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[QUOTE=Strider*;28488851] You were the first to bring up Ayn Rand[/QUOTE] oh don't you even pull that shit
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28488860]It's like you don't even read what people reply to what you say. [b]this is why moral conviction of your views is wrong, you can't possibly not see why pure moral conviction and objective view is bad. [/b][/QUOTE] Objectives are to be discovered.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488863]hah there's where you are completely wrong and you proved it by quoting the ayn rand institute and saying my interpretation was wrong objectivism is a dogma, you are either objectivist or you are not[/QUOTE] Every belief system that tells its believers that you must convince yourself to a point of complete conviction is a dogma. How is this not something he gets?
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488870]Objectivism is confirmed through reason. A dogma isn't questioned.[/QUOTE] ayn rand believed in objective truth and she believed that objectivism was the objective truth how the fuck do you question that? that's exactly the problem with objectivism
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488872]oh don't you even pull that shit[/QUOTE] Reread it I made a comment about capitalism and you said and I quote "Ayn Rand would also disagree". You're the one that brought her into this conversation so to even make the claim that I use her as a quick getaway from intellectual conversation is ludicrous.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488870]Objectivism is confirmed through reason. A dogma isn't questioned.[/QUOTE] Objectivism isn't dogma because dogma isn't questioned, but Objectivism doesn't have to be questioned because it's self evidently correct.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488873]Objectives are to be discovered.[/QUOTE] Reading comprehension 0/10. Objective view means you believe your view is the only true view. you've said this before. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;28488886]Reread it I made a comment about capitalism and you said and I quote "Ayn Rand would also disagree". You're the one that brought her into this conversation so to even make the claim that I use her as a quick getaway from intellectual conversation is ludicrous.[/QUOTE] What do you do when you're confronted with an issue? You seemingly, just run with her exact idea.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488879]ayn rand believed in objective truth and she believed that objectivism was the objective truth how the fuck do you question that? that's exactly the problem with objectivism[/QUOTE] Objectivism isn't a complete philosophy there is still much more to be added and philosophized.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28488868]hey, we're very oppressed here in vancouver, a city in a socialist democracy...[/QUOTE] I can just [I]feel the sting[/I] of government oppression while Im living with my superior standard of living, low crime rate and large number of personal freedoms :gonk:
That's thinking for yourself if i've ever seen it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28488890]Reading comprehension 0/10. Objective view means you believe your view is the only true view. you've said this before.[/QUOTE] Yes but you don't accept something as the "true view" without rationally justifying or discovering it first. Why is this so hard for you?
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488894]Objectivism isn't a complete philosophy there is still much more to be added and philosophized.[/QUOTE] so any sort of dogma that doesn't explain ABSOLUTELY EVERY QUESTION EVER ASKED ABOUT ANYTHING isn't dogma because there is room for debate so dogma doesn't exist
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28488889]Objectivism isn't dogma because dogma isn't questioned, but Objectivism doesn't have to be questioned because it's self evidently correct.[/QUOTE] Objectivism must be confirmed like any other rational truth, hence the large amounts of material Ayn Rand put out.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488903]Yes but you don't accept something as the "true view" without rationally justifying or discovering it first. Why is this so hard for you?[/QUOTE] You can accept a view as true but that doesn't mean it is true. Even when I've rationalized something to death, I don't have the arrogance to imagine that my view is universally correct.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488894]Objectivism isn't a complete philosophy there is still much more to be added and philosophized.[/QUOTE] absolutely not. objectivism died with ayn rand. she said you aren't an objectivist unless you completely agreed with it because it's an objective truth. how can you add and philosophize something that the creator considered correct and absolutely true?
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488903]Yes but you don't accept something as the "true view" without rationally justifying or discovering it first. Why is this so hard for you?[/QUOTE] hey guess what reasonable skepticism is healthy for fostering an accurate world view or maybe skeptics just don't get it like you do
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28488906]so any sort of dogma that doesn't explain ABSOLUTELY EVERY QUESTION EVER ASKED ABOUT ANYTHING isn't dogma because there is room for debate so dogma doesn't exist[/QUOTE] No religion is a dogma because it can not be rationally defended.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488912]Objectivism must be confirmed like any other rational truth, hence the large amounts of material Ayn Rand put out.[/QUOTE] Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but large amount of hypothesising material = confirmed hypothesis?
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488919]No religion is a dogma because it can not be rationally defended.[/QUOTE] that's not what dogma means and yes it could be rationally defended if you were religious yeah turns out i'm not an objectivist, big shock
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488912]Objectivism must be confirmed like any other rational truth, hence the large amounts of material Ayn Rand put out.[/QUOTE] She believed as you do. That her view point is objectively correct, meaning her view point has been, in her own words ""If you want to save capitalism, there is only one type of argument that you should adopt, the only one that has ever won in any moral issue: the argument from self-esteem. Check your premises, convince yourself of the rightness of your cause, and then fight for capitalism with full, moral certainty." That whole bit is about convincing yourself to a point of conviction. If you have to convince yourself past a point of rational discussion to confirm your own shit, that's a bad sign.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488916]absolutely not. objectivism died with ayn rand. she said you aren't an objectivist unless you completely agreed with it because it's an objective truth. how can you add and philosophize something that the creator considered correct and absolutely true?[/QUOTE] Yeah that's definitely why she didn't appoint an intellectual heir to continue her work right? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Peikoff[/url]
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488936]Yeah that's definitely why she didn't appoint an intellectual heir to continue her work right? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Peikoff[/url][/QUOTE] He fucking called you peikoff earlier, he gets it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488933]that's not what dogma means and yes it could be rationally defended if you were religious yeah turns out i'm not an objectivist, big shock[/QUOTE] Rationally defend the certain existence of god then.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488936]Yeah that's definitely why she didn't appoint an intellectual heir to continue her work right? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Peikoff[/url][/QUOTE] I'd rather be appointed the heir of a septic tank in Africa.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488936]Yeah that's definitely why she didn't appoint an intellectual heir to continue her work right? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Peikoff[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]Peikoff views Objectivism as a "closed system" that consists solely of the philosophical principles Rand herself had articulated, and he considers disagreement with any of these principles a departure from Objectivism.[/quote] continue or propagate? there's a difference
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488940]Rationally defend the certain existence of god then.[/QUOTE] You can't. Just like you can't rationally defend the ideal of capitalism to a certainty.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488940]Rationally defend the certain existence of god then.[/QUOTE] Well god put out a large amount of material defining his existence. Therefor I exhort that he exists.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28488917]hey guess what reasonable skepticism is healthy for fostering an accurate world view or maybe skeptics just don't get it like you do[/QUOTE] There is no such thing as reasonable skepticism if it is continued without conviction. To grant plausibility to everything is completely unreasonable.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488957]There is no such thing as reasonable skepticism if it is continued without conviction. To grant plausibility to everything is completely unreasonable.[/QUOTE] [b]You believe in an objective truth and you're lecturing us about skepticism?[/b]
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488940]Rationally defend the certain existence of god then.[/QUOTE] i'm not religious so it wouldn't be my place to
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