[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;44683486]wondering what the story is behind this[/QUOTE]
A bunch of rednecks had an AK and ammo.
I am sure many americans would like some of their tax-payer money back for all that ammo.
[QUOTE=Ashes;44683240]Hippy[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/1uMOla8.png[/img]
Muh guns
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[QUOTE=Winner;44683247]are they going to burn down all the army surplus stores too
seriously why are they destroying them rather than trying to get some of their money back out of it?[/QUOTE]
Because it's 'Murica, and they need their weekly dose of shit to blow up
Ammunition? Those are shell casings wtf.
Pic not related.
Please blow it all up at once in spectacular fashion, if you're gonna get rid of em:
[video=youtube;ZVM9_attO1Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVM9_attO1Q[/video]
They shouldn't just destroy it, they should disassemble it all and recycle the materials for other things.
[QUOTE=lew06;44684728]They shouldn't just destroy it, they should disassemble it all and recycle the materials for other things.[/QUOTE]
You know much about ammunition and just how much its going to cost to do [i]that[/i] to $1B worth of it?
It would be better if they just sold it off to Surplus stores and the lot.
The ammunition being destroyed is old stockpiles that have been slated for destruction for years. Some of the ammo types used today are relatively volatile and are not intended to be used once their shelf life expires, and most of it is ordnance that isn't usable by civilians, like ATGMs and tank rounds. The problem here isn't that they're destroying unusable ammo, it's that they don't have the bookkeeping to assess how much of the ammo is unusable and how much of it is still potentially usable (like ball ammo for small arms, that stuff doesn't expire) and just mixed in.
[QUOTE=lew06;44684728]They shouldn't just destroy it, they should disassemble it all and recycle the materials for other things.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure you realize how expensive it is to recycle large volumes of ammunition.
[QUOTE=catbarf;44684945] The problem here isn't that they're destroying unusable ammo, it's that they don't have the bookkeeping to assess how much of the ammo is unusable and how much of it is still potentially usable (like ball ammo for small arms, that stuff doesn't expire) and just mixed in.[/QUOTE]
And think about that. That's a total horror moment when it hits you: The U.S. Government has so much ordnance it cannot differentiate between useable and unusable kinds.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;44685255]And think about that. That's a total horror moment when it hits you: The U.S. Government has so much ordnance it cannot differentiate between useable and unusable kinds.[/QUOTE]
Oh, please. Keeping track of office supplies for a sprawling government is already a logistical nightmare, let alone hundreds of types of ammunition for a military with four separate branches and myriad requirements, all subject to oversight from a dozen different agencies. Every country with a decently sized military faces the same problems, and don't even get me started on how much stuff just disappears in countries like Russia.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;44684766]You know much about ammunition and just how much its going to cost to do [i]that[/i] to $1B worth of it?
It would be better if they just sold it off to Surplus stores and the lot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=catbarf;44684945]I'm not sure you realize how expensive it is to recycle large volumes of ammunition.[/QUOTE]
It would be expensive, you're both right. It may (Or may not, I'm not sure) be cheaper to just mine more of what they need, but that's only really good for short term and isn't a sustainable plan. Not to mention it's still a monumental waste to just dispose and have rid of it all seeing as resources are finite, no matter how much we think we may have. I just think it would do well to recycle all of this and have it do some good somewhere down the line, instead of just waste for us to clean up later.
This reminds me of those stories from the Air Force where the budget for the military is so high that they churn out plane after plane only to have them put in storage to collect dust and never to see combat.
[QUOTE=LobsterPastry;44685871]This reminds me of those stories from the Air Force where the budget for the military is so high that they churn out plane after plane only to have them put in storage to collect dust and never to see combat.[/QUOTE]
I don't know that that happens a great deal. Planes are expensive even for major military powers.
Now tanks...we've had that happen with tank retrofits.
Why not fucking stockpile it? I read the entire article wondering the reasoning behind this and I found nothing but the article mentioning how they're awful at keeping records.
