NVIDIA's Strong-arm Tactics - How they treat GPU Partners and Media - Polidicks

[QUOTE=garrynohome;37306784]I remember that. Nvidia told OEMs to replace cards even if they were out of warranty, I got a brand new GTX 460 to replace my GTX 260 because it was old and out of production. Oh man what a horrible evil company.[/QUOTE] i wish i knew about that :c

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Tweaktown sounds similar to Gizmodo; they have a huge sense of entitlement and will do anything to break a story.

[QUOTE=garrynohome;37306784]I remember that. Nvidia told OEMs to replace cards even if they were out of warranty, I got a brand new GTX 460 to replace my GTX 260 because it was old and out of production. Oh man what a horrible evil company.[/QUOTE] Pretty much every OEM everywhere does this with all parts.

Call me bias, but I just think ATI/AMD just seem like a much nicer company. nVidia's always felt a little underhanded and money grubbing to me. Kind of like Apple, except nVidia still makes nice products (unlike the majority of apples (yes this is my opinion, sue me)).

court date is October 31st, wear a good costume

[QUOTE=Dj-J3;37306572]Poor reasoning, don't you think?[/QUOTE] Maybe on it's own, but throw in better ATI pricing and performance per watt and dollar, and it was basically a no-brainer. This was the 4850 era, mind you.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;37307468]Pretty much every OEM everywhere does this with all parts.[/QUOTE] That wasn't the point. The point was that they didn't just say "lol your cards are dead have a nice day" they were replaced. The fact that I got a newer card was to point out that his 8600GT would probably have been replaced with something newer.

[QUOTE=garrynohome;37307752]That wasn't the point. The point was that they didn't just say "lol your cards are dead have a nice day" they were replaced. The fact that I got a newer card was to point out that his 8600GT would probably have been replaced with something newer.[/QUOTE] And my point is that AMD / ATI / INTEL / WHOEVERTHEFUCK would also replace it, and since most people who buy OEM machines don't know / care to update their drivers, it would be a custom built issue, and you'd have to try to RMA it or some shit, which would be next to impossible.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;37307492]Call me bias, but I just think ATI/AMD just seem like a much nicer company. nVidia's always felt a little underhanded and money grubbing to me. Kind of like Apple, except nVidia still makes nice products (unlike the majority of apples (yes this is my opinion, sue me)).[/QUOTE] I certainly enjoy AMD's better prices.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;37306537]This thread also reminds me why I bought ATI 2 years ago and why I will keep buying AMD/ATI GPUs.[/QUOTE] I guess I like their business practices better but they're kind of a pain in the ass compared to nvidia cards. It seems like they have more problems with drivers and a lot of games have issues exclusive to ati/amd. I have one and it works alright but I'm kind of regretful because of the issues.

As much as I like what AMD does, their drivers are just awful. My 4850 ownership was the worst experience with a card I've ever had. I even had one of their drivers put my computer into a blue screen loop. It's a shame, because the performance was good when it worked. My current Nvidia GTX 480 hasn't given me any problems for 2 years now.

[QUOTE=ice445;37308533]As much as I like what AMD does, their drivers are just awful. My 4850 ownership was the worst experience with a card I've ever had. I even had one of their drivers put my computer into a blue screen loop. It's a shame, because the performance was good when it worked. My current Nvidia GTX 480 hasn't given me any problems for 2 years now.[/QUOTE] I can confirm the driver part. While I have not had any problems with AMD drivers on Windows they are a massive pain in the ass on Linux. Their support for their drivers is horrid and their OpenGL support is not really on the same level as Nvidia's support for OpenGL so [i]shit hits the fan[/i] (if you do something wrong). Other than I haven't had any problems with their Windows drivers and I would pick a 6950 over a 560 ti especially since my 6950 can turn into a 6970 with a flip of a switch (not exaggerating). [b]tl;dr:[/b] Compared to Nvidia, AMD's drivers on Linux is shit but works fine on Windows.

[QUOTE=Bumrang;37308723]I can confirm the driver part. While I have not had any problems with AMD drivers on Windows they are a massive pain in the ass on Linux. Their support for their drivers is horrid and their OpenGL support is not really on the same level as Nvidia's support for OpenGL so [i]shit hits the fan[/i] (if you do something wrong). Other than I haven't had any problems with their Windows drivers and I would pick a 6950 over a 560 ti especially since my 6950 can turn into a 6970 with a flip of a switch (not exaggerating). [b]tl;dr:[/b] Compared to Nvidia, AMD's drivers on Linux is shit but works fine on Windows.[/QUOTE] I've had a poor experience on Windows, so that's what I'm going off of. But yes, overclocking is nice. With only a cooler modification, I have my 480 running a bit faster than a stock GTX 580.

