"The disabled should be paid UNDER minium wage" - says Conservative MP - Polidicks

It's simply unacceptable to pay out below minimum wage at the moment anyway, mostly everything in our supermarkets are going up in price because the fuel price is high - I really do expect a wage rise soon.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;30548634]Please explain. Really if you look at illegal immigrants you would see that without minimum wage people will take what they can get and the employer will give them whatever they want. Really are you tryning to say that if they are able to pay there people less then products price would go down? yes that is true and thats what wallmart does but we don't want this. This means that the products will eventually have to become cheaply made and it would cause horrible competition with employes causing them to ask for less and less pay meaning its harder for the poor to get a better paying job.[/QUOTE] Illegal immigrants and many legal immigrants take up jobs that nobody else is willing to do. They do compete against high school drop outs, but overall, they do jobs that people wouldn't do for minimum wage. You are not quite understanding my argument or my point which is essentially that a price control on wage also affects other prices and that the amount of money needed to live no longer determines minimum wage, rather it is that minimum wage determines the amount of money needed to live. No my argument isn't that lower costs of labor would lower prices, it is that prices are dependent upon the consumer. The price of most goods is chosen carefully so they can appeal to the largest group possible. I'm not going address the last sentence on the basis of it being ridiculous. Like I said, read up on it, there is so much more to this argument that I'm not going to be able to convey well enough. [QUOTE=Chopstick;30548929]It's simply unacceptable to pay out below minimum wage at the moment anyway, mostly everything in our supermarkets are going up in price because the fuel price is high - I really do expect a wage rise soon.[/QUOTE] Fuel prices are a factor in higher cost of goods, but the bigger factor is inflation. The inevitable inflation from the 2008 bailouts, stimulus, and so borrowing is the primary cause of rising prices. Usually the easiest way to tell if it is inflation is if gas and food prices are rising together at a similar rate, and they are. A big issue with trying to claim this is that the stated rates of inflation are very inaccurate due to a number of changes to its calculations throughout the year and the real rate of inflation is much higher. Here is an article about why inflation is higher than we are told [url]http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/inflation-so-much-worse-were-told/51631[/url] Here is an article about the current inflation hitting the US [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/business/economy/14econ.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Pepin;30550348]The price of most goods is chosen carefully so they can appeal to the largest group possible.[/QUOTE] You know there is a certain amount they a items price can go before they have to cut corners to make it that price. This would push technological unemployment and create a bigger gap between the rich and the poor.

this is ridiculously heartless.

No, fuck that. Both my mother and father are legally disabled. My father had his coccyx shattered when he fell down some basement stairs (he still has a few shards floating in there). To my knowledge, every time he moves it's terrible fucking pain. My mother's hands were crushed in an elevator. To this day, her hands still lock up and spasm due to extensive nerve damage caused by treatments and said incident. I refuse to let a bunch of conservative assfucks decide what's just for those who're on disability. Until one in a wheelchair has a say in any of this, they can go fuck themselves.

While I can see the thought process behind this, there's no way it would work since there's no way it won't be exploited. If an employer can pay less than minimum wage, especially to a group who have difficulty getting work and may be more desperate for a job as a result, then they're always going to. And as has been said, minimum wage is a minimum amount needed to live on, so you can't reasonably let employers pay less than that.

I can see what they TRIED to do but this isn't the way to go. Instead they should give Business owners more incentive (In terms of Taxes not the disabled persons own wages) to hire Disabled people.

[QUOTE=thispieiscold;30543593]if an employer [i]can[/i] pay less than minimum wage, chances are they [i]will[/i] pay them less than minimum wage[/QUOTE] That's not the point, the point is that they hired a disabled person in the first place

Honestly if I ran a business I wouldn't want to hire retarded people. I mean if there's ever the option of someone who isn't retarded they'll get the job first. If we throw out the affirmative action possibility they've got little chance of getting a real job. And I know the term retarded isn't PC, I don't care.

[quote]A Conservative Party spokesman told the BBC: "These comments do not reflect the views of the Conservative Party and do not reflect government policy". [/quote] Yeah it can't be their view because it only affects disabled people and as we all know the Conservatives would have it affect everyone outside of the M25.