[QUOTE=Winner;44683247]are they going to burn down all the army surplus stores too
seriously why are they destroying them rather than trying to get some of their money back out of it?[/QUOTE]because it's a good PR stunt
[QUOTE=Hatley;44683325]Call me mad, but I don't think pissing away $1B+ worth of ANYTHING is very intelligent.[/QUOTE]
It was already pissed away when they spent it in the first place.
I am getting serious vibes of Clinton-era retardation levels.
They did the same exact thing with a few million WW2 GI 1911s, even though they were petitioned by US Military veterans to sell or give veterans their personal 1911's.
Not to mention we still have a lovely tax-hole in Korea of 350,000 Korean War Era M1 Garands, which Obama booted the middle finger at, and refuses to have returned to the United States for the Civilian Marksmanship Program.
[QUOTE=catbarf;44685371]Oh, please. Keeping track of office supplies for a sprawling government is already a logistical nightmare, let alone hundreds of types of ammunition for a military with four separate branches and myriad requirements, all subject to oversight from a dozen different agencies. Every country with a decently sized military faces the same problems, and don't even get me started on how much stuff just disappears in countries like Russia.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't some grandiose mystical anti-US prophetic statement. The subject is the U.S so it felt relevant to name them as the U.S. if the subject was about the world loss of ordnance then I'd refer to that.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;44683220]Source: [url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/27/pentagon-ammunition-sen-tom-carper-gao-waste/8145729/[/url]
Obviously its not all stuff that civilians could use, but christ, throw the usable shit up on the surplus market! They'd make a fucking killing.
Plus it would be awesome to see the price of .50cal drop after a flood of milsurp hits the market :v:[/QUOTE]
Fuck me. I hit the optimistic button. I am straight up conservative and of course I hit the damn optimistic button.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44686253]I am getting serious vibes of Clinton-era retardation levels.
They did the same exact thing with a few million WW2 GI 1911s, even though they were petitioned by US Military veterans to sell or give veterans their personal 1911's.
Not to mention we still have a lovely tax-hole in Korea of 350,000 Korean War Era M1 Garands, which Obama booted the middle finger at, and refuses to have returned to the United States for the Civilian Marksmanship Program.[/QUOTE]
My god, the price of a parts matching surplus M1 Garand would drop back down to $200 or $300.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44686253]I am getting serious vibes of Clinton-era retardation levels.
They did the same exact thing with a few million WW2 GI 1911s, even though they were petitioned by US Military veterans to sell or give veterans their personal 1911's.
Not to mention we still have a lovely tax-hole in Korea of 350,000 Korean War Era M1 Garands, which Obama booted the middle finger at, and refuses to have returned to the United States for the Civilian Marksmanship Program.[/QUOTE]
IIRC it was 70,000 Garands and a few hundred thousand M1 Carbines. There's been rumours floating around that these Garands are now going to be sold on the surplus markets in Canada, New Zealand, and various countries in Europe since they can't get them in to the US anymore.
[QUOTE=J!NX;44683308]the real mans way to destroy ammo
[video=youtube;89JEeeVF6rQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89JEeeVF6rQ[/video][/QUOTE]
I was gonna say shoot it but...
shoot it while the gun is on fire....
GENIUS
Who cares nerds
[QUOTE=catbarf;44685371]Oh, please. Keeping track of office supplies for a sprawling government is already a logistical nightmare, let alone hundreds of types of ammunition for a military with four separate branches and myriad requirements, all subject to oversight from a dozen different agencies. Every country with a decently sized military faces the same problems, and don't even get me started on how much stuff just disappears in countries like Russia.[/QUOTE]
hello comrade
comrade
where are the kalashnikovs?
accidentally misplace couple thousand
eh, shit happens comrade
[QUOTE=Winner;44683247]are they going to burn down all the army surplus stores too
seriously why are they destroying them rather than trying to get some of their money back out of it?[/QUOTE]
probably some obscure law passed by congress years ago that forbids war surplus ammunition from going onto the market... or something like that
Why not just sell to the public?
Wow... this is like a dropkick to the teeth, especially after all of the major ammo shortages.
So its just 1B$ out the windows?
what a waste of money
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