Stratfor emails hacked by Anonymous, released by Wikileaks, reveal secret, widespread TrapWire surve - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Morris Vander;37191188]"Source: Russia Today" Mhm, yeah, sorry if I don't believe an entirely anti-west news source when it's talking about America.[/QUOTE]Funny how its the ONLY NEWS ORGANIZATION that covers any wiki leaks related news whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;37192446]Nice job turning it into a conspiracy theory based on no factual information. Seriously, did you read the article at all? All it does is monitor high-risk locations, things like famous landmarks and high economic areas that would be very prone to terrorist attack. Unless your bedroom is at incredible risk of being blown up, they don't give a fuck about what you do. Stop trying to make it seem like the U.S. Gov't is trying to go Big Brother every chance they get. The only thing this system does is take normal security camera information, run a facial scanning system to see who you are, encrypts it, and then sends it back to the system storage. As for what if the system mistakes you for a terrorist? Well, first off, we've already established through the emails and information, that the system just uses the facial scanner to put a name to your face, probably labels you with a code. So say they see Civilian #2463 buying bomb supplies. They won't try and search for him until they have a good idea that he is actually a terrorist. As you can see from the response email, they're not making moves on people until they know for a fact that they could be terrorists. Honestly, the only information that can be hacked from this is if you were near any terrorist hotspot recently, and if you did anything suspicious. They're not going to make a move on you or anything and it's just for monitoring places. You shouldn't be doing something you want nobody to know about in the metro of NYC.[/QUOTE] No, that's just bullshit. Pull down all the cameras. We need privacy while being out in the public surrounded by people. /end sarcasm. [QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;37192453]I'm not aware or any terrorist plots being foiled due to surveillance, and my main concern with this system is that it isn't like the security cameras at a small store that keeps the video locally, but rather all the video from all the cameras it has (a lot) is all sent to a central location where it can identify everybody it records, and analyze their behavior and potentially mistake it as potentially criminal, and then having a whole train stopped and have SWAT rush in because some guy scratched his butt with the wrong hand[/QUOTE] Conspiracy theory nut much?

[QUOTE=zombojoe;37192137]It also doesn't bother you that they all have face recognition software and are all tied to a system that tracks all your digital activities, including your emails, online purchases and google searches? These are not just typical security cameras.[/QUOTE] Unless I'm mistaken and overlooked it somehow the article makes no mention of linking facial recognition to your web history. All this system does is take existing security cameras and automate the process of finding things that might be interesting to law enforcement.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;37192453]I'm not aware or any terrorist plots being foiled due to surveillance, and my main concern with this system is that it isn't like the security cameras at a small store that keeps the video locally, but rather all the video from all the cameras it has (a lot) is all sent to a central location where it can identify everybody it records, and analyze their behavior and potentially mistake it as potentially criminal, and then having a whole train stopped and have SWAT rush in because some guy scratched his butt with the wrong hand[/QUOTE] Did you read any of the information that basically states that the team surrounding this project spends a large amount of time watching the suspect before they make a move? You'd have to do a constant number of suspicious things before they even cared about you, and then they'd watch you. You're not going to be targeted for one activity. I mean, what things could you do that could be called terrorism that weren't actually terrorism?

[video=youtube;WOnQ8CD3v4g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOnQ8CD3v4g[/video]

[QUOTE=Loriborn;37192446]words words words[/QUOTE] I don't mean to come off as a crazy conspiracy theorist or anything like that, I just don't like the idea of it as a whole.

