[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;24687468]I really really hope he gets off without any punishment.
There should be no fucking punishment for defending yourself from a bunch of killers.
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It was probably a semi-automatic.[/QUOTE]
That, or he had a Class Three Firearms license. From the sound of it, he's the kind of person who would pass the background check.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;24688291]Nor would any other person with any shred of knowledge of the law.[/QUOTE]
The law is wrong.
I am sure if the used a shotgun or something there was no problem.
An automatic weapon is illegal to have i think. Or perhaps just in some states (they do have those full automatic shootouts every now and then at gun ranges..).
But yeah, Gran Torino isn't exactly the example of how to do it either. [sp]because it involves you getting killed[/sp]
Homeowner did the right thing.
[editline]05:52PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=sami-pso;24689820]I am sure if the used a shotgun or something there was no problem.
An automatic weapon is illegal to have i think. Or perhaps just in some states (they do have those full automatic shootouts every now and then at gun ranges..).
But yeah, Gran Torino isn't exactly the example of how to do it either. [sp]because it involves you getting killed[/sp][/QUOTE]
You know all AKs and variants aren't fully automatic by default right?
[editline]05:54PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;24689561]That, or he had a Class Three Firearms license. From the sound of it, he's the kind of person who would pass the background check.[/QUOTE]
You don't "get a class 3 license" normal citizens who aren't a gun dealer don't have them. You go to a gun dealer who has the dealers class 3 license, you setup a deal with him and send in an application for you to be allowed to purchase the full auto.
Almost as retarded as self defense laws in some states.
He protected his family and his property without harming any-one at all, yet he gets charged?
What the fuck are you guys on about, how in christsake was he protecting his family?
There was a possibility of a threat, there wasn't actually a threat at the time. He didn't even see if they were armed or not you dumbfucks.
He fired a high powered assault rifle out onto the street where there could have been innocent bystanders, the ricochet could have injured someone he could have missed and hit a civilian.
HE WAS NOT PROVOKED.
He should have barricaded himself upstairs, found a choke point and waiting until the police arrived.
If they had entered his house then he would have had the right to open fire on them.
Warning shots funnily enough aren't fucking legal.
damn, what did he do to piss of that entire gang
[QUOTE=Broni;24690565]What the fuck are you guys on about, how in christsake was he protecting his family?
[B]There was a possibility of a threat, there wasn't actually a threat at the time.[/B] He didn't even see if they were armed or not you dumbfucks.
He fired a high powered assault rifle out onto the street where there could have been innocent bystanders, the ricochet could have injured someone he could have missed and hit a civilian.
[B]HE WAS NOT PROVOKED.[/B]
He should have barricaded himself upstairs, found a choke point and waiting until the police arrived.
If they had entered his house then he would have had the right to open fire on them.
Warning shots funnily enough aren't fucking legal.[/QUOTE]
While I think it's pretty stupid to shoot a large caliber rifle like that without considering the consequences, I also think that a bunch of gang members shouting death threats should be considered threatening and dangerous.
This is probably one of the incredibly rare instances where having a weapon like an AK 47 for self defense is completely and utterly justified.
[QUOTE=Aman V;24690093]You know all AKs and variants aren't fully automatic by default right?
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Hardly anyone knows the difference and if you explain it to them they ignore it anyway.
[QUOTE=Broni;24690565]What the fuck are you guys on about, how in christsake was he protecting his family?
There was a possibility of a threat, there wasn't actually a threat at the time. He didn't even see if they were armed or not you dumbfucks.
He fired a high powered assault rifle out onto the street where there could have been innocent bystanders, the ricochet could have injured someone he could have missed and hit a civilian.
HE WAS NOT PROVOKED.
He should have barricaded himself upstairs, found a choke point and waiting until the police arrived.
If they had entered his house then he would have had the right to open fire on them.
Warning shots funnily enough aren't fucking legal.[/QUOTE]
Now, normally I might be on your side, but twenty dumbass gang banger motherfuckers aren't something to take lightly. And I doubt he had the tactical training to defend his house from a full on assault.
[editline]06:32PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=gparent;24689540]How is it a fantasy to stay in your house when you're being attacked by a gang? It's fucking common sense! You shoot if they try to come in, you don't go outside and hang out in the doorway.
If you had the right to do it, you wouldn't be in jail. What you meant to say was "I _should_ have the right to do so!", and I'd agree with you there.[/QUOTE]
Once they're in the house, you're kind of fucked. You lose your range advantage, which is the only one you really have.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24690750]
Once they're in the house, you're kind of fucked. You lose your range advantage, which is the only one you really have.[/QUOTE]
You don't wait until they break in, you wait until they try to break in. But yeah, if you live in a really tiny house, that might not work. From the article, it sounds like they were already pretty close though.
[QUOTE=Paravin;24689070]Why does a civilian own a god damn assault rifle?[/QUOTE]
It's not an assault rifle. It would need to have a fire selector switch. The assault rifle version of the AK-47 is fully-automatic and semi-automatic. You need to have a tax stamp (Hurr durr license) to own any fully automatic weapon. The fire arm the guy used to defend his property and family was the semi-automatic variant.
