Also ms-13 is a serious threat, they're renowned for their style of violence.
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ahaha brilliant timing uber eh?
Most of the gang members that formed MS-13 were Guatemalan rebels, who were renown for their style of killing soldiers and government officials.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24693390]Do you know what MS-13 does to people when they want them killed?
They torture them for hours, and when it finally comes to killing time they stab them 13 times, and cut their head off.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, maybe to important people. They're not going to waste their time on every single person.
How is this even debatable?? 20 gang members were about to attack him and he was just supposed to stay in his house?
[QUOTE=rnate;24693526]Uhh, maybe to important people. They're not going to waste their time on every single person.[/QUOTE]
No, with less important murders they do the normal drive by shooting or stabbing. Its how MS-13 kills people. No matter who they kill, they stab them exactly 13 times.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24693581]No, with less important murders they do the normal drive by shooting or stabbing. Its how MS-13 kills people. No matter who they kill, they stab them exactly 13 times.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I wasn't aware you were in the MS-13. My bad. And you contradicted yourself, you said 'they do a normal drive by shooting or stabbing' then said 'no matter who they kill, they stab them exactly 13 times.' I have alot of trouble believing that (let's say they're robbing some drug dealer) they go in, shoot up the place, then they're going to go and stab every guy 13 times, and behead him? I doubt it.
[quote]Duty-to-retreat: You're legally required to retreat from your home if an intruder is attempting to commit a felony inside, if you are unable to retreat you must state your intention to use deadly force before doing so. Warning shots are illegal and brandishing the weapon can be result in criminal charges against you.[/quote]
Oh wow. Just reading that makes me angry a bit. Yeah so a burglar breaks into MY home to steal MY property and possibly intentionally or unintentionally hurt MY family, so my course of action is supposed to be roll over and take it? If I do something to try and stop this CRIMINAL, the criminal pretty much is now the victim? oh yeah
[I]":frown: I broke into a guys house and stole his cash and valuables, but he pointed a gun at me and told me to get on the ground that's not fair! I want compensation!"[/I]
Fuck you I will defend my home and my family not crawl out the window and give up
[QUOTE=rnate;24693036]I'm glad I live in South Dakota and there's no gangsters here, just wanksters who'd shit themselves if I even pulled my shotgun out.[/QUOTE]
I hear ya. There are a few so called "gangs" the further west you go though. They are mostly all Native-American wannabes. Sioux Falls has minor problems too.. I talked to the head of the gang unit once. He worked at Menard's.
[QUOTE=rnate;24693748]Oh, I wasn't aware you were in the MS-13. My bad. And you contradicted yourself, you said 'they do a normal drive by shooting or stabbing' then said 'no matter who they kill, they stab them exactly 13 times.' I have alot of trouble believing that (let's say they're robbing some drug dealer) they go in, shoot up the place, then they're going to go and stab every guy 13 times, and behead him? I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
Duuh because nobody has observed their killings.
[QUOTE=gparent;24687170]Go out on the street and shoot a few .45 rounds at random on the driveway.
Tell me if the people around you don't find it a big deal.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but if a big gang is threatening you and your family it would be a different story.
The most I think this guy deserves is a fine for discharging a firearm within town limits, IF that. His intent was obviously not to hurt anyone.
pft niga in south africa wen ur family r threaten, u maek ur own gang an fite of teh oppresors blk powahh11!
This is so wrong.
what the fuck these cops are all democratic pussy faggots
fuck the police 2nd amendment tattooed on my forehead
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;24687456]I thought full automatic weapons were illegal to be owned?
I don't know much about gun laws in america.
Oh nevermind, he got the gun legally.[/QUOTE]
Fully automatic guns require a federal license and loads of paperwork. You can get a semi-automatic gun much more easily.
[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;24692893]
Duty-to-retreat: You're legally required to retreat from your home if an intruder is attempting to commit a felony inside, if you are unable to retreat you must state your intention to use deadly force before doing so. Warning shots are illegal and brandishing the weapon can be result in criminal charges against you.
States with duty-to-retreat laws:
Iowa
Nebraska
New Hampshire
New Mexaco
Nevada
Virginia
Vermont
District of Columbia.
