• Egyptian Revolution Was Against Neoliberalism- The Best Opinion Piece I've Seen In A While
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28441092]You act like Socialist Democracies succeeding as well as they are don't exist.[/QUOTE] I had to read this sentence 4 times to understand what you're saying. It's phrased weirdly :psyduck:
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28441255]SCANdinavia? That's just one letter away from SCAM, you dirty commie. Absolute free market economies will save the world.[/QUOTE] Can't spell Scandinavia without naive (as long as you don't use the e)
No shit, neoliberalism tends to fail dramatically in states that aren't at the apex of the world economy. And even then, it's not great in it's truest form.
neoliberalism could work if there are laws and regulations regarding business's interactions with government. Unfortunately the person who wrote this [b]opinion piece[/b] talks about the theory with which these countries were founded on and not the actual way in which the countries are run in the real world. Though I know everyone thinks they were, the "Communist Countries" of the cold war weren't really communist but more totalitarian with hints of socialism thrown in, and corruption was rampant in them too. They were actually more similar to the countries that tried to create leoliberal societies than actual communism, but under the impression that they were doing the exact opposite of the corruption they associated with capitalism. No government system is immune from corruption, the problem isn't the government (though communism was a little bit worse because of censorship and the delusion that they were actually helping people) it's the people's lack of information about what really happens in their government and the likelihood of individuals with selfish interests to get into leadership roles because of human nature. The biggest problem isn't those "fucking crazy tea partiers who want the corporations to run our lives" or those "fucking liberals who want the government to run our lives" but people's lack of information, education and unwillingness to think. If people were more willing to think about these things and do something about it corruption would be no where near as rampant as it is.
[QUOTE=s0beit;28434984]So do ads and personals, this isn't news.[/QUOTE] I remember when someone posted an opinion article from the Wall Street Journal a few months back and all the socialists took up arms against it and wouldn't rest until the thread was closed. [quote=The Rules]Editorials, blogs, and other opinion pieces are not news (certain blogs, like Kotaku, Huffington Post, & the Drudge Report are okay).[/quote] [editline]5th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28441092]You act like Socialist Democracies succeeding as well as they are don't exist.[/QUOTE] We must have a different definition of success. High cost of living, high taxes, and a relatively low group of affluent businessmen does not work with my definition. The problem is the people who are in favor of the Scandinavian model and the "Socialist Democracy" are those who want everyone to be mediocre with them.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28444123]I remember when someone posted an opinion article from the Wall Street Journal a few months back and all the socialists took up arms against it and wouldn't rest until the thread was closed. [editline]5th March 2011[/editline] We must have a different definition of success. High cost of living, high taxes, and a relatively low group of affluent businessmen does not work with my definition. The problem is the people who are in favor of the Scandinavian model and the "Socialist Democracy" are those who want everyone to be mediocre with them.[/QUOTE] How exactly are they mediocre?
[QUOTE=Strider*;28444123]I remember when someone posted an opinion article from the Wall Street Journal a few months back and all the socialists took up arms against it and wouldn't rest until the thread was closed. [editline]5th March 2011[/editline] We must have a different definition of success. High cost of living, high taxes, and a relatively low group of affluent businessmen does not work with my definition. The problem is the people who are in favor of the Scandinavian model and the "Socialist Democracy" are those who want everyone to be mediocre with them.[/QUOTE] except those living in the scandinavian model generally have a far higher standard of living than Americans, are generally far happier, less corrupt, better educated, have better healthcare and live longer. BUT IT AIN'T FREEDOM IS IT STRIDER 'MERICA HOORAH MARINES oh actually scrap that they have a more free press too, I guess they are just better than your country at everything add to that the democracy index, which scandanavia is also doing better in. you're not so good at the whole land of the free thing are you
[QUOTE=Strider*;28444123] We must have a different definition of success. [/QUOTE] You wouldnt call a country a success even though it has far less rape,murder, suicide rates and higher intelligence, life expectancy, happiness and chances of a female going all the way on the first date?
