women and old men, including an imam in his mid-70s. [/quote] [quote]In May 2014, it was reported that around 600,000 people in CAR were internally displaced with 160,000 of these in the capital Bangui. [B]The Muslim population of Bangui had dropped from 138,000 to 900[/B].[/quote] The Lord's Resistance Army led by Mr. Kony himself engages in brutal practices in name of the Bible. They range from employing child soldiers and of committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and using forced child labourers as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves. These fighters for the LRA choose to wear the Cross (rosary beads) and recite passages from the Bible directly before committing a specific atrocity according to the New York Times. They recite very the same quotes you wish to discard. [URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/04/africa_ugandan_rebels_come_home/html/6.stm[/URL] [quote]One of the differences on the LRA pips is a white bible inside a heart. Abductees are forced to attend religious sessions which seem designed to brainwash them to stay in the LRA.[/quote] Joseph Kony, the leader of of world's largest child-solider Army, references the Bible below in quotes as a legitimacy for engaging in his atrocities (New York Times article linked) [quote]Who is to blame? It is you! [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/04/world/uganda-s-terror-crackdown-multiplies-the-suffering.html"]The Bible says that if your hand, eye or mouth is at fault, it should be cut off.[/URL]" The rebels began cutting off the lips, hands, noses and breasts of civilians, intending that their victims survive as constant warnings to others.[/quote] This also ignores the numerous atrocities perpetuated by Christian militia groups in Lebanon as witnessed by the Karatina, Tel al-Zataar and the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in which the U.N. concluded was a form of "genocide" against Muslims. As witnessed above, if you give Christians governorship of a third-world country, and they will transform it into hell. They will cite passages from the Bible which you dispute. Similarly, give Muslims a third-world country and it will turn into the same hell whom will employ the very same and scarily-mirrored "out-of-date" scriptures and passages in their atrocities, just like their Christian counterparts. The same group of moderate Muslims just like yourself as a moderate Protestant, will dispute the reference of these quotes from the Qur'an and hold them to be invalid in 2016 A.D. However, that does not stop the numerous Islamic groups from citing them while carrying out their atrocities. And that will not stop the numerous Christian groups from citing the Bible when carrying out their atrocities.

[QUOTE=Satane;50414325]Why does everyone need a special identity and cultural background? I don't see a problem with everyone having the same beliefs. Europe is or was doing just fine without it, we don't need americanization.[/QUOTE] By it you mean islam? If so then Europe has been doing fine with it so far.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50414428]By it you mean islam? If so then Europe has been doing fine with it so far.[/QUOTE] Hundreds of deaths because of terrorist attacks on European soil isn't fucking fine, Jazzy.

[QUOTE=Jordax;50414699]Hundreds of deaths because of terrorist attacks on European soil isn't fucking fine, Jazzy.[/QUOTE] Do you also blame Islam for 9/11?

