Dallas Mayor says he is more scared of white men with guns than he is of Syrian refugees - Polidicks

Odd to say that considering just recently it wasn't a white man that went around killing white cops not too long ago. I get what he is saying but the mass shooting issue lays with piss poor parenting, iresponsible owners and shit healthcare. Especially considering these shootings occur more often in democratic states.

I'm more scared of the Dallas mayor than I am of Syrian refugees or white men with guns.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51440982]This is an astoundingly broad generalization. While it's likely most people won't have an issue with police, some people have historically been treated unfairly. Like, I'm an average white guy and as a teenager a friend and I were cornered and questioned by police because we were walking to a 7-11 near a neighborhood that had a break-in. There was no cause to stop us other than our age and my friend being black. We stood still and acted calm and politely. We still got an air of contempt and the whole 'flashlight right into our eyes' thing. As has already been said (by Tudd of all people) you are seriously misrepresenting the level of violence in Dallas. You are also supposing this man's fears and beliefs based on one statement while downplaying a legitimate problem. Don't get offended because some white people do, in fact, go shoot people.[/QUOTE] It wasn't because your friend was black. It was because you were teenagers around a neighborhood that had a breakin. All my encounters with police suddenly stopped after I stopped doing stupid shit. And yeah it's relatively good but only relative to other us cities.

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;51441022]It wasn't because your friend was black. It was because you were teenagers around a neighborhood that had a breakin. All my encounters with police suddenly stopped after I stopped doing stupid shit. And yeah it's relatively good but only relative to other us cities.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you're arguing anymore? Your original post seemed to be about white people getting the short end, but now you're veering towards black people don't get discriminated against?

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;51441022]It wasn't because your friend was black. It was because you were teenagers around a neighborhood that had a breakin. All my encounters with police suddenly stopped after I stopped doing stupid shit. And yeah it's relatively good but only relative to other us cities.[/QUOTE] I have to deal with cops on a regular basis. Hell, I had an officer grill me about a package I was holding in an elevator not too long ago. The 'don't do nuthin you don't get trouble' mentality ignores that people do get trouble and often for discriminatory reasons. Are you trying to hint that we were doing 'stupid shit' by going to 7-11 to buy some dumb trading cards when there was a break-in nearby? How could we have possibly known and how does that justify stopping us. But on topic: you have to see what the mayor's saying here, right? It would be silly to treat all white people differently because of a few, as you put it, 'isolated incidents'. But apparently that doesn't stop us from doing that to refugees.

[QUOTE=plunger435;51441041]I'm not sure what you're arguing anymore? Your original post seemed to be about white people getting the short end, but now you're veering towards black people don't get discriminated against?[/QUOTE] My point is that it's a stupid comment. "I'm more afraid of group x doing thing y than refugees" Is a stupid way to say "I think we shouldn't discriminate".

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;51441082]My point is that it's a stupid comment. "I'm more afraid of group x doing thing y than refugees" Is a stupid way to say "I think we shouldn't discriminate".[/QUOTE] The current tension in the US is that refugees and immigrants are the cause of the problems. This mayor is simply shedding light that his cities personal problems are local not foreign. What's the problem with that?

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51441047]Are you trying to hint that we were doing 'stupid shit' by going to 7-11 to buy some dumb trading cards when there was a break-in nearby? How could we have possibly known and how does that justify stopping us.[/QUOTE] Because you may match the description of the suspects and you're in the immediate area...?

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;51441082]My point is that it's a stupid comment. "I'm more afraid of group x doing thing y than refugees" Is a stupid way to say "I think we shouldn't discriminate".[/QUOTE] It's called rhetorical appeals

[QUOTE=plunger435;51441100]The current tension in the US is that refugees and immigrants are the cause of the problems. This mayor is simply shedding light that his cities personal problems are local not foreign. What's the problem with that?[/QUOTE] Which goes back to what I was saying before. I find it ridiculous throwing out the "the majority of mass murders are white men!" statistic when there are much more real issues in American cities.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51441108]Because you may match the description of the suspects and you're in the immediate area...?[/QUOTE] While wearing normal clothes with no bags or a vehicle to move stolen shit. If they actually had a description of the suspects they probably wouldn't have wasted so much time. [QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;51441116]Which goes back to what I was saying before. I find it ridiculous throwing out the "the majority of mass murders are white men!" statistic when there are much more real issues in American cities.[/QUOTE] I still don't get why you're so offended by this. You agree with his message that people shouldn't be discriminated against for silly things that are out of their control.