Moreover, in some states they have them outright banned, I think NY is one of those states, so even if he did have the tax stamp he wouldn't be able to own one.
I read about this last night. Sad times we live in where it's illegal to defend yourself from bloodthirsty thugs.
Okay, I'll stretch here and say that if they tried to break in I would have opened fire.
I wouldn't have opened fire on a bunch of faggots stood on the road shouting stupid threats.
I might have watched too many action films but I would have found a chokepoint in my house (Like the stairs), called the police and waited.
If one of the cocksuckers got in my sights I would drop them and I'm sure the rest would go tear off at the sight of their homie's head popping open.
Who gives a shit if they are "Badass" gangbangers, it's simple procedure even in a break in.
BARRICADE YOURSELF IN A ROOM.
Considering the fact that they might have been armed this isn't a viable option..
So man up, barricade your family in the bedroom and set up at a chokepoint.
Even badass gangbangers can't argue with Mr. 7.62
I understand his logic, the reason he fired the shots was to attract the police. Then again, wouldn't the same have happened if he called 911 and reported shots fired?
It may have not been true but he would have got in alot less trouble than opening up over his front lawn.
[QUOTE=Broni;24691061]Okay, I'll stretch here and say that if they tried to break in I would have opened fire.
I wouldn't have opened fire on a bunch of faggots stood on the road shouting stupid threats.
[/QUOTE]
They were on his property.
[QUOTE=Broni;24691061]Okay, I'll stretch here and say that if they tried to break in I would have opened fire.
I wouldn't have opened fire on a bunch of faggots stood on the road shouting stupid threats.
I might have watched too many action films but I would have found a chokepoint in my house (Like the stairs), called the police and waited.
If one of the cocksuckers got in my sights I would drop them and I'm sure the rest would go tear off at the sight of their homie's head popping open.
Who gives a shit if they are "Badass" gangbangers, it's simple procedure even in a break in.
BARRICADE YOURSELF IN A ROOM.
Considering the fact that they might have been armed this isn't a viable option..
So man up, barricade your family in the bedroom and set up at a chokepoint.
Even badass gangbangers can't argue with Mr. 7.62
I understand his logic, the reason he fired the shots was to attract the police. Then again, wouldn't the same have happened if he called 911 and reported shots fired?
It may have not been true but he would have got in alot less trouble than opening up over his front lawn.[/QUOTE]
no, you really wouldn't
you'd be scared out of your wits and wouldn't think logically
[B]you would open fire[/B]
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also if this was in Britain he'd be jailed, no questions asked
it's illegal to open fire if they're in your house for christ's sake (unless they've already pulled a gun on you, by which time it's too late.)
They were on his property not IN his property.
Sorry, a bunch of faggots standing outside my house screaming death threat's wouldn't scare me to the point of lacking logical thinking.
It would definitely if I didn't have Mr. AK47 with me, but considering the fact that this guy was locked and loaded, he should have stayed cool.
The last thing you should do in a situation like that is panic and push aside rational thinking, which is exactly what he did and paid the price.
Look at it this way, he ended up with a larger punishment than the "Baddass Gangbangers" did. What if he'd actually shot one of them? He'd be facing a fucking murder charge right now rather than justifiable homicide if they'd tried to enter his property.
Way to go idiot.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;24691185]no, you really wouldn't
you'd be scared out of your wits and wouldn't think logically
[B]you would open fire[/B][/QUOTE]
This. In a situation the said person was in there was a chance that he and his family could get killed. In that kind of a moment, adrenaline kicks in, panic kicks in, and it's impossible to think straight anymore. You are just focused on one thing: Protecting yourself and your family. It's the basic nature a human does for survival, besides, do you think that diplomacy and delaying would work when the said gangbangers have outnumbered you?
[QUOTE=croguy;24691283]This. In a situation the said person was in there was a chance that he and his family could get killed. In that kind of a moment, adrenaline kicks in, panic kicks in, and it's impossible to think straight anymore. You are just focused on one thing: Protecting yourself and your family. It's the basic nature a human does for survival, besides, do you think that diplomacy and delaying would work when the said gangbangers have outnumbered you?[/QUOTE]
Have you ever been in a high stress situation in your life?
Adrenline SHARPENS YOU UP.
His family wasn't in direct danger, it was the possibility of.
You are only allowed to fire upon someone if they put you or another persons life in IMMEDIATE DANGER.
Adrenaline is not a fucking excuse to act like Rambo.
[QUOTE=Broni;24691266]They were on his property not IN his property.
Sorry, a bunch of faggots standing outside my house screaming death threat's wouldn't scare me to the point of lacking logical thinking.
It would definitely if I didn't have Mr. AK47 with me, but considering the fact that this guy was locked and loaded, he should have stayed cool.
