• David Gregory waves Hi-Cap Mag on Meet the Press in DC while asking the NRA About a Ban so People Ca
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[QUOTE=catbarf;38965032]Uh, not really. The PPSh and Sten are two of the simplest automatic firearms ever built, and they're a little more complicated than pipe and a bit of steel. Also not really easy to build, just easy by gun standards. Zip guns have been around for ages but they can't compare with engineered firearms.[/QUOTE] open bolt blowback submachineguns are as simple as making a bolt and shoving it in a pipe
[QUOTE=catbarf;38965032]Uh, not really. The PPSh and Sten are two of the simplest automatic firearms ever built, and they're a little more complicated than pipe and a bit of steel. Also not really easy to build, just easy by gun standards. Zip guns have been around for ages but they can't compare with engineered firearms.[/QUOTE] Actually, the designer of the Sten wanted it to be so easy that anyone could make it in case Britain was ever invaded, that way anyone could make a gun to defend Britain with.
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;38960739][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis[/media] Skip to 1:29 if you want to hear someone's testimony who was actually in [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre]a mass shooting.[/url][/QUOTE] those posters between the clips are really insulting to my intelligence, wow I guess in a country with gun ownership being as liberal is it is in the US you should expect people to be allowed to defend themselves (with guns) in order to even the odds if someone else attacks them with a gun. But wouldn't it just make sense to get rid of guns entirely? The rest of the civilized world gets along perfectly well without them. [editline]25th December 2012[/editline] people need to look at the root psychological and societal cause of these shootings, as well as make sure that INSTRUMENTS CAPABLE OF EFFICIENTLY TAKING LIFE aren't in the possession of homicidal mental cases
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38960696]"a few seconds" are worthless[/QUOTE] You really didn't think before saying that in context with mass shootings. Several survivors of the Colorado theater shootings said that him reloading was the only opportunity they had to get out.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38961530]Jared Loughner also managed to kill so many because of his extended magazine.[/QUOTE] Heheh, He was actually stopped when his mag jammed guess you didn't get the memo
[QUOTE=cqbcat;38963268]By the way 30 round mags aren't high capacity. I'm pretty sure that it's been an industry standard to have semi-autos shipped with a 30 round mag. [I]Unless you're cheap like Colt; you get a dinky 20 round USGI mag[/I]. As far back as World War II, semi auto and full auto rifles have been equipped with 30 round mags.[/QUOTE] This is incorrect, until the Introduction of the 30 round STANAG for the M16A1 in the late 70s most military rifles (with the exception of the AK-47 and CZ-58) used 20 round magazines as the standard starting in the 1950s, all battle rifles, the FAL, G3, AR-10 and M14 used 20 round magazines, the original AR-15 used 20 round magazines, and FAMAS used 25 round magazines, in fact nearly all rifles chambered in 7.62x51 NATO have the 20 round capacity as standard, see the SCAR-H. During WW2 the highest captivity commonly experienced excluding the M1918 BAR(20rd), FG-42(20rd) and StG-44(30rd) were 10 round magazines, examples given being the Lee-Enfield, , SVT-40, M1941 Johnson Rifle. In the post war period most newly adopted rifles had only a 10 round capacity, like the SKS and MAS-49.
Actually, 2 other notable post-war rifles, the AK-47 (30) and SAFN-49 (20) had higher than 10 capacity, and every SMG during the war had at least a 30 round magazine, with many having some kind of drum or extended magazine for them as well, having a capacity of 50 rounds or greater. Also, the Johnson was never adopted into full service, with the Garand (8) being favoured, and 5 rounds was just about as common as 10, notable examples being any Mauser, the Mosin-Nagant, the Arisaka, and the Springfield 1903. However, when New Zealand, South Africa, and Canada experimented with semi/full auto versions of the Lee-Enfield, or guns based off that platform, they often used magazines of 20 or greater rounds.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;38968349]This is incorrect, until the Introduction of the 30 round STANAG for the M16A1 in the late 70s most military rifles (with the exception of the AK-47 and CZ-58) used 20 round magazines as the standard starting in the 1950s, all battle rifles, the FAL, G3, AR-10 and M14 used 20 round magazines, the original AR-15 used 20 round magazines, and FAMAS used 25 round magazines, in fact nearly all rifles chambered in 7.62x51 NATO have the 20 round capacity as standard, see the SCAR-H. During WW2 the highest captivity commonly experienced excluding the M1918 BAR(20rd), FG-42(20rd) and StG-44(30rd) were 10 round magazines, examples given being the Lee-Enfield, , SVT-40, M1941 Johnson Rifle. In the post war period most newly adopted rifles had only a 10 round capacity, like the SKS and MAS-49.[/QUOTE] STANAG 4179 was never ratified, and the standard was based on existing magazines.