"large gatherings of white men that come into schools, theaters and shoot people up" what the hell is this lol. Yeah I remember all those times that crowds of white men started wildly firing their six-shooters off in a movie theater. That's a normal statement that a municipal political leader made :) I wonder how this mayor feels after the OSU thing today. It's almost like the Muslim World is going through a massive cultural crisis right now and people from there are more likely to be dangerous and violent because of it.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;51440777]Texas is surprisingly liberal, especially if you don't live in a super-rural sub-10k-population town. There were very few outspokenly racist or sexist people at my school. Like you said, it's very much a "live and let live" situation. Caused a hubbub when some parent got pissed that a high school play had a gay kiss on stage, but the faculty (and basically the entire school) defended it. Once you break the 5-figure population limit, you really get past the shitty rural parts of Texas. I had a ton of very conservative friends, but if you didn't bother them, they didn't bother you.[/QUOTE] Growing up here I found me and my peers, especially in the AP and GT classes (Gifted and Talented, Idk if they have it anywhere else but we had it all the way up to senior year in english and math) were all pretty left leaning. I definitely know a good amount of Repubs/ppl that would support Trump though. As for the "outspokenly sexist or racist" stuff the only experience i had with that was with people i knew making racist jokes occasionally but like, my friend group was incredibly racially diverse and still partook in it so it probably had less to do with actual racism and was just teens having a bad sense of humor

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51441254]"large gatherings of white men that come into schools, theaters and shoot people up" what the hell is this lol. Yeah I remember all those times that crowds of white men started wildly firing their six-shooters off in a movie theater. That's a normal statement that a municipal political leader made :) I wonder how this mayor feels after the OSU thing today. It's almost like the Muslim World is going through a massive cultural crisis right now and people from there are more likely to be dangerous and violent because of it.[/QUOTE] Jesus fucking Christ no wonder you support Trump. [url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/]The majority of all mass shootings in the last 30 years have not been caused by muslims, much less arab muslims.[/url] [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619]You are far more likely to fall to domestic terrorism then to foreign terrorism caused by muslims.[/url] There is no reason to fear people of arab descent or even people who are just muslim. Anyone who says otherwise has been completely misinformed.

[QUOTE=TestECull;51439577]Which seems to be the point. My take is he is trying to demonstrate how flawed the fear of mid eastern immigrants is.[/QUOTE] Germany's doing great right now, right?

