[QUOTE=Kinversulath;33669562]Considering that the hate speech laws (at least in Canada) are subject to the Charter, which cannot be amended, and that Charter is then interpreted by the Supreme Court and not the Federal Government. No. The Government cannot just make up definitions with no accountability.
I get the feeling somebody is pulling shit out of their ass here.[/QUOTE]
Since when wasn't the Supreme Court part of the Federal Government? They certainly aren't a private organization.
[quote=Contag;33669567]What if you say
"I want someone to kill the president"
or
"I want the president killed"[/QUOTE]
What point are you even trying to make?
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;33669569]No, mere speech doesn't threat another person's physical safety. I could threaten to kill you, but not actually having the intention to do so. As long as I don't carry out my threat, why shouldn't I be allowed to threaten you?
You have clearly not grasped the concept of hate speech laws. Hate speech laws should be there to protect religious, national and ethnical minorities from the majority. Wall street bankers are not a seperate race... though it's arguable whether they are a religious minority or not. So, I can call a political party a bunch of idiots without having to fear penalty.
And, since hate speech only protects ethnical, national and religous minorities it's hard to bend the law to protect one's own party, so your view on totalitarianism is a bit skewed.[/QUOTE]
1) A threat is just that. It threatens your physical safety. A threat is classified as an assault in most cases, because they create a *legitimate* fear that someone will harm you. Simply saying something hateful doesn't create a legitimate fear that someone will harm you.
2) Hate speech according to Canada's law apparently has nothing to do with minorities, they have to do with inciting hatred against an "identifiable group". A political party is an identifiable group of people so according to Canadian law, saying that they are a bunch of idiots, hicks, or whatever, is illegal.
3) It's totalitarian because it puts it in the hands of a select group of people to decide what constitutes hate, and what constitutes an identifiable group.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33669643]Since when wasn't the Supreme Court part of the Federal Government? They certainly aren't a private organization.[/QUOTE]
Since Confederation? A Committee composed of a MP from each party, a retired judge, someone put forward from the Provincial Attorney General from the province where the vacancy has occurred, somebody from various law societies and two prominent Canadians who aren't involved in the legal system receive a list of seven names from the Minister of Justice, interview potential candidates and cut the list down to three names. The PM then sends one candidate to be approved by the Governor General. That way the political party in power can't stack the court in their favour.
Hell, the Supreme Court actually holds more power than the Federal Government considering they can strike down laws that they declare unconstitutional.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33669643]A political party is an identifiable group of people so according to Canadian law, saying that they are a bunch of idiots, hicks, or whatever, is illegal.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Criminal Code of Canada]Definition of “identifiable group”
(4) In this section, “identifiable group” means any section of the public distinguished by [B]colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation[/B].[/quote]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33669505]At least we are free to express our minds, unlike the rest of the "civilized" world..[/QUOTE]
Yeah but when people are being more offensive than say "Charles Manson", then something is wrong.
[QUOTE=thisispain;33668847]ugh, while i agree with the notion of freedom of speech that should never be taken away, this insipid little runt of a high schooler is a good example of its abuse.
i, begrudgingly, think she shouldn't have been suspended.[/QUOTE]
I don't think schools should suspend anyone for anything that happens on facebook.
If it's libellous let the victim handle it, if it's illegal let the police handle it, the school should stay out.
There's been a trend lately of schools far overstepping their bounds and it needs to stop
Oh I misinterpreted it for being suspended from Facebook!
What the christ has a school got a right to what occurs outside of the grounds?
[QUOTE=Contag;33669567]What if you say
"I want someone to kill the president"
or
"I want the president killed"[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQOvyGbBtY[/media]
But to get back on topic, I sort of see where she's coming from, she just said it in an overly-racist fashion. As Alixandah said, we're not offended by Ramadan or Hanukkah, so why should people be offended by Christmas? Live and let live, I say.
My school was a public one with a primarily non Christian population ( Being openly religious made you an easy target to be made fun of ) and teachers ( Escpecially physics one ) generally making remarks against religion all the time, yet nobody had problems that every year there was a Christmas celebration where we lighted candles for death students in a local curch, and made boxes stuffed with food for the elderly and and such.
Well, maybe because it replaced a normal schoolday.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33668878]Why not? She was obviously acting discriminatory against other beliefs and races. She handled it like a bitch too.