[QUOTE=ice445;37308777]I've had a poor experience on Windows, so that's what I'm going off of. But yes, overclocking is nice. With only a cooler modification, I have my 480 running a bit faster than a stock GTX 580.[/QUOTE] I was talking about the physical switch on my card that switches between 6950/70 BIOS but yeah that works too :v: Anyways this is getting somewhat off-topic, if you want to talk about it more lets head to H&S.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;37308352]I guess I like their business practices better but they're kind of a pain in the ass compared to nvidia cards. It seems like they have more problems with drivers and a lot of games have issues exclusive to ati/amd. I have one and it works alright but I'm kind of regretful because of the issues.[/QUOTE] when you update drivers, do you uninstall the old ones? That is often recommended but note that you should uninstall them normally, don't use driver sweeper or ccleaner or lots of crap will happen

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;37308206]I certainly enjoy AMD's better prices.[/QUOTE] Just on a whole it feels like AMD are in it for the customers and they really are trying very hard to make good products.

despite nvidia being an evil company i think im gonna stay with them because of the better drivers and the fact that alot of new games coming have problems on AMD cards but work fine with Nvidia [editline]19th August 2012[/editline] oh and evga lifetime warranty is nice too

[QUOTE=meppers;37306482]i still remember the infamous driver disaster of 2010 that made nvidia cards overheat to the point of dying they killed my 8600GT and the pcie slot of my motherboard both things were shit anyways so i never cared, I just haven't bought an nvidia GPU since, and probably never will for a long while[/QUOTE] Holy shit, I've never heard about this. That thing possibly killed my 8800GTX and when they sent a replacement that overheated aswell. Then they said "lol we don't know whats the issue, fuck it here is a GTS250, its newer so its better" Of course it was worse (less VRAM etc) but I could not complain since the card was already sent. Since then I'm stuck with that. Not sure if I should be angry as no one ever told me about the issue or ashamed that I've never found about it.

I don't know, I've always had better experiences with Nvidia's cards even if they are a bit more expensive. The nice driver support is worth it, imo.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;37309631]Just on a whole it feels like AMD are in it for the customers and they really are trying very hard to make good products.[/QUOTE] Exactly, where as I can buy an AMD cpu for around 200$, a cpu fitting into the general area of performance, generally slightly better. From intel would cost me around 500$. Plus they have good quality GPUs that are cheap as fuck. However my system at the moment is completely intel/nvidia. Got it on a pretty good deal.

I remember back through the 1xx and 2xx Nvidia drivers with the Geforce 8xxx cards and GTX 2xx cards Nvidia drivers were the worst fucking thing in the world with over a years worth of drivers being near unusable without your driver crashing almost every 10 minutes. I actually traded off my GTX 260 because Nvidia didn't even offer drivers during the 4 months I had it which didn't crash constantly, bought a 5870 and haven't looked back since. The only surviving Nvidia based hardware out of a EVGA 680i, EVGA 740i, EVGA 8800GT, EVGA 8600GTS, XFX 8600GT and two EVGA GTX 260's are the 8600's and the 260's. Every other piece of shit has literally fried it's self and stopped functioning completely.. I've never had a since problem with any ATI based hardware in my life previous to my 5870 which has a slowly dying fan I'll probably have to replace because somebody spilled something all over my computer.. I'll pass on buying Nvidia products, ATI products perform similarly if not better for the same price if not cheaper with a much higher quality.

It's a shame there's basically no competition right now. Yeah, nice cards AMD/ATI, but they are so bad with drivers right now there's no choice but to buy nVidia.

I missed all the horrible driver bullshit and personally, I prefer Nvidia over ATI. I had both, infact I upgraded from a an older ATI Radeon to a 460 GTX.

I'm wondering right now what would exactly stop that company form using that cooling method if it's better than nvidia's if there was a court case wouldn't it get thrown out? It sounds like a "we don't want you to do this because we want you to be just like us" thing.

[QUOTE=Kecske;37309866]Holy shit, I've never heard about this. That thing possibly killed my 8800GTX and when they sent a replacement that overheated aswell. Then they said "lol we don't know whats the issue, fuck it here is a GTS250, its newer so its better" Of course it was worse (less VRAM etc) but I could not complain since the card was already sent. Since then I'm stuck with that. Not sure if I should be angry as no one ever told me about the issue or ashamed that I've never found about it.[/QUOTE] A GTS 250 is definitely faster than a 8800GTX. It might have slightly less memory, but it's guaranteed to be faster.

[QUOTE=meppers;37306482]i still remember the infamous driver disaster of 2010 that made nvidia cards overheat to the point of dying they killed my 8600GT and the pcie slot of my motherboard both things were shit anyways so i never cared, I just haven't bought an nvidia GPU since, and probably never will for a long while[/QUOTE] so that's why my old 8800 GTX started artifacting like a bitch

It's sad you only have two companies to choose from on the most expensive parts but I've been using nVidia since I've ever had computers ever :\

TweakTown keeps breaking NDAs, thus alienating other review sites by posting benchmark results way early. Serves them well.

I just like Nvidia's performance...