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[QUOTE=Strider*;28488584]Why would I?[/QUOTE] The fact you don't read arguments you get into just kind of supports my whole theory on you not knowing anything because you don't pay attention to read, comprehend, think, then reply. You don't learn, you've kind of just sponged information and what's stuck has irrationally stuck due to self deception and arrogance.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488592]I thought you were referring to the capitalism quote. I didn't even read your post except for "where does this quote come from".[/QUOTE] that's the problem you don't read any of my posts you don't even know what i'm really arguing about
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28488594]Why are you such a pompous douche bag?[/QUOTE] It comes from ego.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488607]It comes from ego.[/QUOTE] And ego is the ability to self deceive and ignore criticism. This is not a good thing past a certain point for fucks sakes. Complete self certainty leads to horrible horrible things.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488600]I'd still like you to explain this.[/QUOTE] [quote]ayn rand's moral system was about applying objective reasoning and value to moral and ethical standards. it's a rejection of nihilism and subjective value which is basically what marx argued for her entire moral system relies on the idea that a mind should not be forced to do anything. she didn't think that a mixed economy was bad, but she believed they would lead to statism, where the artist and the sculptor (note the usage of russian marxist imagery) would be forced and coerced.[/quote] i didn't see any rejection of this, i said this and you went on about how i didn't actually read it or whatever
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28488593]She says quite clearly self deception and affirmation is the way to be certain of things. She basically confirms radicalness in her own speal.[/QUOTE] Something I heard about Ayn Rand's rationalisation, not mine and I haven't read any of her stuff. Human beings are capable of rational thought, meaning all out thoughts must be rational. I am a human being so all my thoughts must be rational. Everyone who disagrees with me is just trying to bring me down. Very well relates to this "self-confidence" thing, it's horribly egotistical.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28488603]The fact you don't read arguments you get into just kind of supports my whole theory on you not knowing anything because you don't pay attention to read, comprehend, think, then reply. You don't learn, you've kind of just sponged information and what's stuck has irrationally stuck due to self deception and arrogance.[/QUOTE] I read what he said which was "where does this quote come from?". I had posted two quotes so I thought he was referring to the one I had just posted because that would make the most sense in my head and I didn't realize until now. It has nothing to do with arrogance or self deception. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;28488615]i didn't see any rejection of this, i said this and you went on about how i didn't actually read it or whatever[/QUOTE] I disagree with the mixed economy comment it goes against her moral standards. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] The rest is true though.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488607]It comes from ego.[/QUOTE] of which yours is a massive and eclipsing stellar object dwarfing that of even the most smug solipsist
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488615]i didn't see any rejection of this, i said this and you went on about how i didn't actually read it or whatever[/QUOTE] You said that capitalism has nothing to do with Atlas Shrugged that was what I was irked about.
So lets get this straight Strider* You: 1. Think monopolies are a good thing 2. Believe in an objective truth 3. Believe that self confrimation to the point of complete conviction is a good tihng 4. Fail at reading arguments 5. Can't be arsed to reply with anything but quips and ignoring the actual point of any discussion. Seems like we have a logical conundrum here. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;28488635]You said that capitalism has nothing to do with Atlas Shrugged that was what I was irked about.[/QUOTE] No, he said it isn't about capitalism, not that it had nothing to do with it. [b]stop putting your words in other peoples fucking mouths and then arguing about it.[/b]
You know, I have a quote of my own from my own favorite author(who by the way makes ayn rand look like a slash fic writer on deviantart). "Stupid people can be outwitted, and arrogant people can be forgiven, but stupid arrogant people are impossible."