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51441844]Germany's doing great right now, right?[/QUOTE] I don't understand the point of this post, Germany has been doing just fine since they decided to take in refugees.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51441850]I don't understand the point of this post, Germany has been doing just fine since they decided to take in refugees.[/QUOTE] Ok.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51441850]I don't understand the point of this post, Germany has been doing just fine since they decided to take in refugees.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany[/url] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/world/europe/germany-bans-true-religion-islamist-group-and-raids-mosques.html[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Munich_shooting[/url] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/19/angela-merkel-admits-mistakes-asylum-seekers-election[/url] [url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/06/refugees-germany-pool-rules/89904638/[/url] Just fine is abit of a understatement unless you live under a rock.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51441876][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany[/url] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/world/europe/germany-bans-true-religion-islamist-group-and-raids-mosques.html[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Munich_shooting[/url] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/19/angela-merkel-admits-mistakes-asylum-seekers-election[/url] [url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/06/refugees-germany-pool-rules/89904638/[/url] Just fine is abit of a understatement unless you live under a rock.[/QUOTE] There's been some hiccups here and there, but to say that Germany is now somehow shit now because of that is retarded.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51441890]There's been some hiccups here and there, but to say that Germany is now somehow shit now because of that is retarded.[/QUOTE] I'm sure the victims from rape/murder and citizens who didn't vote for this are assured at the description of "some hiccups." that continues to get more out of hand. I actually think Germany is perfectly great to live in and hope to move there, but to say that Germany is jsut having a "hiccup" that will just subside on the same trajectory is incredible willful ignorance.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51441876][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany[/url] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/world/europe/germany-bans-true-religion-islamist-group-and-raids-mosques.html[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Munich_shooting[/url] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/19/angela-merkel-admits-mistakes-asylum-seekers-election[/url] [url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/06/refugees-germany-pool-rules/89904638/[/url] Just fine is abit of a understatement unless you live under a rock.[/QUOTE] Uh, you do realize the Munich shooter considered himself a white supremacist who had a deep burning hatred for Turks? Also the True Religion shit was started by native German Muslim extremists, not refugees. The rest seem to be very isolated incidents that haven't happened since. Germany is doing fine.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51441804]Jesus fucking Christ no wonder you support Trump. [URL="https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/"]The majority of all mass shootings in the last 30 years have not been caused by muslims, much less arab muslims.[/URL] [URL="http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619"]You are far more likely to fall to domestic terrorism then to foreign terrorism caused by muslims.[/URL] There is no reason to fear people of arab descent or even people who are just muslim. Anyone who says otherwise has been completely misinformed.[/QUOTE] What's the source for that data in the first link? It's blocked on that website for non-members. I ask because "mass shootings" generally includes things like domestic and gang violence, irrelevant cases for this discussion. Also, your second link is from 1980-2005. Of course there are going to be less terrorist attacks from muslims if you look at a time period before the rise of Islamic terrorism in the west. I would be interested in the numbers from 2001-current. Also, many of the links to sources in the second article don't work. So it's impossible to verify many of their claims. [editline]28th November 2016[/editline] Let me clarify that I agree it's silly for the average person to actively worry about being killed by a person of Arab descent, but I think it's equally silly to think that Islamic extremism isn't the single most dangerous source of terrorism at the moment.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51441804]Jesus fucking Christ no wonder you support Trump. [url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/]The majority of all mass shootings in the last 30 years have not been caused by muslims, much less arab muslims.[/url] [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619]You are far more likely to fall to domestic terrorism then to foreign terrorism caused by muslims.[/url] There is no reason to fear people of arab descent or even people who are just muslim. Anyone who says otherwise has been completely misinformed.[/QUOTE] Not even close to understanding my post. The mayor's description of "large gatherings of white men that come into schools, theaters and shoot people up" is ridiculous and laughable. Islamic nationalist extremism is another problem entirely.

As a white person, I'm okay with this. White people be crazy.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51442163]Not even close to understanding my post. The mayor's description of "large gatherings of white men that come into schools, theaters and shoot people up" is ridiculous and laughable. Islamic nationalist extremism is another problem entirely.[/QUOTE] The guy was pointing that there's no reason to be afraid of muslims because it's more likely that a bunch of white men with guns would shoot up a school than that a ISIS member could sneak into the state as a Syrian refugee and cause havok. Essentially, he's saying that [this unlikely event] is much more unlikely than [this other unlikely event]. The example he's using is backed up by the statistics that show that the majority of mass shootings in the last 30 years have not been caused by muslims. A mass shooting is more likely to be committed by a white person than anybody else because they make up the majority of the population. So yea, the example he used makes sense because the supposedly ridiculous example of a bunch of white men shooting up a school is actually much, much more likely than the idea of a terrorist sleeper cell sneaking into texas posing as refugees. [QUOTE=thelurker1234;51440934]These two quotes should have been what tipped you off. Not everything is a progressive conspiracy against whites [QUOTE]we fall into the trap if we become xenophobic and paranoid about people in the Middle East.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] but we don’t isolate young white men on this issue[/QUOTE] Also by the way have you not heard all the talk of black crime and all that shit from politicians, pundits, and history?[/QUOTE] He even made it clear he was being facetious. He was mocking the mindset of fearmongering about muslims by pointing out how an unlikely event of a similiar magnitude committed by a white person was just as likely. [QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;51440920]No he's not. "I'm more afraid of black men who rob and shoot people on the street, but we don't isolate blacks on this issue." It doesn't work when it's not whites being targeted.[/QUOTE] And no it doesn't make sense to switch the race being referred to around (i.e. "switch white with black people and it becomes racist"), since the point he was making is that no race of people is especially more likely to be a mass shooter. He's not saying that white people are especially violent, he's pointing out the opposite. Since white people make up the majority of the population, white people would be more likely to commit the crime if race is not a factor. Switching the race around just changes what he was saying to something he didn't say. [B]The question I would ask of you guys is this: Are you upset about what the mayor of Dallas said because you feel he unfairly criticized white people, or because he claims we shouldn't be afraid of muslims, or both? Which of the two is more upsetting?[/B]