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;28430758]Neoliberalism in this context seems to have nothing to do with liberals as viewed in the west.[/QUOTE] It's mainly America that has the terms mixed up. Outside of the USA "liberal" has historically implied support for free markets and small government
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;28446763]except those living in the scandinavian model generally have a far higher standard of living than Americans, are generally far happier, less corrupt, better educated, have better healthcare and live longer. BUT IT AIN'T FREEDOM IS IT STRIDER 'MERICA HOORAH MARINES oh actually scrap that they have a more free press too, I guess they are just better than your country at everything add to that the democracy index, which scandanavia is also doing better in. you're not so good at the whole land of the free thing are you[/QUOTE] You're the first one to mention all the "hurr durr land of the free" stuff.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;28446763]except those living in the scandinavian model generally have a far higher standard of living than Americans, are generally far happier, less corrupt, better educated, have better healthcare and live longer. BUT IT AIN'T FREEDOM IS IT STRIDER 'MERICA HOORAH MARINES oh actually scrap that they have a more free press too, I guess they are just better than your country at everything add to that the democracy index, which scandanavia is also doing better in. you're not so good at the whole land of the free thing are you[/QUOTE] America is very different than what I want it to be. I am no defender of my country as it is today, I am a liberal and I want it to change. I have never and will never proclaim myself to be an irrational and dogmatic defender of my country. I support what it does right and try to change what is wrong. In this one post you have made yourself out to be more ignorant than anyone else in this thread. [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28448238]You wouldnt call a country a success even though it has far less rape,murder, suicide rates and higher intelligence, life expectancy, happiness and chances of a female going all the way on the first date?[/QUOTE] At least get your facts straight, suicide rates are higher in all Scandinavian countries. The United States has around the same national IQ level as all Scandinavian countries, and besides the capitalist haven Hong Kong has the highest projected national IQ in the world. [img]http://www.nordicco.com/Insiders-Scandinavia-Great-Places-to-See-and-Things-to-Do/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/stockholm1.jpg[/img] Stockholm [img]http://static.flickr.com/35/72165966_a9ca0e31bf_b.jpg[/img] New York And yes I do love comparing skylines of major cities, I'm not implying anything here. [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] And I do realize Nordic countries have very small populations.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28434601]Should I live in a clouded veil of uncertainty?[/quote] You technically already do. [quote]I state my opinion so that it can inform and influence others, you can just as easily ignore me.[/QUOTE] I can think of 6000 other conservatives that would better inform and influence me then you.
As I recall suicide rates are highest in japan [editline]5th March 2011[/editline] And strider I might be more likely to be influenced by you if you did not come off as such a douchenozzle.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28444123]I remember when someone posted an opinion article from the Wall Street Journal a few months back and all the socialists took up arms against it and wouldn't rest until the thread was closed. [editline]5th March 2011[/editline] We must have a different definition of success. High cost of living, high taxes, and a relatively low group of affluent businessmen does not work with my definition. The problem is the people who are in favor of the Scandinavian model and the "Socialist Democracy" are those who want everyone to be mediocre with them.[/QUOTE] Scandanavia also has a high amount of lizard sheep people, amirite strider? [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;28450332] And strider I might be more likely to be influenced by you if you did not come off as such a douchenozzle.[/QUOTE] Or a lunatic.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28450330]I can think of 6000 other conservatives that would better inform and influence me then you.[/QUOTE] If you think I'm a conservative you are beyond my help. [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;28450332]As I recall suicide rates are highest in japan[/QUOTE] Higher than the United State was what I intended.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28450385]If you think I'm a conservative you are beyond my help.[/QUOTE] 'beyond your help' thanks Dr, my silly opinions will be the death of me.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28450391]'beyond your help' thanks Dr, my silly opinions will be the death of me.[/QUOTE] I do not fit any definition of conservative American or otherwise. You're ignorant is the problem. [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] The LocalFlavor you've also shown that you are far more willing to attack me personally than the material I present. You've thus far been quite worthless to intellectual discourse.
The material you present, ie defending monopolies, is laughable to say the least. [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] And yes you do, Strider, you do fit the definition of a conservative.
