Man, 19, cuffed after burning Remembrance poppy pic is Facebooked - Polidicks

[QUOTE=waxrock;38428550]And all the while WBC is still roaming around. What the fuck.[/QUOTE] Freedom of Speech: It's not illegal, just because it offends people. UK shouldn't be allowed to say they have free speech.

Oh thank god, I misread the title as "puppy" instead of poppy.

So that's what those things are. I saw them all over London when I visited (On Lorries/Cabbies/Buses) and on people's lapels, and other various places.

That's appalling. Over here in America, the worst you'd get is what we call "parking lot justice." You could publicly burn a Bible, a copy of the Constitution, and a yellow "Support Our Troops Ribbon" all wrapped up in Old Glory and, legally, no one can touch you. [URL="http://anupadin.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/burning-poppy1.png?w=300&h=500"]Come and get me UK.[/URL]

Dat Freedom.

[QUOTE=SatansSin;38420229]This is foolish, on both parties. The kid has a criminal background now, but it's deserved. At least while the poppies are usually used for Remembrance Day up here in Canada, some people actually steal boxes full of them, it's absolutely disgusting, to be fairly honest. People who do that, or this sort of thing don't deserve a slap on the wrist, but they also don't deserve a criminal background that will lower their chances of getting into a stable job position.[/QUOTE] You do realise it's just a stupid plant right? There shouldn't even BE a slap on the wrist. There shouldn't be anything. [editline]13th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Irkalla;38423016]They should give him community service at a VFW or the Legion or something. Or whatever the British analogue is. Maybe if he works alongside them and listens to their stories and shit and gets to experience what they experienced at some level, he'll develop a sense of respect for them.[/QUOTE] Yeah this is a horrendous and draconian idea. Literally FORCING someone to respect a group of people because you personally do for whatever dumb reason you have. [editline]13th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Irkalla;38423147]lol. The whole idea of pacifism just boggles my mind. War's pretty much the only reason he can sit there and BE a pacifist. Without war there would be no Britain. It's like, hey these guys are trying to invade us. But we're pacifists so it's k. Just stupid :v: Oh and "hey let me hate these guys for something their country made them do"[/QUOTE] Glad to see you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. No you know what's stupid? You're insufferable posts.

So facepunch gets all angsty over WBC picketing american soldiers funerals, and I've seen people wish death upon the WBC because of that, yet you say the UK has no free speech because of this? This is disrespecting ALL of the dead who have died for the UK and the Commonwealth, and with British troops dying almost every day in Afghanistan, how do you think the families of those recently died would feel about this? You wouldn't taunt the family of a car crash victim, so why burn a poppy? This guy is a plain idiot, I'm not saying he should be locked up, but being such a disrespectful idiot doesn't get him anywhere.

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;38436259]So facepunch gets all angsty over WBC picketing american soldiers funerals, and I've seen people wish death upon the WBC because of that, yet you say the UK has no free speech because of this? This is disrespecting ALL of the dead who have died for the UK and the Commonwealth, and with British troops dying almost every day in Afghanistan, how do you think the families of those recently died would feel about this? You wouldn't taunt the family of a car crash victim, so why burn a poppy? This guy is a plain idiot, I'm not saying he should be locked up, but being such a disrespectful idiot doesn't get him anywhere.[/QUOTE] It's a guy on Facebook with a picture of a burning flower as his display pic. It's not like he went to the funeral of some soldier and protested it. Yeesh.

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;38436259]So facepunch gets all angsty over WBC picketing american soldiers funerals, and I've seen people wish death upon the WBC because of that, yet you say the UK has no free speech because of this? This is disrespecting ALL of the dead who have died for the UK and the Commonwealth, and with British troops dying almost every day in Afghanistan, how do you think the families of those recently died would feel about this? You wouldn't taunt the family of a car crash victim, so why burn a poppy? This guy is a plain idiot, I'm not saying he should be locked up, but being such a disrespectful idiot doesn't get him anywhere.[/QUOTE] The thing is though, members of the WBC don't get arrested because of what they do, here in the UK you post a picture and you are arrested, which is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;38436259]So facepunch gets all angsty over WBC picketing american soldiers funerals, and I've seen people wish death upon the WBC because of that, yet you say the UK has no free speech because of this? This is disrespecting ALL of the dead who have died for the UK and the Commonwealth, and with British troops dying almost every day in Afghanistan, how do you think the families of those recently died would feel about this? You wouldn't taunt the family of a car crash victim, so why burn a poppy? This guy is a plain idiot, I'm not saying he should be locked up, but being such a disrespectful idiot doesn't get him anywhere.[/QUOTE] That's exactly the point. If he wants to disrespect the people that have died for the UK and Commonwealth then he is bloody well entitled to do that.