A drum of 100 rounds is difficult to carry multiple of within easy reach, plus they're heavy. You can easily carry many many more 10 round mags and reload them much faster than a few drum mags.
[QUOTE=draugur;38968608]A drum of 100 rounds is difficult to carry multiple of within easy reach, plus they're heavy. You can easily carry many many more 10 round mags and reload them much faster than a few drum mags.[/QUOTE] And they're going to feed more reliably.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;38965598]You really didn't think before saying that in context with mass shootings. Several survivors of the Colorado theater shootings said that him reloading was the only opportunity they had to get out.[/QUOTE] You really didn't think before reading the rest of the thread, did you.
[QUOTE=Kasuga Ayumu;38968549]STANAG 4179 was never ratified, and the standard was based on existing magazines.[/QUOTE] Okay, correction the USGI magizine, and STANAG 4179 was based solely on the M16A1's USGI magazine, regardless before the late 70s most rifles used 20-25 round magazines, see the HK33, FAMAS, SIG SG 510 and EM-2 rifle.
So upon talking to my great-aunt about the subject of gun control (she's a gun nut, used to press her own ammo and everything when she lived in Tuscon), she said they passed all kinds of gun control legislation in Arizona, such as limiting mags to 5 rounds, etc., in an attempt to effectively ban AR-15s. When it was said and done with, the only *legal* gun she had in her house... Was an AR-15. :v:
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;38970835]So upon talking to my great-aunt about the subject of gun control (she's a gun nut, used to press her own ammo and everything when she lived in Tuscon), she said they passed all kinds of gun control legislation in Arizona, such as limiting mags to 5 rounds, etc., in an attempt to effectively ban AR-15s. When it was said and done with, the only *legal* gun she had in her house... Was an AR-15. :v:[/QUOTE] I think your great aunt is senile cause no such laws were ever passed in Arizona
did you guys sign the petition to have him prosecuted?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;38968835]Okay, correction the USGI magizine, and STANAG 4179 was based solely on the M16A1's USGI magazine, regardless before the late 70s most rifles used 20-25 round magazines, see the HK33, FAMAS, SIG SG 510 and EM-2 rifle.[/QUOTE] the HK33 was issued with either 25 or 40 round box mags or could be fed by belt, the FAMAS F1 is an oddball that doesn't even work without specially made ammunition, and the SG510 and EM-2 are both battle rifles, which is a class of weapon that still to this day rarely uses magazines larger than 20-25 rounds
[QUOTE=Aman VII;38971090]I think your great aunt is senile cause no such laws were ever passed in Arizona[/QUOTE] She has MS, but she was very much into what was going on concerning firearms in Arizona. (this all happened before she was diagnosed, of course).
[QUOTE=Kasuga Ayumu;38972450]the HK33 was issued with either 25 or 40 round box mags or could be fed by belt, the FAMAS F1 is an oddball that doesn't even work without specially made ammunition, and the SG510 and EM-2 are both battle rifles, which is a class of weapon that still to this day rarely uses magazines larger than 20-25 rounds[/QUOTE] How is the EM-2 a Battle Rifle if it was originally chambered in an intermediate cartridge?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;38968349]This is incorrect, until the Introduction of the 30 round STANAG for the M16A1 in the late 70s most military rifles (with the exception of the AK-47 and CZ-58) used 20 round magazines as the standard starting in the 1950s, all battle rifles, the FAL, G3, AR-10 and M14 used 20 round magazines, the original AR-15 used 20 round magazines, and FAMAS used 25 round magazines, in fact nearly all rifles chambered in 7.62x51 NATO have the 20 round capacity as standard, see the SCAR-H. During WW2 the highest captivity commonly experienced excluding the M1918 BAR(20rd), FG-42(20rd) and StG-44(30rd) were 10 round magazines, examples given being the Lee-Enfield, , SVT-40, M1941 Johnson Rifle. In the post war period most newly adopted rifles had only a 10 round capacity, like the SKS and MAS-49.[/QUOTE] Who cares about specifics. My point was that these so called 'hi cap' mags are just standard mags because they are so well established.
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