[QUOTE=Zyler;51442249]The guy was pointing that there's no reason to be afraid of muslims because it's more likely that a bunch of white men with guns would shoot up a school than that a ISIS member could sneak into the state as a Syrian refugee and cause havok. Essentially, he's saying that [this unlikely event] is much more unlikely than [this other unlikely event]. The example he's using is backed up by the statistics that show that the majority of mass shootings in the last 30 years have not been caused by muslims. A mass shooting is more likely to be committed by a white person than anybody else because they make up the majority of the population. So yea, the example he used makes sense because the supposedly ridiculous example of a bunch of white men shooting up a school is actually much, much more likely than the idea of a terrorist sleeper cell sneaking into texas posing as refugees. He even made it clear he was being facetious. He was mocking the mindset of fearmongering about muslims by pointing out how an unlikely event of a similiar magnitude committed by a white person was just as likely. And no it doesn't make sense to switch the race being referred to around (i.e. "switch white with black people and it becomes racist"), since the point he was making is that no race of people is especially more likely to be a mass shooter. He's not saying that white people are especially violent, he's pointing out the opposite. Since white people make up the majority of the population, white people would be more likely to commit the crime if race is not a factor. Switching the race around just changes what he was saying to something he didn't say. [B]The question I would ask of you guys is this: Are you upset about what the mayor of Dallas said because you feel he unfairly criticized white people, or because he claims we shouldn't be afraid of muslims, or both? Which of the two is more upsetting?[/B][/QUOTE] I get what he is saying and what you posts make complete sense. However, if the mayor actually explained himself properly this wouldn't be an issue. Instead he made it seems like white people are the issue. He should have stated I'm more worried about Active shooters or people who commit mass murder then ISIS. Because race has nothing to do with you being an active shooter or not.

[QUOTE=MR-X;51442310]I get what he is saying and what you posts make complete sense. However, if the mayor actually explained himself properly this wouldn't be an issue. Instead he made it seems like white people are the issue. He should have stated I'm more worried about Active shooters or people who commit mass murder then ISIS. Because race has nothing to do with you being an active shooter or not.[/QUOTE] It's entirely possible that when heard in-context and not in the out-of-context fashion of a clickbait news article, what he said sounds perfectly reasonable and self-explanatory. It's also quite possible that the Dallas mayor has said, in this instance or any other, the exact same thing in a more reasonable and self-explanatory manner but it wasn't reported on because it couldn't be used for clickbait. There's definitely a bias in the media towards the version of events that generates the most outrage, not even so much because of the media itself, but also because people on both sides of the political spectrum are more interested at throwing potshots at each other than actually understanding the world around them, and the people who run partisan news outlets have recognized that. What this essentially means is that any minor hiccup or mistake in phrasing is blown up into a huge issue that is wholly disproportionate to the event itself. You have to take what you read with a grain of salt. Look at the literal facts and not the media spin and, even if it sounds a bit weird, try to interpret what you read in the most positive light possible especially if the speaker is someone you have a inkling towards disliking. The reason behind this is that media outlets often use negative language around a series of quotes to generate more outrage, which can subconsciously affect your interpretation of those quotes.

I think the specific mention of white men was pretty sharp. Because remember, he's making the claim that we shouldn't irrationally fall to paranoid prejudice about X group of society; just general "active shooters" wouldn't be as apt of a comparison. It humanizes what he's saying by bringing it close to us and applying the same absurd logic.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51442497]I think the specific mention of white men was pretty sharp. Because remember, he's making the claim that we shouldn't irrationally fall to paranoid prejudice about X group of society; just general "active shooters" wouldn't be as apt of a comparison. It humanizes what he's saying by bringing it close to us and applying the same absurd logic.[/QUOTE] Spot on. The (presumably) white men getting indignant and defensive here are pretty much proving his point.

worth mentioning that ISIS and the so xalled "rebels" aren't Syrians in the first place, all are foreigners, as long as refugees are being closely identified it should be ok. But we are Scary tho, Awooo!