[QUOTE=TheTailor25;37192484][video=youtube;WOnQ8CD3v4g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOnQ8CD3v4g[/video][/QUOTE] How are you trying to use this? Because that's a fictional TV show... [QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;37192491]I don't mean to come off as a crazy conspiracy theorist or anything like that, I just don't like the idea of it as a whole.[/QUOTE] Are there people around when you're in public? Guess what, you're being watched. I don't even see how you get the idea that you'll be mistaken as a terrorist because the government has cameras in extremely high traffic areas that would make a great spot for a IED to go off at. Areas you're probably never been to. Also, it doesn't really matter how you meant to come off as, but you sound straight up like a conspiracy theorist.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;37192491]I don't mean to come off as a crazy conspiracy theorist or anything like that, I just don't like the idea of it as a whole.[/QUOTE] Personally, I like the idea of monitoring high-risk public locations for suspicious activity. It isn't invasive, since all it does is label a face with a code and then checks if that number does suspicious crap, (like place bombs) it works well and silently, and doesn't disrupt life like the TSA does. I prefer it to our current systems by far.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;37192465]Funny how its the ONLY NEWS ORGANIZATION that covers any wiki leaks related news whatsoever.[/QUOTE] Except for the Guardian and all those other ones right? [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18724328[/url] [url]http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/05/world/meast/uk-syria-wikileaks/index.html[/url] [url]http://www.rt.com/news/wikileaks-syria-files-revealed-478/[/url] [url]http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/wikileaks-releases-beat-the-blockade-benefit-cd-20120629[/url] [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-05/wikileaks-releases-syria-files/4113284[/url] [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2012/jul/05/syrians-paid-to-protests-assad-live[/url] You know you're actually a terrible poster, everything I've seen you post has been heavily leaning to either conspiracy theory or just outright dislike for higher authority.

ITT: Military Industry Complex and police-state supporters. Wikileaks has political objectives, yes, but the information they release is ALWAYS presented in a "read it yourself and form your own opinion" format. Just read the stuff yourselves. Most of it is boring, yeah, but I've been reading through some of it and it really paints a picture of the mental state of some of the people who work at these companies. It really reminds me of Fallout 3, going through the abandoned factories and such and going through the emails and documents. Anyways, not all of it is boring and some of it really is quite alarming. For instance: [url]https://twitter.com/kgosztola/status/234151979960655872[/url] Quit being so one-sided, wikileaks is on your guys' side whether you realize that or not, they're not a 'terrorist organization' or whatever BS you've been spoon fed by your government or the corporate owned media. Governments have been using psychological manipulation, disinformation campaigns and other counter-intelligence driven tactics for centuries, they're just good at it.

[QUOTE=Resfan;37192498]How are you trying to use this? Because that's a fictional TV show... [/QUOTE] Yeah well, but that show is relevant to this... [QUOTE]detailed surveillance system more accurate than modern facial recognition technology[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ybbats;37192549]ITT: Military Industry Complex and police-state supporters. Wikileaks has political objectives, yes, but the information they release is ALWAYS presented in a "read it yourself and form your own opinion" format. Just read the stuff yourselves. Most of it is boring, yeah, but I've been reading through some of it and it really paints a picture of the mental state of some of the people who work at these companies. It really reminds me of Fallout 3, going through the abandoned factories and such and going through the emails and documents. Anyways, not all of it is boring and some of it really is quite alarming. For instance: [url]https://twitter.com/kgosztola/status/234151979960655872[/url] Quit being so one-sided, wikileaks is on your guys' side whether you realize that or not, they're not a 'terrorist organization' or whatever BS you've been spoon fed by your government or the corporate owned media. Governments have been using psychological manipulation, disinformation campaigns and other counter-intelligence driven tactics for centuries, they're just good at it.[/QUOTE] Just cut the shit posts short and type "OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE!" next time.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37192530]You know you're actually a terrible poster, everything I've seen you post has been heavily leaning to either conspiracy theory or just outright dislike for higher authority.[/QUOTE] Wow, way to judge me based on ONE argument we've had that I've been on the other side of.

How about you both stop making personal attacks and referencing said personal attacks because it's the worst way to contribute to a conversation/argument.

