Egyptian Revolution Was Against Neoliberalism- The Best Opinion Piece I've Seen In A While
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28488159]Art to her was Hank Rearden making steel, art is anything one does well to her, so yes, she fucking did, you ignorant twat.[/QUOTE]
You're confusing art with purpose.
Purpose is a moral obligation, Hank Rearden's purpose was making steel and Ayn Rand's purpose was writing.
[QUOTE=RinVII;28488164]Fellow scholar of Ayn Rand popping in.
It is extremely hard to believe that any of you have read Atlas Shrugged bar (maybe) Strider.[/QUOTE]
"no none of your are correct, i am the most correct"
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488174]You're confusing art with purpose.
Purpose is a moral obligation, Hank Rearden's purpose was making steel and Ayn Rand's purpose was writing.[/QUOTE]
>.<.
Those are practically the same thing.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488169]yeah fyi the fountainhead was about art[/QUOTE]
Um excuse me what the fuck are you saying?
The Fountainhead's theme was individuality and selfishness.
[QUOTE=RinVII;28488164]Fellow scholar of Ayn Rand popping in.
It is extremely hard to believe that any of you have read Atlas Shrugged bar (maybe) Strider.[/QUOTE]
In the few posts I've seen of yours, you've said little of value, I see no reason to listen to you here.
Do I have to grab my copy of the book and take a fucking photo of it? Hell, i'll grab fountain head too.
No such thing as an interpretation in these here parts.
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[QUOTE=RinVII;28488189]Um excuse me what the fuck are you saying?
The Fountainhead's theme was individuality and selfishness.[/QUOTE]
[quote]No such thing as an interpretation in these here parts.[/quote]
[QUOTE=RinVII;28488189]Um excuse me what the fuck are you saying?
The Fountainhead's theme was individuality and selfishness.[/QUOTE]
Art played a small part in the essence that Roark wouldn't sacrifice his personal vision of architecture to the whims of society.
[editline]8th March 2011[/editline]
You do realize thisispain that Atlas Shrugged has a concrete theme.
It isn't some abstract work ready to be interpreted in every which direction.
To say that Atlas Shrugged is not about capitalism is like saying that the Grapes of Wrath wasn't about the great depression.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488200]
It isn't some abstract work ready to be interpreted in every which direction.[/QUOTE]
all work can be interpreted in every which direction
that's the meaning of interpretation
[QUOTE=thisispain;28487797]whatever everyone just ignore my posts
though who's the one who studied marxism and capitalism in a college, *points at self*[/QUOTE]
Bringing this one back up just for kicks.
Aww no one will listen to me so I'll pretend I have an understanding of a philosophy I fundamentally disagree with.
i don't know how you can say art isn't the singular most important thing in ayn rand's works
she believed creativity was the greatest virtue one could have
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28488123]I've read Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead, I've yet to have the stomach to read her essays.[/QUOTE]
It's difficult to read, to say the least.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488230]all work can be interpreted in every which direction
that's the meaning of interpretation[/QUOTE]
Okay I interpret the first amendment as giving rational justification for the implementation of Sharia law in the year 2045.
Sure you can do it but you make an ass of yourself kind of like how you're doing now.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488244]Bringing this one back up just for kicks.
Aww no one will listen to me so I'll pretend I have an understanding of a philosophy I fundamentally disagree with.[/QUOTE]
first of all it's called tongue in cheek, second of all what i agree or disagree with doesn't matter
how can one even begin to consider himself well read if he doesn't know what agrees and what disagrees with him
have you even read marx's books? or did you read some person's interpretation of it
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488200]Art played a small part in the essence that Roark wouldn't sacrifice his personal vision of architecture to the whims of society.
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You do realize thisispain that Atlas Shrugged has a concrete theme.
It isn't some abstract work ready to be interpreted in every which direction.
To say that Atlas Shrugged is not about capitalism is like saying that the Grapes of Wrath wasn't about the great depression.[/QUOTE]
Why do some artists get to determine their art and others do not? All art is subjective and this is not up for discussion, if it wasn't, then nothing artistic would work.
Also, as much as I love her as a writer, God damn she is terrible, no wonder you view things as you do. She sets everything up to be perfect circumstances and perfect "lighting" for her characters and the things she likes. She takes in no account of anything that pertains to reality outside her vision, just does as she pleases. I mean, this is fine for writing, but you can't act like her philosophies are rationally based when she ignores whatever she doesn't like to make her points(like you).
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488255]Okay I interpret the first amendment as giving rational justification for the implementation of Sharia law in the year 2045.
Sure you can do it but you make an ass of yourself kind of like how you're doing now.[/QUOTE]
Being a shithead, you still don't make sense. How would freedom of speech justify sharia law?
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488255]Okay I interpret the first amendment as giving rational justification for the implementation of Sharia law in the year 2045.