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Catholics are not christians?[/QUOTE]
Roman-Catholics, or just Catholics are christians.
She's a racist cunt, but she shouldn't be suspended for voicing her beliefs, no matter how bigoted.
I somewhat agree though, people need to accept others beliefs, and if a community is largely a certain Religion they should be able to do whatever they want publicly, as long as it isn't offensive or anything.
This thread is full of retards.
[QUOTE=Contag;33669567]What if you say
"I want someone to kill the president"
or
"I want the president killed"[/QUOTE]
If saying that gets you punished in any way then you know your country doesn't have free speech.
FUCK THE ONTARIO SCHOOL BOARD /caps
Our board is absolutely FUCKED up, all of them, this is the same issue at our school, with our,
"Holiday Tree" instead of Christmas Tree,
"Festive Assembly" instead of Christmas Assembly
Also, Easter eggs are referred to as "Festive Eggs" or "Festive Spheres", not joking.
Fuck off, ok yes the Catholic Church (in general, Christian churches) a long time ago were fucked up.
But Christian nations founded this country, respect my heritage, bitches.
[QUOTE=Gundevil;33668517]Personally, I believe that schools, let alone people have no right to dictate who can say what about religion. If a christian says merry Christmas, suck it up and walk the fuck off. If a Jew says happy Hanukkah, suck it up and deal with it. You come to a christian country, smarten the fuck up and accept Christian beliefs, holidays and ideals. We would do the same for your country. Going on to call them ragheads and such is harsh and discriminatory, saying "Merry Christmas" is a kind gesture and if you don't like it, then get the fuck out of my country or deal with it. Your rights do not give you the ability to dictate what is said and who says it. Jehovah's can go door to door, Muslims can play that loud ass horn, I will say Merry Christmas and you can take that right away over my dead body.[/QUOTE]
OP is just as much of a bigot as the girl in the news story.
[QUOTE=bull3tmagn3t;33671038]Our board is absolutely FUCKED up, all of them, this is the same issue at our school, with our,
"Holiday Tree" instead of Christmas Tree,
"Festive Assembly" instead of Christmas Assembly
Also, Easter eggs are referred to as "Festive Eggs" or "Festive Spheres", not joking.
Fuck off, ok yes the Catholic Church (in general, Christian churches) a long time ago were fucked up.
But Christian nations founded this country, respect my heritage, bitches.[/QUOTE]
The "holiday tree" should be even more offensive, because it implies that everyone else decorates a pine tree around the same time of year, showing a rather ignorant lack of insight into anything non-Christian.
Guys can someone explain this situation, are people ACTUALLY offended when someone says merry xmas while they don't celebrate xmas?
I see 2 stereotypes here; douchebag american with racist views and shitty nanny-education system
So now the third is you can't say merry christmas without fear of backlash, and i don't even like christmas all that much, fuck christianity and christmas.. christmas was a pagan celebration but whatever
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[QUOTE=mysteryman;33668611]In a way i agree with her; but she's being an ignorant little bitch about it, just like the people who are offended by christmas.
Here in philadelphia we have a small tradition of a small market being set up around the downtown area called "The Christmas Village". Last year someone wrote the city taking offense to it, so they removed "Christmas" and instead it was just a small market, built to look like small cabins that sold christmas ornaments and baked goods, called "The Village".
People need to just shut the fuck up and deal with things.[/QUOTE]
Everytime i read stuff like this i'm glad i live in germany - they would just tell the guy who wrote the city to fuck off, suck it up, and wish them a happy christmas :v:
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33669543]Yup, we are.
[editline]11th December 2011[/editline]
That might get an investigation by the Secret Service or other law enforcement if posted publicly, but wouldn't result in charges if there is no conspiracy to kill the president, and it isn't directly calling for someone to kill the president.[/QUOTE]
It's illegal to say I'm going to kill the president. Therefore, it is not a country with truly free speech.
There is no country where you are free to say anything you want. You either have free speech, or you don't. There's no "almost free speech".
Sorry.
Although she is being extreme I do agree with accepting other peoples beliefs.
I get people wishing me all sort of things that I dont celebrate. Take it as a nice gesture of them expressing good will and just reply with the same comment because it may not mean anything to you but it clearly means something to them.
