75% of underage refugees in Denmark are actually adults according to Danish immigration service - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Saturn V;51503203]if you deliberately lie to gain supposed benefits from a system you are a fucker who should fuck off[/QUOTE] Wouldn't you lie in the same situation? Same as the whole "Syrian refugee" thing where loads of people claimed to be from Syria. If one group gets arbitary preferential treatment (syrian instead of iraqi, 19 instead of 18) can't blame people for lying to try and get in on that. 75% is a huge number though and it is necessary to draw a line somewhere. Children/younger people are more likely to get help because they need that help and older people lying about their age mean that the younger people have less resources available to help them. That should be the criticism, not some weird appeal to authority "they're liars!!". Ah its 75% of people who were investigated. Nice title.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51503418] Would it not be wiser to instead remove money out of the equation, so that those people could focus on getting a handle on language and education before making their first steps into the completely foreign job market equipped with the right tools? I understand that it's wildly upsetting effectively paying for it all, especially without your consent, but once that tax is deducted from your paycheck, it kind of stops being your money, and starts being the governments money. Perhaps you should take your issue up with them. [/QUOTE] while that's a great idea, the problem with that is they're cutting budgets everywhere already. we don't need that. we don't pay 39%+ of our money to taxes for all of our benefits to get cut off. if we had the money to just throw it out, yeah, great. but we don't.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51503253]You contributed nothing to your nations welfare system. You never fought for amendments nor "struggled through difficult political maneuvering". In a way, you are about as entitled to your countries facilities as those refugees are, dude. The only difference is that they happened to be born in a different country. Never take credit for the work of your ancestors as if you had any role in it, especially when you're pandering to patriotism. Always bothered me when people say stuff like that.[/QUOTE] I Love the logic here. "You didn't have a hand in designing the welfare system or were in any way some great political force, therefore the rules of the welfare system and society are irrelevant and you have no right to criticize them or the way in which they are applied" I want to see that used in court. "your honor, no member the persecution had a hand in writing these laws, and yet they attempt to use them to enforce their case. I hereby ask the case be thrown out for having no legal standing, and the persecution be charged with contempt of court"

[QUOTE=kattolil;51503492]Are you kidding me? I guess the years I worked, paying 39% of my income back as tax means nothing? As does everyone elses tax? Come on buddy.[/QUOTE] Come on boddy, that's not what he was talking about at all. Read the post he replied to. [QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51505590]I Love the logic here. "You didn't have a hand in designing the welfare system or were in any way some great political force, therefore the rules of the welfare system and society are irrelevant and you have no right to criticize them or the way in which they are applied" I want to see that used in court. "your honor, no member the persecution had a hand in writing these laws, and yet they attempt to use them to enforce their case. I hereby ask the case be thrown out for having no legal standing, and the persecution be charged with contempt of court"[/QUOTE] Again, this is not in any way what he was saying at all. Again, read the post he was replying to. St33m was saying that he is entitled to welfare while refugees are not, because his ancestors fought for welfare. Marbalo was arguing against that, not any of the stuff you're talking about.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51503253]You contributed nothing to your nations welfare system. You never fought for amendments nor "struggled through difficult political maneuvering". In a way, you are about as entitled to your countries facilities as those refugees are, dude. The only difference is that they happened to be born in a different country. Never take credit for the work of your ancestors as if you had any role in it, especially when you're pandering to patriotism. Always bothered me when people say stuff like that.[/QUOTE] But I pay taxes and my ancestors worked to establish those systems so that their descendants (me!) were able to benefit them. Taking credit for the work of your ancestors is obviously silly, but pretending that citizens of a country have no claim to the privileges their country provides is even more so.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51503418]Let me offer you an alternative perspective then; Your issues as I understand it, are primarily refugees leeching off of benefits rather than finding jobs and properly integrating into the country. You feel betrayed and angered that your taxes are going to waste, effectively supporting an entire demographic unwilling to do their part for the country they've chosen to emigrate to. [B]Your solution to this, is cooperation through punishment.[/B] Slashing social benefits, forcing them to turn over any personal belongings of worth, and basically limiting their already - as you've said - incredibly limited job market. [/QUOTE] No, my solution is that they get the fuck out if they can't even do the most basic stuff required of them while having zero decency along with a complete different moral system in which they resort to outright lying and deception to get benefits the host nation inhabitants collectively built up over dozens of years.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51503364]I don't know! But flipping a switch and saying everyone past 18 is an adult seems wrong. Maybe the question of benefits shouldn't be defined by age but by level of independence.[/QUOTE] So now how do you define your level of independence. I've been living apart from my parents for over a decade, in a household in which I have been pretty much totally left to wander free any make my life for myself. Does that mean I should have ceased having benefits at the age of 10? I'm not trying to stamp out your point here, but there's got to be a line somewhere and 18 has been working pretty damn well all things considered.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51503196]Someone please tell me the difference between a 18 year old and a 19 year old.[/QUOTE] 1 year.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51503232]18 is an arbitrary cutoff point for adulthood. I know 19 year olds who I wouldn't define as adult.[/QUOTE] Arbitrary in the broader sense, yes, but in a legal sense its very important.