Sure you can do it but you make an ass of yourself kind of like how you're doing now.[/QUOTE]
intentional fallacy. first of all the first amendment isn't a book, second of all that doesn't even check out though what i am saying totally checks out
i mean i have her books right in front of me, coffee stains and all
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28488267]Being a shithead, you still don't make sense. How would freedom of speech justify sharia law?[/QUOTE]
He just made the mistake of saying art and legal writings are the same.
i don't even know how you can criticize me for interpreting things when you wildly go around sayings things on fp that were totally written way after she was dead
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488246]i don't know how you can say art isn't the singular most important thing in ayn rand's works
she believed creativity was the greatest virtue one could have[/QUOTE]
She believed creativity was very important but not ones greatest virtue.
Also creativity exists outside of art.
Art denotes a recreation of reality to exhibit a feeling.
"My morality, the morality of reason, is contained in a single axiom: existence exists—and in a single choice: to live. The rest proceeds from these. To live, man must hold three things as the supreme and ruling values of his life: Reason—Purpose—Self-esteem. Reason, as his only tool of knowledge—Purpose, as his choice of the happiness which that tool must proceed to achieve—Self-esteem, as his inviolate certainty that his mind is competent to think and his person is worthy of happiness, which means: is worthy of living. These three values imply and require all of man’s virtues, and all his virtues pertain to the relation of existence and consciousness: rationality, independence, integrity, honesty, justice, productiveness, pride."
none of it matters anyway because my key point is that saying capitalism is a moral standard while quoting ayn rand is such a rash and obscure thing that it's impossible to understand
the important part is the rationality and reasoning for why creativity shouldn't be restrained, not the free economy bit, and you wanna start rationalizing that with ayn rand?
no way not gonna happen
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28488267]Being a shithead, you still don't make sense. How would freedom of speech justify sharia law?[/QUOTE]
How would Atlas Shrugged a novel about the moral justification for laissez-faire capitalism be not about capitalism?
I'm showing how ridiculous his comments are.
He egged me on because he believed Ayn Rand would disagree with me about capitalism being a moral standard low and behold:
"If you want to save capitalism, there is only one type of argument that you should adopt, the only one that has ever won in any moral issue: the argument from self-esteem. Check your premises, convince yourself of the rightness of your cause, and then fight for capitalism with full, moral certainty."
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488288]
"My morality, the morality of reason, is contained in a single axiom: existence exists—and in a single choice: to live. The rest proceeds from these. To live, man must hold three things as the supreme and ruling values of his life: Reason—Purpose—Self-esteem. Reason, as his only tool of knowledge—Purpose, as his choice of the happiness which that tool must proceed to achieve—Self-esteem, as his inviolate certainty that his mind is competent to think and his person is worthy of happiness, which means: is worthy of living. These three values imply and require all of man’s virtues, and all his virtues pertain to the relation of existence and consciousness: rationality, independence, integrity, honesty, justice, productiveness, pride."[/QUOTE]
where does this quote come from do you even know?
btw, Grapes of Wrath was set in the great depression, but it wasn't about it.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;28488304]none of it matters anyway because my key point is that saying capitalism is a moral standard while quoting ayn rand is such a rash and obscure thing that it's impossible to understand[/QUOTE]
She has exhorted many times that laissez-faire capitalism is the only economic system so far discovered by man in line with her philosophy.
It is a standard which must be met for full moral completion.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488319]How would Atlas Shrugged a novel about the moral justification for laissez-faire capitalism [/QUOTE]
i absolutely disagree with that statement
atlas shrugged was certainly an exploration about rationality and ethics
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488320]where does this quote come from do you even know?[/QUOTE]
One of her essays.
[editline]8th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488335]i absolutely disagree with that statement
atlas shrugged was certainly an exploration about rationality and ethics[/QUOTE]
Yes and how capitalism is a necessary condition for her ethics.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488340]One of her essays.
[/QUOTE]
wrong, it's part of the hilariously long speech john galt makes in atlas shrugged
Thisispain I hope I've aided your comprehension of her work because it was in a decrepit condition when you started this conversation.
If you'd like if you're solely interested in her philosophy I'll suggest some of her writings to start out on so you don't have to pretend you comprehend her work next time.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488340]
Yes and how capitalism is a necessary condition for her ethics.[/QUOTE]
not really her ethics applied to the self, not to the state
the big mistake people make is that ayn rand was trying to make a book about the state, no no no
it's about the individual, not the state
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488376]wrong, it's part of the hilariously long speech john galt makes in atlas shrugged[/QUOTE]
Actually it's not I could probably recite from the top of my head the majority of his speech.
Your claims of being familiar with her work are so asinine.
[url]http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_ayn_rand_an_answer_for_businessmen[/url]
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[QUOTE=thisispain;28488396]not really her ethics applied to the self, not to the state
the big mistake people make is that ayn rand was trying to make a book about the state, no no no
it's about the individual, not the state[/QUOTE]
Just stop.. seriously.
You aren't fooling anyone.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488381]Thisispain I hope I've aided your comprehension of her work because it was in a decrepit condition when you started this conversation.
If you'd like if you're solely interested in her philosophy I'll suggest some of her writings to start out on so you don't have to pretend you comprehend her work next time.[/QUOTE]
oh wow you just had to be even more of a tit about it
i don't want your suggestions, i completely disagree with your interpretations (hah your), and your comprehension of her work stops at wikipedia
i'm so glad we didn't have a discussion about marx, what a bloody joke
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