Conservative Party Manifesto Launched - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52257334]£35 is a weeks worth of food.[/QUOTE] I was about to say, That's more than my partner and I have to spend on food each week.

[QUOTE=Grizz;52256948]From the Sunday papers and polls ([I]I know, I know...[/I]), it's looking like this manifesto has somewhat bombed - particularly on social care.[/QUOTE] Oh look - [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40001221]a u-turn...[/url] and now May is getting fucking hammered from all sides at the announcement. [QUOTE]Q: [From the BBC’s Tory Mouthpiece Laura Kuennsberg] You say Corbyn is indecisive. But you have announced a major change to your manifesto. [B]That is not strong and stable, is it.[/B] And where will the cap be imposed?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Q: Isn’t this [B]a manifesto of chaos[/B] now? What else will you qualify in the next few days? And what message does it send out to EU leaders, that you are prepared to budge?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Q: You have [B]buckled under pressure.[/B] Isn’t this just an attempt to save votes?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Q: [From Channel 4 News’ Michael Crick] I don’t recall another election manifesto U-turn. [B]The lady is for turning. Doesn’t this show you are wobbly.[/B] What will the cap be? £100,000, £200,000, £500,000?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]At the Labour launch Jeremy Corbyn welcomes the U-turn. He says that if George Osborne is now doing something useful with his life, that is to be welcomed.[/QUOTE] This all comes less than 24 hours since Damian Green insisted it wasn't going to change and on the same day as her Leaders Interview with Andrew Neil. [B]Glorious.[/B]

[quote]At the Labour launch Jeremy Corbyn welcomes the U-turn. [B]He says that if George Osborne is now doing something useful with his life, that is to be welcomed.[/B][/quote] [I]Fuck me[/I] somebody hold this man back.

[QUOTE=Grizz;52260454] This all comes less than 24 hours since Damian Green insisted it wasn't going to change and on the same day as her Leaders Interview with Andrew Neil. [B]Glorious.[/B][/QUOTE] that same interview also had them unable to produce the actual figures for the policies they're proposing, something they criticised the Labour manifesto for (which is actually a lot better costed) this definitely shows a lack of communication within the Tory party, and seriously damages their "strong and stable" rhetoric let's hope this is enough to make some people reconsider voting blue

The Tories are basically the Republicans when it comes to this sort of thing, If they ever criticise anyone of wrong-doing or weakness, it's a safe bet they are guilty of something very similar- and likely did something far worse anyway.

[QUOTE]Exit the European single market and customs union but seek a "deep and special partnership" including comprehensive free trade and customs agreement [/QUOTE] What. Like what the fuck. Where's the logic in this...

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;52261000]What. Like what the fuck. Where's the logic in this...[/QUOTE] remember that leaked brexit plan which said "have cake + eat it" this is their negotiation plan

[QUOTE=Grizz;52260454]Oh look - [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40001221]a u-turn...[/url] and now May is getting fucking hammered from all sides at the announcement. This all comes less than 24 hours since Damian Green insisted it wasn't going to change and on the same day as her Leaders Interview with Andrew Neil. [B]Glorious.[/B][/QUOTE] sadly it's not even really a U-turn just "we're still doing the policy, but there's going to be a cap which we haven't announced and probably never will" [editline]22nd May 2017[/editline] also [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-poll-wales-general-election-2017-16-point-shift-swing-a7749786.html]labour just pulled ahead BIG TIME in Wales[/url] im starting to get my hopes up which is probably a stupid idea [quote]The poll would see Labour hold all its seats in Wales and take one off the Conservatives, Gower, the most marginal seat in the country.[/quote] we need the tories to lose 6 seats to lose their majority has everyone registered to vote? [editline]22nd May 2017[/editline] also [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-2017-labour-voting-share-tony-blair-2005-win-polls-majority-jeremy-corbyn-party-leader-a7748566.html]this is important[/url] [quote]Election 2017: Labour on similar voting share to Tony Blair's in 2005 election win[/quote] but then Blair still had a lot of the press on his side at this point, and they're going to go in hard against Corbyn in the next few weeks

