[QUOTE=joes33431;29178692]Socialism = Bad
Capitalism = Equally Bad
Socialism dictates the government holding all the riches and people having all the same thing- generally poverty.
Capitalism dictates the corporate elite holding all the money, while the government gladly comes along. The bottom 90% usually have the same thing- poverty, since all their money was stolen.
We can safely conclude that neither work and we must develop a better-working form of government.
Change is the key word. One of the things that attributes to America's patriotic failure is the fat,
sclerotic laziness of being "NUMBAH WUN!".
See, if you ask most people about Ronald Reagan, they'll say:
"He's a horrible economist, but restored American spirit."
Most people would say the two are a pair of good and bad, but the reality is that they are both a poisonous concoction that has caused the downward spiral the United States is, has been, and will be experiencing for at least another generation.
Know why? We're too fucking content with what we have.
We have had this horrible idea planted in our heads, that the system we have is perfect in the sense it can't get any better, and won't get any worse. Whenever this argument is brought to the debate floor, whoever dare mention changing the "perfectly flawless governmental system that our perfect founding fathers had laid before us when they signed the perfect constitution, perfectly" an anti-american. In reality, the Framers would likely grow sick of a nation which was content with their system written over two centuries ago.
True, we've had constitutional amendments, but we won't get anywhere if we don't realize that the nation needs reform.
Scrap the whole damn thing and start clean. The Framer's work can be used as a baseline, but change in order to adapt to modern environments and economies is essential to keeping countries afloat.
Consider this, Germany was practically bankrupt after WWII. However, instead of sitting on their asses like we have, they got to work and rebuilt their economy. 86% of products created in Germany are exported. The products they could make efficiently were exported and kept. Whichever products they couldn't make efficiently, they would import with the money gained from their exports.
Now, Germany is dubbed "Europe's China", without the impoverished millions in the Chinese workforce.
They recognized their problems, then rebuilt accordingly.[/QUOTE]
I really wish you just wouldn't talk, you really don't know anything...
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29159770]raise
taxes
on
the
rich[/QUOTE]
Gee, that certainly can't have any effect on the poor people who work for or buy goods from the rich.
Oh wait. You didn't study economics before you got the right to vote, did you?
[QUOTE=Jenkem;29178767]Gee, that certainly can't have any effect on the poor people who work for or buy goods from the rich.
Oh wait. You didn't study economics before you got the right to vote, did you?[/QUOTE]
probably not but you didn't either
[QUOTE=Jenkem;29178767]Gee, that certainly can't have any effect on the poor people who work for or buy goods from the rich.
Oh wait. You didn't study economics before you got the right to vote, did you?[/QUOTE]
Gee, that certainly wouldn't work like it did in the 40s-70s. Oh wait.
glabor needs to amputate his head
[QUOTE=Glaber;29160232]Why, there's still time to try to fix the Federal Government's SPENDING Problem. Or are you still trying to apply socialist views on my country?[/QUOTE]
lol you'll say the same thing next decade and the decade after next.
you republicans do know that you guys created the debt right? Spending cuts dont fix the problem, they just alleviate the pressure. the idea is to eliminate/fix the institution that caused to debt in the first place (namely: deregulating of the economy)
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;29179432]you republicans do know that you guys created the debt right? Spending cuts dont fix the problem, they just alleviate the pressure. the idea is to eliminate/fix the institution that caused to debt in the first place (namely: deregulating of the economy)[/QUOTE]
And how would you like the economy regulated?
[QUOTE=Ridge;29179673]And how would you like the economy regulated?[/QUOTE]
intelligently
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29179692]intelligently[/QUOTE]
Give examples
Easiest fix is to remove the loopholes that are allowing corporations like GE pay little or nothing
That's not regulation, that's tax code.
[QUOTE=Ridge;29179912]That's not regulation, that's tax code.[/QUOTE]
That's not a clinically insane person, that's a republican.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29178743]I really wish you just wouldn't talk, you really don't know anything...[/QUOTE]
Tell me how I'm wrong here, then, instead of saying "YOU ARE SO DUMB OH MY GOD".
[QUOTE=Glaber;29177602]I pay taxes, just recently filed them a few days ago too.
And to those who call me a troll. Why haven't you reported me if you do think I am one?
those that do, i hope your proven wrong as I do believe the stuff I post unlike the troll you think I am.[/QUOTE]
So you're naturally insane.
[editline]14th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jenkem;29178767]Gee, that certainly can't have any effect on the poor people who work for or buy goods from the rich.