Have I defended monopolies, you really are clueless. And no I don't.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28450466]The material you present, ie defending monopolies, is laughable to say the least. [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] And yes you do, Strider, you do fit the definition of a conservative.[/QUOTE] I'm with Stider on this, you're so wrong its not funny.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28450466]The material you present, ie defending monopolies, is laughable to say the least. [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] And yes you do, Strider, you do fit the definition of a conservative.[/QUOTE] fuck your conservative vs. liberal bullshit, that's fucking brainwashing 101. Saying that you have the "option to choose" when it's really "pick one of the ones we've already picked for you". That isn't any fucking freedom there.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28450089]At least get your facts straight, suicide rates are higher in all Scandinavian countries. The United States has around the same national IQ level as all Scandinavian countries[/quote] Oh Im sorry not suicide rates but everything else.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28451022]Have I defended monopolies, you really are clueless. And no I don't.[/QUOTE] "Monopolies don't exist in a free market and if they do it's for the benefit of the people." [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;28451179]I'm with Stider on this, you're so wrong its not funny.[/QUOTE] Thanks for making a point.
The Nordic Model has statistically been proven to be one of the best economic models being implemented today, how can anyone argue against it? [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;28450089]I am a liberal[/QUOTE] Not economically.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28450089]At least get your facts straight, suicide rates are higher in all Scandinavian countries. [/QUOTE] ok, so scandanavian countries have higher suicide rates [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Self-inflicted_injuries_world_map_-_Death_-_WHO2004.svg"](which cannot be reliably tied to anything except latitude)[/URL] but they still have lower violent crime rates, lower infant mortality rates, and longer life expectancy so... [QUOTE=Strider*;28450089]The United States has around the same national IQ level as all Scandinavian countries, and besides the capitalist haven Hong Kong has the highest projected national IQ in the world. [/QUOTE] so? IQ is meaningless. It's a subjective test based on an incredibly narrow view of human intelligence. institutions are beginning to completely abandon it [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;28451022]Have I defended monopolies, you really are clueless. And no I don't.[/QUOTE] no you have most definitely defended monopolies before, saying something with the gist of "if they are created through legal, free-market means, they are perfectly fine" [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] then again you've said a lot of really naive or objectionable stuff so me holding you against one little thing like it's gonna tear you down is pretty silly on my part [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] i'm gonna get out of here before strider gets back into his CAPITALIST UBERMENSCH MODE and accuses me, the sniveling collectivist of "HATING INDIVIDUALITY" (another direct quote) i suggest all've'y'all do the same, because you're all arguing with a capitalist brick wall whose logical processes are as impermeable as the free market itself ('cept for all them speculative bubbles and stock market crashes vast oceans of empty housing in florida and whatnot [1]) [1] - but these things aren't the failures of the market, they are the result of over-regulation [2] [2] - because any ideal system of economics only works when it is implemented in it's ideal, platonic form. if even a single government regulation is placed on the function of, say, the stock market, then the stock-market is no longer liable for any of it's failures because it is being interfered with
Strider, please see the UN's education index. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index[/url] [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] Also WB GDP / capita.
[QUOTE=Otsegolation;28451391]fuck your conservative vs. liberal bullshit, that's fucking brainwashing 101. Saying that you have the "option to choose" when it's really "pick one of the ones we've already picked for you". That isn't any fucking freedom there.[/QUOTE] This man actually has a point - I presume you're railing against partisan-style political definitions which seek to put everyone into little boxes regardless of true beliefs? That shit goes on around here WAY too much.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28452051]ok, so scandanavian countries have higher suicide rates [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Self-inflicted_injuries_world_map_-_Death_-_WHO2004.svg"](which cannot be reliably tied to anything except latitude)[/URL] but they still have lower violent crime rates, lower infant mortality rates, and longer life expectancy so... so? IQ is meaningless. It's a subjective test based on an incredibly narrow view of human intelligence. institutions are beginning to completely abandon it[/quote] I'm not the one that brought these up, I just showed figures for the sake of argument. I just found it funny how he claimed the Scandinavian countries were superior in these respects when two seconds of research would show they obviously are not.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28453192]I'm not the one that brought these up, I just showed figures for the sake of argument. I just found it funny how he claimed the Scandinavian countries were superior in these respects when two seconds of research would show they obviously are not.[/QUOTE] Uhm, they are. Your definition of superior and mine are clearly different. Though, you believe you're objectively right so honestly, I'm laughing my way to the bank with this one. One day, you'll realize how implausible and impossible the idea of objectivity is. Probably on your death bed.
Strider I am confused as to what your arguing points against the Nordic Model are.
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