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;52261060]sadly it's not even really a U-turn[/QUOTE] Now that's it's being run with, even from pro-Tory voices, it matters little. Even the Daily Mail has gone with "desperate U-turn." May going on stage and shouting "[I]it's not a change, it's not a change[/I]" is all that was required - because that's a bit of a fib.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;52261060]sadly it's not even really a U-turn just "we're still doing the policy, but there's going to be a cap which we haven't announced and probably never will" [editline]22nd May 2017[/editline] also [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-poll-wales-general-election-2017-16-point-shift-swing-a7749786.html]labour just pulled ahead BIG TIME in Wales[/url] im starting to get my hopes up which is probably a stupid idea we need the tories to lose 6 seats to lose their majority has everyone registered to vote? [editline]22nd May 2017[/editline] also [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-2017-labour-voting-share-tony-blair-2005-win-polls-majority-jeremy-corbyn-party-leader-a7748566.html]this is important[/url] but then Blair still had a lot of the press on his side at this point, and they're going to go in hard against Corbyn in the next few weeks[/QUOTE] gonna post that news as an actual thread because it's pretty huge

Andrew Neil going well already.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;52245132]It's actually quite useful in none calculator situations to know your basic times tables, makes the whole process of doing multiplication a lot quicker if you can break multiplication sums down into bits and work it out using basic times tables so there's no real reason to be against it.[/QUOTE] "no calculator situations" dude your phone has a fucking calculator. It's not even like doing simple multiplication is often very time sensitive either, if you [i]somehow[/i] end up without your phone on hand you'll probably be fine doing the math. And you'll waste way less time this way than you would memorizing the damn things to begin with, which you're for that matter likely to forget in your later years anyway. Not to even get into how this approach encourages you to just memorize a pattern instead of actually learning the fundamental concepts.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52244818]There's some stupid shit in here (and other shit I don't understand due to not being British obviously) but this is SO FUCKING STUPID AND BACKWARDS IT PISSES ME OFF. NOBODY IN THE MODERN FUCKING WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW THEIR TIME TABLES! NO ONE! This sort of backwards teaching is why British education is going down the shitter. While this is clearly not a huge pledge it's indicative of a feel-good, idiotic view of education that will get nothing done. God DAMN reading something so STUPID legitimately pisses me off.[/QUOTE] I can't believe that there are people pissing on the concept of knowing math just because a torry promoted it.

[QUOTE=Thlis;52261878]I can't believe that there are people pissing on the concept of knowing math just because a torry promoted it.[/QUOTE] I think it's more because the "concept of knowing math" has been bizarrely tossed in the middle of a political manifesto. There are serious issues facing the UK right now, and they think kids knowing their tables [i] off by heart [/i] is more important than kids having something to eat? It's all pandering, no substance. They just look out of touch.

[QUOTE=Thlis;52261878]I can't believe that there are people pissing on the concept of knowing math just because a torry promoted it.[/QUOTE] That's totally what I was saying and not: [quote]While this is clearly not a huge pledge it's indicative of a feel-good, idiotic view of education that will get nothing done.[/quote] Or the fact it's a focus on the completely wrong issue.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52261952]That's totally what I was saying and not: Or the fact it's a focus on the completely wrong issue.[/QUOTE] [quote]NOBODY IN THE MODERN FUCKING WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW THEIR TIME TABLES! NO ONE![/quote] [quote]This sort of backwards teaching is why British education is going down the shitter.[/quote]

[QUOTE=elowin;52261862]"no calculator situations" dude your phone has a fucking calculator. It's not even like doing simple multiplication is often very time sensitive either, if you [i]somehow[/i] end up without your phone on hand you'll probably be fine doing the math. And you'll waste way less time this way than you would memorizing the damn things to begin with, which you're for that matter likely to forget in your later years anyway. Not to even get into how this approach encourages you to just memorize a pattern instead of actually learning the fundamental concepts.[/QUOTE] The problem with maths is that everything builds. Knowing your times tables and number bonds or whatever you want to call them makes learning algebra a lot easier because you only focus on the new stuff - the arithmetic comes easy. Then the algebra is easy and calculus steps in etc etc. That said there have got to be better ways of teaching it than just wrote learning. It works, but it puts people off. It's good to see labour actually doing well, I really hope the Tories lose their majority as penance for being cocky.