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488635]You said that capitalism has nothing to do with Atlas Shrugged that was what I was irked about.[/QUOTE] it doesn't. the connection with capitalism was drawn after conservatives claimed it was. something she ardently hated! my entire point and you utterly fail to grasp it, is that you are connecting things with each other while claiming it's fucking ayn rand's, while it isn't ayn rand's at all, and it isn't yours at all objectivism isn't about capitalism. it's about reason and humanity's connection to art. probably the biggest most disrespectful thing to any person striving for art is treating it like a political manifesto. it's not, stop claiming it is.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28488653]You know, I have a quote of my own from my own favorite author(who by the way makes ayn rand look like a slash fic writer on deviantart). "Stupid people can be outwitted, and arrogant people can be forgiven, but stupid arrogant people are impossible."[/QUOTE] Hey that quote kind of describes everyone that disagrees with me.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488660]Hey that quote kind of describes everyone that disagrees with me.[/QUOTE] [img]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1369/741500825_4d67ba34a1.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488660]Hey that quote kind of describes everyone that disagrees with me.[/QUOTE] It describes you too. How many times have you misread? How many times have you not posted to relveance? how many times you have subjected your reality for anyone elses? How many times have you simply not given real answers and said "if you don't get it, I can't explain it to you"? SERIOUSLY, we answer so much of your shit and of the shotgun of points we make at you, you reply to maybe a few of them.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488657]objectivism isn't about capitalism. it's about reason and humanity's connection to art. probably the biggest most disrespectful thing to any person striving for art is treating it like a political manifesto. it's not, stop claiming it is.[/QUOTE] The following is a short description of Objectivism given by Ayn Rand in 1962. by Ayn Rand "At a sales conference at Random House, preceding the publication of Atlas Shrugged, one of the book salesmen asked me whether I could present the essence of my philosophy while standing on one foot. I did as follows: 1. Metaphysics Objective Reality 2. Epistemology Reason 3. Ethics Self-interest 4. Politics Capitalism If you want this translated into simple language, it would read: 1. “Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed” or “Wishing won’t make it so.” 2. “You can’t eat your cake and have it, too.” 3. “Man is an end in himself.” 4. “Give me liberty or give me death.” If you held these concepts with total consistency, as the base of your convictions, you would have a full philosophical system to guide the course of your life. But to hold them with total consistency—to understand, to define, to prove and to apply them—requires volumes of thought. Which is why philosophy cannot be discussed while standing on one foot—nor while standing on two feet on both sides of every fence. This last is the predominant philosophical position today, particularly in the field of politics. My philosophy, Objectivism, holds that: 1. Reality exists as an objective absolute—facts are facts, independent of man’s feelings, wishes, hopes or fears. 2. Reason (the faculty which identifies and integrates the material provided by man’s senses) is man’s only means of perceiving reality, his only source of knowledge, his only guide to action, and his basic means of survival. 3. Man—every man—is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others. He must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life. 4. The ideal political-economic system is laissez-faire capitalism. It is a system where men deal with one another, not as victims and executioners, nor as masters and slaves, but as traders, by free, voluntary exchange to mutual benefit. It is a system where no man may obtain any values from others by resorting to physical force, and no man may initiate the use of physical force against others. The government acts only as a policeman that protects man’s rights; it uses physical force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use, such as criminals or foreign invaders. In a system of full capitalism, there should be (but, historically, has not yet been) a complete separation of state and economics, in the same way and for the same reasons as the separation of state and church." Okay man whatever you say I didn't just discredit almost everything you said except the reason comment. Source:[url]http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_intro[/url] Now kindly sit down.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28488679]It describes you too. How many times have you misread? How many times have you not posted to relveance? how many times you have subjected your reality for anyone elses? How many times have you simply not given real answers and said "if you don't get it, I can't explain it to you"? SERIOUSLY, we answer so much of your shit and of the shotgun of points we make at you, you reply to maybe a few of them.[/QUOTE] i like how he was winging about how mad you were getting before, and how now he's having himself a little cry
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28488679]It describes you too. How many times have you misread? How many times have you not posted to relveance? how many times you have subjected your reality for anyone elses? How many times have you simply not given real answers and said "if you don't get it, I can't explain it to you"? SERIOUSLY, we answer so much of your shit and of the shotgun of points we make at you, you reply to maybe a few of them.[/QUOTE] You realize there is about ten of you that are arguing against me and all you have to keep up with is typically me? When a conversation moves its very hard to respond to every single comment and still stay relevant I apologize. Also that comment was satirical.
[b]1. Metaphysics Objective Reality[/b] This is the problem...