[QUOTE=Satane;50414325]Why does everyone need a special identity and cultural background? I don't see a problem with everyone having the same beliefs. Europe is or was doing just fine without it, we don't need americanization.[/QUOTE] I don't think I've ever read a more stupid post. People shouldn't be proud of the culture they come from? They should completely leave it behind because they're running from a warzone? Jesus Christ dude. Your comment on the last page riled me up too. Something about not staying behind to fight for their country. I just... what??? You want to force women and children into combat too then? And then there's the complexity of who you should fight for.. ISIS or Assad? Rock and a hard place.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;50414374]Lord Jesus on the Old Testament: “[U]Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them[/U]. I tell you the truth, [U]until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law[/U] until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18) I am not going to be drawn into a theocratic argument whether what Jesus "truly meant" in 18 A.D, and what we think "he meant" in 2016 A.D. since this matter is entirely irrelevant. In favor of discarding this futile argument, I will bring up the numerous Christian militias that cite these "out-of-date" laws" similarly to how numerous Islamic militias cite "out-of-date" laws. People like yourself are in favor of discarding the Old Testament in favor of the New Testament, all while an equal amount of Christians oppose you, including the many who hold office in the U.S. Government; they hold that the Old Testament holds the same precedence as the New Testament. This is a scholarly debate between Christians that has raged for over a millennia— akin to the scholarly debate in Islam on whether certain scriptures are relevant to today and were not only applicable to that certain time period (i.e. a time of war). In effect, you are just reiterating my point. The same exact issue that Christians face is 1:1 to Islam in the Qur'an. But please, don't say they are any different. In an iconoclastic move derived straight from the Holy Scripture, Christian groups in Africa sharing resemblance to ISIS [URL="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Almost-all-mosques-destroyed-in-Central-African-Republic-unrest/articleshow/46610528.cms"]destroyed virtually nearly every single mosque[/URL] in Central Africa Republic. Indeed, for it is a sin as mandated in the Holy Bible itself that those who worship of other Gods must face ultimate destruction. In a report uncovered by Amnesty International— the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka"]Anti-balaka[/URL]— a group that has [URL="http://allafrica.com/stories/201507311230.html"]forced Muslims to convert to Christianity[/URL] by the sword, has [URL="https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/02/central-african-republic-ethnic-cleansing-sectarian-violence/"]forced thousands of Muslims to flee[/URL] their homes after carrying out several massacres. Below in quotes, is a stark reminder to the dark times of the Inquisition, or to my reference of the Old Testament in which you protest— many Christian groups disagree with your assertion of discarding Biblical verses and hold these very scriptures to be completely valid today. Just as many Muslims will disagree and hold that the extremist scriptures in the Qur'an to be valid today. The Lord's Resistance Army led by Mr. Kony himself engages in brutal practices in name of the Bible. They range from employing child soldiers and of committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and using forced child labourers as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves. These fighters for the LRA choose to wear the Cross (rosary beads) and recite passages from the Bible directly before committing a specific atrocity according to the New York Times. They recite very the same quotes you wish to discard. [URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/04/africa_ugandan_rebels_come_home/html/6.stm[/URL] Joseph Kony, the leader of of world's largest child-solider Army, references the Bible below in quotes as a legitimacy for engaging in his atrocities (New York Times article linked) This also ignores the numerous atrocities perpetuated by Christian militia groups in Lebanon as witnessed by the Karatina, Tel al-Zataar and the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in which the U.N. concluded was a form of "genocide" against Muslims. As witnessed above, give Christians rule of a third-world country, and they will transform it into hell. They will cite passages from the Bible which you dispute. Similarly, give Muslims a third-world country and it will turn into the same hell whom will employ the very same and scarily-mirrored "out-of-date" scriptures and passages in their atrocities, just like their Christian counterparts. The same group of Muslims just like yourself, will dispute the reference of these quotes from the Qur'an and hold them to be invalid in 2016 A.D. However, that does not stop the numerous Islamic groups from citing them while carrying out their atrocities. And that will not stop the numerous Christian groups from citing the Bible when carrying out their atrocities.[/QUOTE] but you're wrong though /s [QUOTE=Satane;50414325]Why does everyone need a special identity and cultural background? I don't see a problem with everyone having the same beliefs. Europe is or was doing just fine without it, we don't need americanization.[/QUOTE] You're a dingus if you think all countries in Europe are full of people who share the same beliefs and cultural backgrounds lol

[QUOTE=Jordax;50414699]Hundreds of deaths because of terrorist attacks on European soil isn't fucking fine, Jazzy.[/QUOTE] Over the course of the history of Islam and Europe, we've been doing pretty fine. It's only in recent years we've been seeing a influx of terrorist aggression, and this is largely to do unrest in the Middle East boiling over to those who have been fucking around in that sandbox for decades now. Not that I particularly care about your views on this matter and know that I won't be able to convince one of the most unapologetic rampant nationalists and xenophobes of the forum about anything to do with "those damn sand darkies". But y'know.