Oh wait. You didn't study economics before you got the right to vote, did you?[/QUOTE]
Neither did you lol. Jenkem, you're a 15 year old kid from the suburbs who thinks Obama is Kenyan. You can't even fucking vote.
You're Irish. You don't have a functioning government.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29179692]intelligently[/QUOTE]
You need to be more detailed than that.
I recall hearing someone on the news say that it wasn't a revenue problem, it was a spending problem. It's amazing that they think they can cut taxes and not have a problem paying the budget. Needless-to-say, it's both a spending AND a revenue problem. Simply put, many people don't want government programs cut, and yet they don't want a tax increase either. They should raise taxes a little bit, while at the same time cutting unnecessary spending.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;29178767]Gee, that certainly can't have any effect on the poor people who work for or buy goods from the rich.
Oh wait. You didn't study economics before you got the right to vote, did you?[/QUOTE]
Low supply side taxe rates have been tried repeatedly throughout history with terrible results and have always been a very politically motivated (and academically lacking) economic approach. It's frowned upon by the entire Keynesian school of economics, several classicists, multiple Nobel prize winning economists, and the goddamn Congressional Budget Office.
And, in case your rebuttal was the few modern economists who support the process, the good majority of them presented their case for the Bush cuts prior to those cuts- none of their predictions proving valid, hence the CBO dismissing them outright. Your best argument is Russia- which no one educated would take as an analogy in this instance due to their massive corruption and rampant tax dodging. In fact, I would go so far as to say that not a single contemporary and politically independent economist or educator would support the practice or even defend it right now.
I think this deserves a form of congratulations- I have never seen a person prove they have no understanding of a topic they are commenting on in that few words before.
[QUOTE=Ridge;29181105]You're Irish. You don't have a functioning government.[/QUOTE]
Our government doesn't shut down because abortion clinics recive funding nor do they doubt the citizenship of our heads of state.
Nor do they go into unnecessary wars. I think our government, as stupid as our officials are, aren't nearly as bad as the US government.
[editline]15th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;29181243]You need to be more detailed than that.[/QUOTE]
Boba fett, you have industrial, social and economic companies. Thousands of goods and services all with different
How about car factories, regulation damage to the environment, treatment of workers and benefits. Or toy companies, eliminating lead and poison in shit like toys, also dealing with worker benefits. It all varies.
you can't just say 'well this regulation here, here, and here' and be off with it. Regulation is detailed enough - protecting the physical and financial well being of consumers and workers.
[QUOTE=Miskav;29159726]And remove republicans from power to prevent any more of this nonsense.[/QUOTE]
We should remove the opposition party from power to prevent things I dislike from happening.
If this thread has shown me anything, it's that Facepunchers don't want freedom.
You only want a nation that only shares the same views as yours, and bans all others.
[QUOTE=Pantz76;29193872]If this thread has shown me anything, it's that Facepunchers don't want freedom.
You only want a nation that only shares the same views as yours, and bans all others.[/QUOTE]
If this post has shown me anything, it's that Pantz76 doesn't want freedom.
He only wants a forum that has people shit up the place with their bullshit and no one is around to tell them how full of it they are.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;29198500]If this post has shown me anything, it's that Pantz76 doesn't want freedom.
He only wants a forum that has people shit up the place with their bullshit and no one is around to tell them how full of it they are.[/QUOTE]
:golfclap:
Well played sir, well played.
[QUOTE=Pantz76;29193872]If this thread has shown me anything, it's that Facepunchers don't want freedom.
You only want a nation that only shares the same views as yours, and bans all others.[/QUOTE]
Nicely said.
[QUOTE=Ridge;29204517]Nicely said.[/QUOTE]
wow, i think you just sunk to a new level of stupidity, i don't think anyone here advocates anything even remotely equivalent
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29205605]wow, i think you just sunk to a new level of stupidity, i don't think anyone here advocates anything even remotely equivalent[/QUOTE]
Except it's exactly what happens around here. Every other week it's "Ban Republicans" on here. And the conservatives do the same with Democrats.
[QUOTE=Ridge;29207731]Except it's exactly what happens around here. Every other week it's "Ban Republicans" on here. And the conservatives do the same with Democrats.[/QUOTE]
Not seeing it. You must have a hell of a persecution complex.
[editline]16th April 2011[/editline]
Unless you count Strider* and Glaber. They're just idiots who keep coming back for some reason.
Dude, you're such a troll it's not even funny. Do you even work? With your post count, I doubt you are doing anything for a good portion of the day.
Well sorry mister 2,865 posts, I'll let you get back to your ultra important life.
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