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28488699]i like how he was winging about how mad you were getting before, and how now he's having himself a little cry[/QUOTE] I'm balling my head off.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488695]The following is a short description of Objectivism given by Ayn Rand in 1962. by Ayn Rand "At a sales conference at Random House, preceding the publication of Atlas Shrugged, one of the book salesmen asked me whether I could present the essence of my philosophy while standing on one foot. I did as follows: 1. Metaphysics Objective Reality 2. Epistemology Reason 3. Ethics Self-interest 4. Politics Capitalism If you want this translated into simple language, it would read: 1. “Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed” or “Wishing won’t make it so.” 2. “You can’t eat your cake and have it, too.” 3. “Man is an end in himself.” 4. “Give me liberty or give me death.” If you held these concepts with total consistency, as the base of your convictions, you would have a full philosophical system to guide the course of your life. But to hold them with total consistency—to understand, to define, to prove and to apply them—requires volumes of thought. Which is why philosophy cannot be discussed while standing on one foot—nor while standing on two feet on both sides of every fence. This last is the predominant philosophical position today, particularly in the field of politics. My philosophy, Objectivism, holds that: 1. Reality exists as an objective absolute—facts are facts, independent of man’s feelings, wishes, hopes or fears. 2. Reason (the faculty which identifies and integrates the material provided by man’s senses) is man’s only means of perceiving reality, his only source of knowledge, his only guide to action, and his basic means of survival. 3. Man—every man—is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others. He must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life. 4. The ideal political-economic system is laissez-faire capitalism. It is a system where men deal with one another, not as victims and executioners, nor as masters and slaves, but as traders, by free, voluntary exchange to mutual benefit. It is a system where no man may obtain any values from others by resorting to physical force, and no man may initiate the use of physical force against others. The government acts only as a policeman that protects man’s rights; it uses physical force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use, such as criminals or foreign invaders. In a system of full capitalism, there should be (but, historically, has not yet been) a complete separation of state and economics, in the same way and for the same reasons as the separation of state and church." Okay man whatever you say I didn't just discredit almost everything you said except the reason comment. Source:[url]http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_intro[/url] Now kindly sit down.[/QUOTE] so you are telling me reading that, you still maintain objectivism is about capitalism and nothing else?
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488708]I'm balling my head off.[/QUOTE] and its quite funny, just so you know continue "explaining" how people "just don't get it" and how the world works according to the pixies in your head
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28488707][b]1. Metaphysics Objective Reality[/b] This is the problem...[/QUOTE] The point is that capitalism is very integral to objectivism. This should end the discussion and (hopefully) wake up thisispain to the fact that he hasn't read up on it enough.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488706]You realize there is about ten of you that are arguing against me and all you have to keep up with is typically me? When a conversation moves its very hard to respond to every single comment and still stay relevant I apologize. Also that comment was satirical.[/QUOTE] you realize that you wouldn't have so many people after your ass in the first place if you just answered people when they said something to you the first time right
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488719] This should end the discussion and (hopefully) wake up thisispain to the fact that he hasn't read up on it enough.[/QUOTE] while i'm actually trying to have a discussion regarding interpretation, all you are doing is insulting me and quoting a website
[QUOTE=thisispain;28488716]so you are telling me reading that, you still maintain objectivism is about capitalism and nothing else?[/QUOTE] I never claimed that. Quote me on it, capitalism is a moral standard for objectivism is what I've said. You were almost claiming as if objectivism has NOTHING to do with capitalism by which you are wrong. Also hrmm do I see anything about art in this description, nope. You've lost all credibility on this topic. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;28488737]while i'm actually trying to have a discussion regarding interpretation, all you are doing is insulting me and quoting a website[/QUOTE] That is a direct description of her philosophy from herself. You can't magically interpret now that capitalism is not important to objectivism.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488719]The point is that capitalism is very integral to objectivism. This should end the discussion and (hopefully) wake up thisispain to the fact that he hasn't read up on it enough.[/QUOTE] I'm going to try and explain something for the last time hopefully... Nothing. is. objective. The key view point of a philosophy being "Tell yourself your moral convictions are unbreakable and to adhere to this..." etc is pretty, well, down right arrogant and basically shows me a religious conviction to "stick to your guns". I hate that. I don't stick to my guns, I fucking jump, squirly, from one idea to the next based on every new tidbit I find because holy shit, it's cool to look at things from new perspectives.
[QUOTE=Strider*;28488738]I never claimed that. Quote me on it, capitalism is the moral standard for objectivism is what I've said. You were almost claiming as if objectivism has NOTHING to do with capitalism by which you are wrong. Also hrmm do I see anything about art in this description, nope. You've lost all credibility on this topic.[/QUOTE] he's the one who's lost his credibility strider knows the score
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28488754]he's the one who's lost his credibility strider knows the score[/QUOTE] 1-0 baby.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28488750]I'm going to try and explain something for the last time hopefully... Nothing. is. objective. The key view point of a philosophy being "Tell yourself your moral convictions are unbreakable and to adhere to this..." etc is pretty, well, down right arrogant and basically shows me a religious conviction to "stick to your guns". I hate that. I don't stick to my guns, I fucking jump, squirly, from one idea to the next based on every new tidbit I find because holy shit, it's cool to look at things from new perspectives.[/QUOTE] Obviously being convinced that you're right 100 percent of the time works perfectly. I mean just look at Strider, he hasn't been proven wrong even one time.
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