The last thing you should do in a situation like that is panic and push aside rational thinking, which is exactly what he did and paid the price.
Look at it this way, he ended up with a larger punishment than the "Baddass Gangbangers" did. What if he'd actually shot one of them? He'd be facing a fucking murder charge right now rather than justifiable homicide if they'd tried to enter his property.
Way to go idiot.[/QUOTE]
you do realise they weren't just "a bunch of faggots". they were members of the biggest gang in new york state for christ's sake. one person even said they have a military-like structure; they would have been armed to the teeth
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;24691326]you do realise they weren't just "a bunch of faggots". they were members of the biggest gang in new york state for christ's sake. one person even said they have a military-like structure; they would have been armed to the teeth[/QUOTE]
That makes, what difference?
[QUOTE=Broni;24691315]Have you ever been in a high stress situation in your life?
Adrenline SHARPENS YOU UP.[/QUOTE]
my god do you not know how evolution works
"shit shit there's a mammoth charging into my cave. better make sure he crosses the threshold before I attack though! :downs:"
[QUOTE=faze;24688199]Don't need a license for a semi-auto rifle. Basically gun laws work like this... Pistols need to be registered, this is the same in all states, and require a waiting period, usually one week. Rifles can be purchased and taken home the same day, and don't need to be registered. Pistols require a carry permit in most states, and some states it's almost impossible to get a carry permit. Fully automatic weapons require you to pay for a full auto license. Maryland is $200 for a lifetime. Not sure about other states.[/QUOTE]
In TN I can buy pistols just like rifles. There is no waiting period or registration.
In NC pistols aren't registered. You simply need to apply for a voucher to purchase one. The voucher isn't specific to a certain pistol. If you have a carry permit in NC, then you aren't required to obtain a voucher at all.
Many places don't actually even have laws against open carry of firearms, but it's still generally not a good idea to do so.
You do not buy a "full auto license". There are certain dealer permits which allow you to possess a fully automatic weapon, but you must actually be a dealer. For civilians you must purchase a 200 dollar tax stamp from the ATF in order to purchase one of the fully automatic weapons made before 1986 that are still in circulation. The tax stamp is not a license.
[QUOTE=Broni;24691315]Have you ever been in a high stress situation in your life?
Adrenline SHARPENS YOU UP.[/QUOTE]
Well, sharpening up during a stressfull situation against people that picketed or threatened me usually meant beating the living shit out of the opposing side, and I'm talking about five or so tough guys. So you'd probably expect me to shoot those guys without doubt if they'd put me or my family in danger.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;24691326]you do realise they weren't just "a bunch of faggots". they were members of the biggest gang in new york state for christ's sake. one person even said they have a military-like structure; they would have been armed to the teeth[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this.
[QUOTE=Broni;24691355]That makes, what difference?[/QUOTE]
"some faggots" would imply they're just a bunch of drunken youths stirring up trouble. "gang members" implies that it's very likely that they would kill you
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;24691364]my god do you not know how evolution works
"shit shit there's a mammoth charging into my cave. better make sure he crosses the threshold before I attack though! :downs:"[/QUOTE]
That is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Funnily enough buddy I don't think the caveman got sent to JAIL for MURDER when he killed the mammoth.
There is also the fundemental rule that if you don't intend to kill someone, YOU SHOULDN'T BE PULLING THE TRIGGER.
Who's to say that they wouldn't have returned fire and stormed his house if they are so well organized and militaristic? Which they would have had every right to do in considering he fired FIRST. He put his whole family in a shitload more danger by opening fire.
What this man did was the equivalent of hitting a hornets nest with a sledgehammer.
Stop talking out of your ass.
[QUOTE=Broni;24691386]That is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Funnily enough buddy I don't think the caveman got sent to JAIL for MURDER when he killed the mammoth.
There is also the fundemental rule that if you don't intend to kill someone, YOU SHOULDN'T BE PULLING THE TRIGGER.[/QUOTE]
No, I was refuting your statement that adrenaline sharpens you wits. It does to an extent, but only in terms of tactical decision-making that results in you not dying.
[editline]08:11PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Broni;24691386]That is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Funnily enough buddy I don't think the caveman got sent to JAIL for MURDER when he killed the mammoth.
There is also the fundemental rule that if you don't intend to kill someone, YOU SHOULDN'T BE PULLING THE TRIGGER.[/QUOTE]
And I don't think the guy cared about getting sent to jail at the time. I think going to jail is a preferable alternative to being shot and bleeding to death, don't you think?
Fire at the grass to scare them away - Arrested
Wait for them to come in side to shoot and..
A) Hit them - Arrested
B) Miss - You're dead or arrested for threatening them
Do what is legally acceptable to do - Hope they have bad aim
Well personally I'd be thinking logically enough to not open fire on a bunch of guys who are armed to the teeth and may or may not have any hesitation in storming my house and killing me and my family.
If they entered his actual domicile and he'd opened fire and killed them he most likely would have got off with justifiable homicide.
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