[QUOTE=Satane;50415264]If they plan to live and work in the country then yes I expect them to integrate not march down the street demanding mosques and halal.[/QUOTE] Oh shit lads people are asking for a place of worship and a particular method of slaughter that we regulate to fuck anyway and that doesn't actually change the way the meat comes out the other end. Better shut the fucking borders and start insulting brown people.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50415274]Oh shit lads people are asking for a place of worship and a particular method of slaughter that we regulate to fuck anyway and that doesn't actually change the way the meat comes out the other end. Better shut the fucking borders and start insulting brown people.[/QUOTE] We have to ban Muslims to protect our western liberal democratic values like freedom of religion.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50415274] and start insulting brown people.[/QUOTE] nobody claimed this was okay. but not every country has to be culturally sensitive, and bend to the will of outsiders. that's their right. should they give up that right just so they don't hurt the feelings of people with different beliefs? or just because "it's a nice thing to do"? absolutely not.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;50415404]nobody claimed this was okay. but not every country has to be culturally sensitive, and bend to the will of outsiders. that's their right. should they give up that right just so they don't hurt the feelings of people with different beliefs? or just because "it's a nice thing to do"? absolutely not.[/QUOTE] This has nothing to do with political correctness and "doing a nice thing" at all, nobody claimed this.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50415351]We have to ban Muslims to protect our western liberal democratic values like freedom of religion.[/QUOTE] What should happen then, when imams preach for the overthrow of the democratic system, antisemitism and violence against apostates, gays, and whatnot. The muslims who spew such shit claim its coming from their religious convictions, and who are we to say it isnt. Does that fall within freedom of religion?

[QUOTE=Satane;50415264]See: balkan, the most ethically diverse part of europe vs the rest of europe [/QUOTE] First off, the Balkans' most recent spout of violence, the Yugoslav Wars (particularly the Bosnian War) was [I]not[/I] primarily about Islam. For example, most of the atrocities and genocidal actions committed in the Bosnian War was committed by non-Muslim Serbians. Secondly, the "rest of Europe" have always been home to Muslims for centuries, and there was nowhere near the level of violence, if any, as there are now. Could it [B]possibly[/B] be that the resurgence of militant Islam has more to do with socio-economic issues in the past five decades, or political problems and instability, and less of "well they're inherently unable to adapt"?

[QUOTE=Satane;50415264]See: balkan, the most ethically diverse part of europe vs the rest of europe[/quote] You mean when people tried to ethnically cleanse the muslim population? You're seriously using that as evidence? [quote] If they plan to live and work in the country then yes I expect them to integrate not march down the street demanding mosques and halal.[/QUOTE] Lmao whats so bad about building mosques and asking for halal meat? People allow jews to have kosher foods but because they're muslim its suddenly bad. Building mosques would literally be the same as building more churches. People would not be up in arms over the construction of a few churches.

[QUOTE=Satane;50414020]A line has to be drawn somewhere. Diversity leads to conflict this has been proven again and again.[/QUOTE] Bollocks. Slovakia has a tiny amount of muslims, hell, I am a foreigner in Slovakia and the only kind of cultural conflict I have witnessed has been initiated by Slovaks. [QUOTE=Jordax;50414699]Hundreds of deaths because of terrorist attacks on European soil isn't fucking fine, Jazzy.[/QUOTE] Exactly, Catholic extremists are nothing to sneeze at.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;50415544]What should happen then, when imams preach for the overthrow of the democratic system, antisemitism and violence against apostates, gays, and whatnot. The muslims who spew such shit claim its coming from their religious convictions, and who are we to say it isnt. Does that fall within freedom of religion?[/QUOTE] I guess when those people surpass the 0.01% of europes population we should be worried?

Fico is a shit snake also lotsa people believe that muslims have a close relation to terrorism because of all the news and fear morgering so I'm not suprised but it's mainly older people anyway they hate anything foreign probably also skinheads and neo-nazis, huge cowardly retards

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;50415544]What should happen then, when imams preach for the overthrow of the democratic system, antisemitism and violence against apostates, gays, and whatnot. The muslims who spew such shit claim its coming from their religious convictions, and who are we to say it isnt. Does that fall within freedom of religion?[/QUOTE] Then we should investigate those particular individuals and if deemed necessary, arrest them for whatever crime that falls in to (it's probably hate speech). Not just close the borders to all brown people at the chance they might be Muslim and start treating Muslims like second class citizens (which leads to resentment and a greater reason to blow our shit up).