[QUOTE=Thlis;52262506][/QUOTE] This is basically down to the fact that these guys are so biased they can't see the trees through the woods. Any and every single thing the tories do is wrong to a point of tedium. Mathematically though they will get more votes on June the 8th and nobody will need a calculator to check this.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265148]This is basically down to the fact that these guys are so biased they can't see the trees through the woods. Any and every single thing the tories do is wrong to a point of tedium. [/QUOTE] Yeah because someone can't take issue with a party pledging to [i]take food out of the mouths of children[/i] while offering bogus feelgood education policies, without being "biased". I don't think Ive ever seen a post from you that isn't an attempt at a zinger that falls hard on it's face, or just asinine generalisation of your political opponents. Are you actually capable of debate?

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52265346]Yeah because someone can't take issue with a party pledging to [i]take food out of the mouths of children[/i] while offering bogus feelgood education policies, without being "biased". I don't think Ive ever seen a post from you that isn't an attempt at a zinger that falls hard on it's face, or just asinine generalisation of your political opponents. Are you actually capable of debate?[/QUOTE] Debate, lol. These type of threads are just an echo chamber of gloom and doom followed by flaming or insulting of whoever disagrees. No different to the Brexit threads. General opinion: Brexit voters are fucking idiots, Tory voters are fucking idiots. You really can't [B]debate[/B] with people who have this attitude, it's futile. I don't think i have seen a response from you that isn't insulting or a snipe.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52265346]Yeah because someone can't take issue with a party pledging to [i]take food out of the mouths of children[/i] while offering bogus feelgood education policies, without being "biased".[/QUOTE] I think it's more the complete lack of perspective, with which political issues are approached. Like the example you use there completely skews the debate by saying "Well if you vote Tory, you must hate people" instead of actually taking into account the other things the government has promised to do such as maintaining foreign aid spending for example.

[QUOTE=The mouse;52265511]I think it's more the complete lack of perspective, with which political issues are approached. Like the example you use there completely skews the debate by saying "Well if you vote Tory, you must hate people" instead of actually taking into account the other things the government has promised to do such as maintaining foreign aid spending for example.[/QUOTE] it's with no [I][B]bias[/B][/I] at all that he makes this statement "take food out of the mouths of children while offering bogus feelgood education policies."

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265647]it's with no [I][B]bias[/B][/I] at all that he makes this statement "take food out of the mouths of children while offering bogus feelgood education policies."[/QUOTE] Ok, here's the mic. Justify that policy, I'm all ears.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265647]it's with no [I][B]bias[/B][/I] at all that he makes this statement "take food out of the mouths of children while offering bogus feelgood education policies."[/QUOTE] Now that your usual limp zinger is out of the way, You could always try justifying that policy? [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] Fuck, :ninja:

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52265754]Now that your usual limp zinger is out of the way, You could always try justifying that policy? [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] Fuck, :ninja:[/QUOTE] my point being, this is your inaccurate and biased interpretation of the policy not the policy. fyi there will always be policy that doesn't sit well with certain members of the public. the utopian party haven't formed yet.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265774]my point being, this is your inaccurate and biased interpretation of the policy not the policy. fyi there will always be policy that doesn't sit well with certain members of the public. the utopian party haven't formed yet.[/QUOTE] Still waiting.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265774]my point being, this is your inaccurate and biased interpretation of the policy not the policy.[/QUOTE] I said they are taking food from the mouths of children, are you arguing that this is untrue? What is your ~interpretation~ of the policy?