[QUOTE=Resfan;37192498]Are there people around when you're in public? Guess what, you're being watched.[/QUOTE] Yes, but it's not like everybody who you've been in contact with sends out a questionnaire about what you've been doing.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37192573]Just cut the shit posts short and type "OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE!" next time.[/QUOTE]When's the last time a terrorist attack directly affected you, I'm curious. You seem so concerned about a problem that doesn't even exist. Why don't you go work for Stratfor if you're so concerned. So sorry I'm actually trying to defend rights I DO have and that ARE being taken away.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;37192601]Yes, but it's not like everybody who you've been in contact with sends out a questionnaire about what you've been doing.[/QUOTE] Neither does this system. It literally does just as much as normal people. It looks at you, labels you with a piece of code, and then sends out if you've done bad shit. Literally, it's no more invasive than security guard, or even just normal people. [editline]12th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ybbats;37192605]When's the last time a terrorist attack directly affected you, I'm curious. You seem so concerned about a problem that doesn't even exist. Why don't you go work for Stratfor if you're so concerned. So sorry I'm actually trying to defend rights I DO have and that ARE being taken away.[/QUOTE] Please tell me what right is being taken away from you? FYI, there is no such thing as "Right to privacy in a public location."

[QUOTE=Ybbats;37192579]Wow, way to judge me based on ONE argument we've had that I've been on the other side of.[/QUOTE] Two now, you're absolutely convinced 100% as far as I can tell that the government is out to enslave everyone through their wicked nefarious ways and that Wikileaks are the paragons of humanity that we should all aspire to be, despite the fact that on multiple occasions they have released information without checking through it to remove the names of contacts and released important information that is vital to current operations. I'm pretty sure when they released a ton of info a year or so ago they ended up releasing a massive list of around one thousand contacts that the US intelligence guys had in Afghanistan and the rest of the Middle East, forcing the army to perform a massive amount of damage control just to make sure that the Taliban and Al Queda and other similar groups didn't find them and murder them in the streets. Don't get me wrong, I like what wikileaks does, they find these schemes and these hidden crimes and throw them kicking and screaming into the light, but they're careless.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;37192614]Neither does this system. It literally does just as much as normal people. It looks at you, labels you with a piece of code, and then sends out if you've done bad shit. Literally, it's no more invasive than security guard, or even just normal people.[/QUOTE] The cameras send everything they record, they themselves don't analyze the behavior. Every few seconds, the data is encrypted and then sent to a central database, so all the video it picks up is stored at the centers. Though for all I know it gets tossed as soon as it thinks it's not related to terrorism, but the article didn't say anything on that matter.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;37192662]The cameras send everything they record, they themselves don't analyze the behavior. Every few seconds, the data is encrypted and then sent to a central database, so all the video it picks up is stored at the centers. Though for all I know it gets tossed as soon as it thinks it's not related to terrorism, but the article didn't say anything on that matter.[/QUOTE] But I still don't understand what activities you are doing in public land around high-profile targets like The Pentagon that makes you so afraid of this system.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;37192674]But I still don't understand what activities you are doing in public land around high-profile targets like The Pentagon that makes you so afraid of this system.[/QUOTE] Just forget it with that guy. He's a conspiracy theorist.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;37192614]Neither does this system. It literally does just as much as normal people. It looks at you, labels you with a piece of code, and then sends out if you've done bad shit. Literally, it's no more invasive than security guard, or even just normal people. [editline]12th August 2012[/editline] Please tell me what right is being taken away from you? FYI, there is no such thing as "Right to privacy in a public location."[/QUOTE]From what I understand, they take clients, offer to connect their security camera systems to their Tripwire network, the camera data is encrypted and sent to Tripwire every few seconds or so, their network 'analyzes' (probably a computer process) and looks for patterns in behaviour of persons and vehicles, as well as cross-checking it with other cameras in the area. If it detects patterns that indicate a possible risk, they relay a warning back to the originating source. And they send an officer or security personnel to check it out or whatever they feel like doing. It's really not very original, I've had similar ideas, although its done on a HUGE scale, I think the entire city of New York has their camera system hooked to it. But still, the massive scale, and the fact that their own business executives make statements like this: [url]https://twitter.com/kgosztola/status/234151979960655872[/url] are really the only reason I'm so disgusted by this company, but I know this is always a risk in security companies like these, their main concern is money and signing new clients, so fear is a good thing for them. Same reason I dislike assholes like Cheney being in positions powerful enough to start wars, they do it cause it brings them money and pleasure. "Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose - and you allow him to make war at pleasure. " -Abraham Lincoln