[QUOTE=Starpluck;50414374]Lord Jesus on the Old Testament: “[U]Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them[/U]. I tell you the truth, [U]until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law[/U] until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18) I am not going to be drawn into a theocratic argument whether what Jesus "truly meant" in 18 A.D, and what we think "he meant" in 2016 A.D. since this matter is entirely irrelevant. In favor of discarding this futile argument, I will bring up the numerous Christian militias that cite these "out-of-date" laws" similarly to how numerous Islamic militias cite "out-of-date" laws.[/QUOTE] Firstly, there's a difference between the laws intended only for Jews and the moral laws that applied to everyone. Not sacrificing children, for example, is a universal law. It's one of the reasons there's the whole story about Abraham not sacrificing his son. Sacrificing children was a common thing back in that time period and one of goals of that story was to show that God did not want it to happen any more. The law you quoted before, about stoning people, was specifically a Jewish law. Even in the time of the Old Testament, other cultures weren't held to those laws. To argue that Christians should be held to them today betrays an absolute ignorance about the differences of those kinds of laws. If I hadn't been on a phone I would have addressed this specific verse in my original response because it's the go to for everyone ignorant of Christian theology. We don't really need to guess because the Bible is to be taken in it's entirety and the rest of it makes the point extremely clear. Jesus did not come to abolish the law. He came to show how meaningful it really was. Galatians chapter 3 clarifies the issue. It talks about the law being a tutor. The law showed mankind that salvation through law was impossible. All men fail to hold to the entire law. God gave the law to confirm this fact in the eyes of mankind. That chapter in Galatians calls it a "tutor." It then goes on to say that we are not longer under a tutor because Jesus came so that we could obtain our full sonship and gain the inheritance that goes along with it. He didn't abolish the law. By coming and dying he showed that the effects of breaking the law meant a whole lot. So much that the only solution was an intervention and suffering by God, himself. [QUOTE]People like yourself are in favor of discarding the Old Testament in favor of the New Testament, all while an equal amount of Christians oppose you, including the many who hold office in the U.S. Government; they hold that the Old Testament holds the same precedence as the New Testament. This is a scholarly debate between Christians that has raged for over a millennia— akin to the scholarly debate in Islam on whether certain scriptures are relevant to today and were not only applicable to that certain time period (i.e. a time of war). In effect, you are just reiterating my point. The same exact issue that Christians face is 1:1 to Islam in the Qur'an. But please, don't say they are any different.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but this is just hogwash. There are a tiny minority of Christians who hold to all the laws of the old testament (if any at all), and they just happen to be the same people who hold to tons of crazy other extra-Biblical beliefs. [QUOTE]In an iconoclastic move derived straight from the Holy Scripture, Christian groups in Africa sharing resemblance to ISIS [URL="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Almost-all-mosques-destroyed-in-Central-African-Republic-unrest/articleshow/46610528.cms"]destroyed virtually nearly every single mosque[/URL] in Central Africa Republic. Indeed, for it is a sin as mandated in the Holy Bible itself that those who worship of other Gods must face ultimate destruction. In a report uncovered by Amnesty International— the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka"]Anti-balaka[/URL]— a group that has [URL="http://allafrica.com/stories/201507311230.html"]forced Muslims to convert to Christianity[/URL] by the sword, has [URL="https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/02/central-african-republic-ethnic-cleansing-sectarian-violence/"]forced thousands of Muslims to flee[/URL] their homes after carrying out several massacres. Below in quotes, is a stark reminder to the dark times of the Inquisition, or to my reference of the Old Testament in which you protest— many Christian groups disagree with your assertion of discarding Biblical verses and hold these very scriptures to be completely valid today. Just as many Muslims will disagree and hold that the extremist scriptures in the Qur'an to be valid today. [/QUOTE] If we're going by the idea that anyone who claims to follow an ideology should be taken at face value, then there's no such thing as a good ideology. Any honest person looks at their claim, compares it to the source scripture or reasoning, and sees if those claims stand. [QUOTE]The Lord's Resistance Army led by Mr. Kony himself engages in brutal practices in name of the Bible. They range from employing child soldiers and of committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and using forced child labourers as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves. These fighters for the LRA choose to wear the Cross (rosary beads) and recite passages from the Bible directly before committing a specific atrocity according to the New York Times. They recite very the same quotes you wish to discard. [URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/04/africa_ugandan_rebels_come_home/html/6.stm[/URL] Joseph Kony, the leader of of world's largest child-solider Army, references the Bible below in quotes as a legitimacy for engaging in his atrocities (New York Times article linked)[/QUOTE] The Lord's Resistance Army is also an insane cult that thinks Joseph Kony is a prophet from God who regularly gets possessed by spirits. They hold to tons of non-Christian beliefs. To hold them as an accurate interpreter of the scripture is insane. Clearly you have no desire to actually discuss honestly. Your entire argument is based on ignorance and appeals to cults that no modern person would recognize as Biblically Christian.