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Its funny how sucky New Hampshire's law is when they are pretty lax about guns. Hell a lot of people in Massachusetts drive up to New Hampshire to buy guns
Really, there's no point in debating against the guy. He was threatened by 20 men standing outside his house, shouting death threats at him and his family. There was no [i]immediate[/i] danger, but any person in a situation like that who has a gun would fire it. It's pretty amazing he had the restraint to even fire warning shots instead of killing them then and there. Hearing how the MS-13 kill their victims, I would have tried to stand my ground as well.
Warning shots are illegal everywhere, he got his punishment. He protected his family but payed the price.
Lol "AK-47 assault rifle".
Most likely "some cheap SKS".
[QUOTE=gparent;24687170]Go out on the street and shoot a few .45 rounds at random on the driveway.
Tell me if the people around you don't find it a big deal.[/QUOTE]
YES, 'CAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE DID! You fucking imbecile...
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He was shooting at his own property, even if there weren't any gangsters there he should be able to shoot his weapon which he has rights to at his own property. This is not about what's "smart" or "the best thing to do", this is about him being unfairly charged with something he shouldn't be charged with in America. Duty-to-retreat is garbage but it is the states' rights to put it into force, NY doesn't have the Duty-to-retreat law so he has the right.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24696249]YES, 'CAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE DID! You fucking imbecile...
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So were they actually armed or
[QUOTE=mastermaul;24696163]Lol "AK-47 assault rifle".
Most likely "some cheap SKS".[/QUOTE]
Pretty hard to confuse an [URL="http://surv1vor.tripod.com/SKSsniper.jpg"]SKS[/URL] with [URL="http://geopolicraticus.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/ak47.jpg"]an AK47[/URL].
[QUOTE=James*;24697203]So were they actually armed or[/QUOTE]
Will you read the OP or
[QUOTE=Broni;24691632]For the sake of argument lets say every other bullet is a kill.
I'm pretty sure he'd have time to reload as they tried to scramble over their 15 dead friends.
What MS13 do to people?
I'd love to show them what I'd do to each and every single one of them if they tried to hurt me or my family, I'd open each one of them up with my bare hands and have a damn bath in their organs.
You talk about the survival instinct well if someone put the people I love in IMMEDIATE danger I would have no moral quandry with doing the kind of shit that would make Satan cry.[/QUOTE]
You're not Arnold Schwarzenegger in the movie Collateral Damage. And to the looks of it, you're comparing the MS-13 to a couple of young teenage hooligans. Have you ever seen what MS-13 does to people? The silliness you posted is the exact same concept they'd force on you. Nonetheless, the home owner did the right thing. The gang members trespassed his property who were perceived as dangerous and threatening, and for all you could know, they could've been armed. No one is that stupid hiding in a house in a room waiting for these gang members to break in and take an advantage over you and your family.
[QUOTE=rnate;24697617]Pretty hard to confuse an [URL="http://surv1vor.tripod.com/SKSsniper.jpg"]SKS[/URL] with [URL="http://geopolicraticus.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/ak47.jpg"]an AK47[/URL].
Will you read the OP or[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=rnate;24693748]Oh, I wasn't aware you were in the MS-13. My bad. And you contradicted yourself, you said 'they do a normal drive by shooting or stabbing' then said 'no matter who they kill, they stab them exactly 13 times.' I have alot of trouble believing that (let's say they're robbing some drug dealer) they go in, shoot up the place, then they're going to go and stab every guy 13 times, and behead him? I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
They are one of the most dangerous and widespread gangs in the US.
Read up on them. They are brutal murderers.
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They are notorious for their use of violence and a subcultural moral code that predominantly consists of merciless revenge and cruel retributions.
This excessive cruelty of the distinguished members of the "Maras" or "Mareros", earned them a path to be recruited by the criminal organization of Sinaloa, Joaquin Guzman, to be trained in handling weapons and counter the force from the Gulf Organization (Los Zetas), a war that rages south of the United States Border.
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13[/url]
[QUOTE=rnate;24697617]Will you read the OP or[/QUOTE]
If you read it you would realise I did and that it didn't say, that's why I asked
Everyone here seems pretty convinced there was some sort of heavily armed militia carrying out a siege
20 gang members are around my house i guess i should tell them to go away nicely?? maybe that will work
[QUOTE=HkSniper;24688291]You only use your weapon when you feel you are in danger. Verbal threats are not a danger. No matter how many people it is coming from.[/QUOTE]
What would stop them from getting their own guns and shooting up the whole house? This is MS-13 we're talking about, not some kids.
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