[QUOTE=Chaoss86;38427768]The UK is one of a few European countries where we do not have free speech. Although America isn't much better I hear about this sort of stuff happening all the time over the pond[/QUOTE] I don't think there's any, really. [QUOTE=DiscoMelon;38428012]Er, no. There's a lot you can say about the United States, but people being denied the right to free speech/expression by the government isn't one of them. Shit, we've had the KKK march on Washington D.C. more than once.[/QUOTE] just because freedom of speech isn't violated in some cases, doesn't mean it isn't violated a lot [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38435431] Glad to see you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. No you know what's stupid? You're insufferable posts.[/QUOTE] ad hominem arguments really aren't helping [QUOTE=Mort and Charon;38436259]So facepunch gets all angsty over WBC picketing american soldiers funerals, and I've seen people wish death upon the WBC because of that, yet you say the UK has no free speech because of this?[/quote] as for myself, 1. I don't like what they're doing but never would I think to prosecute them for that. freedom of speech/expression does not mean you can't hate what others are doing, you just can't put them in jail for it 2. I don't care because it's a soldier's funeral, I care because it's a funeral, and because they're spewing hateful bullshit [quote] This is disrespecting ALL of the dead who have died for the UK and the Commonwealth, and with British troops dying almost every day in Afghanistan, how do you think the families of those recently died would feel about this? [/quote] my condolences to the families, but as for the soldiers, I can understand not wanting to desert from being drafted, but what the hell are they doing voluntarily in afghanistan these days [quote]You wouldn't taunt the family of a car crash victim, so why burn a poppy? This guy is a plain idiot, I'm not saying he should be locked up, but being such a disrespectful idiot doesn't get him anywhere.[/QUOTE] people can call him out on it and insult him all they want, but if the government punishes him, that's a violation of human rights. this shouldn't be okay.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;38422213]You're allowed to do whatever you want to your own property [b]as long as it doesn't offend anyone![/b][/QUOTE] Yeah, this is the law in Britain- it's no secret that being offensive leaves you up to people doing whatever. On the bright side, it means no Westboro Baptist Church.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;38437292]Yeah, this is the law in Britain- it's no secret that being offensive leaves you up to people doing whatever. On the bright side, it means no Westboro Baptist Church.[/QUOTE] I'd prefer all free speech, with the good and bad that comes with it over regulated nanny state bullshit.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;38437292]Yeah, this is the law in Britain- it's no secret that being offensive leaves you up to people doing whatever. On the bright side, it means no Westboro Baptist Church.[/QUOTE] It's a violation of freedom of speech, a human right, no matter how nice you put it. You're telling people what they can and can't say.

It's stupid that he got arrested, but i think he needs a good punch in the face instead.

[QUOTE=Stockers678;38419575]Look, there is a stupid teenager doing stupid shit. Let's give him a criminal record and make him completely unemployable for life. Yeah, that'll teach him![/QUOTE] He's been charged not prosecuted. Most likely he'll receive a final warning if his lawyer advises him to plead guilty, a final warning isn't visible on your employment record, it might be for extensive background checks (working with children/police) I don't know about that. That said the whole thing is bullshit, if I had £100 to spare I'd buy 100 poppies and burn them all then post a video just to make a point that regardless of if it's offensive he should be allowed to do it people need to stop being so stuck in their own view points and caring about stupid shit other people do that doesn't affect them in the slightest.

If people can be arrested for this then I want every single tabloid and celebrity gossip magazine closed down and charged with being offensive.