[QUOTE=Loriborn;37192674]But I still don't understand what activities you are doing in public land around high-profile targets like The Pentagon that makes you so afraid of this system.[/QUOTE] It's not just the pentagon and white house and other very high value areas, but also more public areas like subway trains and banks. Also I'm not really afraid of it, I'm just uncomfortable with it. [QUOTE=Ybbats;37192605]So sorry I'm actually trying to defend rights I DO have and that ARE being taken away.[/QUOTE] All the video is recoded in public places, which is perfectly legal.

War-mongering and fear; they're the new nationalism and pride!

[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;37192713]It's not just the pentagon and white house and other very high value areas, but also more public areas like subway trains and banks. Also I'm not really afraid of it, I'm just uncomfortable with it. [/QUOTE] Why are you uncomfortable with it? What are YOU doing exactly that makes you uncomfortable about being recorded? If you aren't doing anything wrong or suspicious, then what's the problem? [QUOTE=Ybbats;37192726]War-mongering and fear; they're the new nationalism and pride![/QUOTE] Are you stupid?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;37192713]All the video is recoded in public places, which is perfectly legal.[/QUOTE]Was arguing with that idiot who's name I forgot about a different topic, not related to this.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;37192707]From what I understand, they take clients, offer to connect their security camera systems to their Tripwire network, the camera data is encrypted and sent to Tripwire every few seconds or so, their network 'analyzes' (probably a computer process) and looks for patterns in behaviour of persons and vehicles, as well as cross-checking it with other cameras in the area. If it detects patterns that indicate a possible risk, they relay a warning back to the originating source. And they send an officer or security personnel to check it out or whatever they feel like doing. It's really not very original, I've had similar ideas, although its done on a HUGE scale, I think the entire city of New York has their camera system hooked to it. But still, the massive scale, and the fact that their own business executives make statements like this: [url]https://twitter.com/kgosztola/status/234151979960655872[/url] are really the only reason I'm so disgusted by this company, but I know this is always a risk in security companies like these, their main concern is money and signing new clients, so fear is a good thing for them. Same reason I dislike assholes like Cheney being in positions powerful enough to start wars, they do it cause it brings them money and pleasure. "Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose - and you allow him to make war at pleasure. " -Abraham Lincoln[/QUOTE] While I agree that Twitter quote was in bad taste, it in no way means that our privacy is being invaded. Honestly, almost every big business cares more about making money than anything else, it's not morally fantastic, but that's how the world works because we aren't in a Utopian society. [editline]12th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;37192713]It's not just the pentagon and white house and other very high value areas, but also more public areas like subway trains and banks. Also I'm not really afraid of it, I'm just uncomfortable with it.[/QUOTE] These places, subways and trains and banks already have these systems installed, especially the places you listed. The only difference is now they have a central database to compare results. It's better because now they can actually say "Oh, citizen #53582 isn't a terrorist, he was just getting money out of the bank to buy a car" rather than working on piece by piece information that they have to assume most of the information.

[QUOTE=Resfan;37192728]Why are you uncomfortable with it? What are YOU doing exactly that makes you uncomfortable about being recorded? If you aren't doing anything wrong or suspicious, then what's the problem? Are you stupid?[/QUOTE]I have my own views on the way security should be provided, I'm not being or saying anything stupid. Do you know how big a drain this 'war on terror' is on our countries debt? And all we ever get to show for it is more military equipped police and a constant infringing of our rights through laws like the Patriot act and NDAA.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;37192737]Was arguing with that idiot who's name I forgot about a different topic, not related to this.[/QUOTE] Don't bring other arguments into a thread, we have enough arguing about one as it is.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;37192738]While I agree that Twitter quote was in bad taste, it in no way means that our privacy is being invaded. Honestly, almost every big business cares more about making money than anything else, it's not morally fantastic, but that's how the world works because we aren't in a Utopian society.[/QUOTE]Well then quit compromising with the enemy and you'll be a lot closer to a solution than you are now.