Happy fucking hanukkah and kwanza bitch, build a bridge over the the fact some people don't share your imaginary friend and get over it.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;33671445]Guys can someone explain this situation, are people ACTUALLY offended when someone says merry xmas while they don't celebrate xmas?
I see 2 stereotypes here; douchebag american with racist views and shitty nanny-education system
So now the third is you can't say merry christmas without fear of backlash, and i don't even like christmas all that much, fuck christianity and christmas.. christmas was a pagan celebration but whatever[/QUOTE]
You do realize this event occurred in Canada, right?
People are having trouble understanding that she was punished for her comments towards her other students, not her beliefs on Christmas. If she walked up to a Muslim student and yelled, "go back to your country you paki towelhead!" she would have been suspended for that as well. You should not be debating the fact of Christmas in schools, but rather if this was a violation of her free speech. I don't believe it was, because she said those things on a public website. She deserves the same punishment as if she had said them out in public.
So the issue is her being punished by the school, then.
I side with the view that she shouldn't have been punished for things she did outside the school.
Of course, would you say that an employer has the right to fire an employee for doing private things which may hurt the reputation of the business?
I disagree with both the school and the girl. The school should not monitor Facebook, it is supposed to be private, unless threats were made. The girl needs to get over the fact that there are people who don't celebrate Christmas.
[QUOTE=bord2tears;33672402]I disagree with both the school and the girl. The school should not monitor Facebook, it is supposed to be private, unless threats were made. The girl needs to get over the fact that there are people who don't celebrate Christmas.[/QUOTE]Facebook is anything but private when you have your entire school added.
[QUOTE=bord2tears;33672402]I disagree with both the school and the girl. The school should not monitor Facebook, it is supposed to be private, unless threats were made. The girl needs to get over the fact that there are people who don't celebrate Christmas.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't being monitered, it was reported by another student who obviously felt threatened.
A guy at my college got suspended until the new year (We're not even doing anything other than revision for mocks now, so he essentially got two extra weeks off) for tweeting that the college was shit and that some lesson was a waste of time.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33670903]This [b]forum[/b] is full of retards.[/QUOTE]
Fixed that for you.
What you say about a holiday on Facebook is none of the school's business. She is a bit of a prick about the way she said it, but so is the school for suspending her over it.
[quote]"It's ridiculous I get suspended over something I believe in - we should be allowed to say, 'Merry Christmas,'" said Burge[/quote]
No. You didn't get suspended because you think you should be allowed to say Merry Christmas. You got suspended for being an ignorant racist, you're fully aware of that fact you stupid cunt.
"A bit of a prick"? Let's be honest, it was a completely bigoted, close-minded view based on her beliefs. Rather than say something like "Oh, let's all get together in school and celebrate Christmas", she acted as if everyone not Christian in her school were trying to judgemental against her for her beliefs. Instead, she was racist, idiotic, and so, so many others things all in one sentence. If she wants to be treated respectfully for her views (no matter how ridiculously bigoted they are) then she should remember that everyone else expects the same too. In the case of the school suspending her, I would have fucking expelled her.
[QUOTE=Gundevil;33668517]Personally, I believe that schools, let alone people have no right to dictate who can say what about religion. If a christian says merry Christmas, suck it up and walk the fuck off. If a Jew says happy Hanukkah, suck it up and deal with it. You come to a christian country, smarten the fuck up and accept Christian beliefs, holidays and ideals. We would do the same for your country. Going on to call them ragheads and such is harsh and discriminatory, saying "Merry Christmas" is a kind gesture and if you don't like it, then get the fuck out of my country or deal with it. Your rights do not give you the ability to dictate what is said and who says it. Jehovah's can go door to door, Muslims can play that loud ass horn, I will say Merry Christmas and you can take that right away over my dead body.[/QUOTE]
[B][I]The United States is not a fucking Christian nation. The founding fathers MADE THIS CLEAR.[/I][/B]
[editline]11th December 2011[/editline]
But she did not deserve to be suspended.
"I hate what you say, but I would give my life to let you continue to say it."
First amendment bitches.
[editline]11th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=JimmyA;33668963]is this girl retarded?
just because you have friends that are whatever you say, doesn't justify it. thats like me walking up to my black friends and saying "Whats up n---a"[/QUOTE]
Dude my black friends think it's hilarious when I say nigga. Like I'll clap them up and go "MAH NIGGA!"
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