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;38437191] my condolences to the families, but as for the soldiers, I can understand not wanting to desert from being drafted, but what the hell are they doing voluntarily in afghanistan these days [/QUOTE] 90% of the time (in this day and age) people do not join the army because of the war going on they think is honorable or something; it's to do with employment, experiences you are never going to get anywhere else, and maybe not knowing what you want to do with your life. I for one thing Afghanistan is a pointless war we shouldn't be involved with, but I'm still planning on joining the TA after UOTC and uni, and if we are still in that war or one similar and I'm asked to go then yeah I would.

You cant even claim that the holocaust was a lie in Germany. You get put in jail for that. If you complain about the UK, come to Germany dressed in SS uniform and shout some WW2 related BS. You will get arrested. In the USA there is actual free speech. You can do all of the above. Maybe get punched in the face, but that's it. The police can't do shit (as long as you dont threaten others.) This UK law is despicable, and the kid has every right to post that image and not be prosecuted. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country#Germany[/url] [QUOTE][I]Holocaust denial is punishable according to Section 130 subsection 3.[/I][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Twistshock;38419655]Wait, a picture of a burning poppy was offensive? A picture of a burning flower, seriously?[/QUOTE] in the united kingdom a poppy is symbolic of remembrance for fallen war veterans, and defacing a poppy is seen as highly offensive. [editline]14th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38436494]That's exactly the point. If he wants to disrespect the people that have died for the UK and Commonwealth then he is bloody well entitled to do that.[/QUOTE] i wholly agree, i think he's an absolute fucking cunt to do so, but that's my opinion of [I]his[/I] opinion. you can't just say "Stop doing that! you might offend someone! go to jail!". [editline]14th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Riller;38421041]Isn't it kind-of weird to use poppies as a symbol of memory to soldiers? I mean, I guess it's an older tradition, so it's not Afghanistan-related, but... The Taliban is pretty much running on opium-money, so it's kind of the flag of the enemy, innit? Or something like that, guess I'm reading too much into it.[/QUOTE] you're probably thinking of the Mujahideen, and you're thinking of the wrong decade. [editline]14th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=JustExtreme;38421016]Arresting someone for posting something "offensive"? "The scary thing is, the man wasn't arrested for burning a poppy - that's not illegal. He was arrested for putting it online." - Tom Williams "What was the point of winning either World War if, in 2012, someone can be casually arrested by Kent Police for burning a poppy?" - David Allen Green[/QUOTE] brb writing concept album about this

What kind of concept album :P

I know this guy personally, he's a imbred pikey... Kinda' deserved it tbh.

[QUOTE=kittykaty;38447948]I know this guy personally, he's a imbred pikey... Kinda' deserved it tbh.[/QUOTE] He deserved it because you don't like him? Doesn't work like that, you child.

Even if he did in your eyes, kittykaty, isn't it a bit much to accept this as a legal precedent for future arrests/cases?

[QUOTE=kittykaty;38447948]I know this guy personally, he's a imbred pikey... Kinda' deserved it tbh.[/QUOTE] By allowing the freedom of speech of someone else to be violated, you're making a rod for your own back. Don't do that.

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;38439600]90% of the time (in this day and age) people do not join the army because of the war going on they think is honorable or something; it's to do with employment, experiences you are never going to get anywhere else, and maybe not knowing what you want to do with your life. I for one thing Afghanistan is a pointless war we shouldn't be involved with, but I'm still planning on joining the TA after UOTC and uni, and if we are still in that war or one similar and I'm asked to go then yeah I would.[/QUOTE] I know, and imo that is a pretty poor choice. Not mine to make, of course. [QUOTE=Unsmart;38447459]You cant even claim that the holocaust was a lie in Germany. You get put in jail for that. If you complain about the UK, come to Germany dressed in SS uniform and shout some WW2 related BS. You will get arrested.[/QUOTE] No need for all that work, just raise your arm by 135°, same effect. One leftist group once got fined for using a [i]smashed[/i] swastika on a t-shirt design here :v:

Reminds me of the poor girl who put her rapist's name up on twitter, and now she's behind bars because of it :/