[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40975341]Can't wait until they make a super light super strong graphene version of it that can stop howitzer rounds.[/QUOTE]
Won't help against HE, the shockwave goes around and then would crush or rip apart your body, leaving it still "intact."
And this is still forgetting the fact, all of the round impact is still transferred into the shield(that is what blocking it after all), so you'd probably shatter your entire arm from blocking a 30mm autocannon round, even if your shield could take it.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40975582]Nope, just optimistic.
I was reading an article about it earlier.[/QUOTE]
Material can withstand the impact and pressures, human body behind it cannot withstand the secondary effects of that act.
[QUOTE=deadoon;40975632]Won't help against HE, the shockwave goes around and then would crush or rip apart your body, leaving it still "intact."
And this is still forgetting the fact, all of the round impact is still transferred into the shield(that is what blocking it after all), so you'd probably shatter your entire arm from blocking a 30mm autocannon round, even if your shield could take it.
Material can withstand the impact and pressures, human body behind it cannot withstand the secondary effects of that act.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say you would be holding it lmao, I meant it wont get blown to bits.
It'd make good vehicle armor.
[QUOTE=deadoon;40975632]Won't help against HE, the shockwave goes around and then would crush or rip apart your body, leaving it still "intact."
And this is still forgetting the fact, all of the round impact is still transferred into the shield(that is what blocking it after all), so you'd probably shatter your entire arm from blocking a 30mm autocannon round, even if your shield could take it.
Material can withstand the impact and pressures, human body behind it cannot withstand the secondary effects of that act.[/QUOTE]
Especially if the shield can take it as that means all the force is directed towards the person behind it.
If they ever create a shield that'd protect a human being against such an attack, it'd be a shield that'd absorb all the force of the impact and shatter into a million pieces before the round actually hits the shield.
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[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40975677]I didn't say you would be holding it lmao, I meant it wont get blown to bits.
It'd make good vehicle armor.[/QUOTE]
Not really no as the vehicle would then have to absorb the force of impact which isn't really all that great either seeing as it still has to be able to move etc.
Current anti-vehicle weapon defenses work with some kind of explosive tiles on the exterior or something as far as I know.
Have any of you ever used a ballistic shield before?
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40975677]I didn't say you would be holding it lmao, I meant it wont get blown to bits.
It'd make good vehicle armor.[/QUOTE]
PROTIP: kinetic energy has to go [I]somewhere[/I]. Hit something with enough force, and even if the bullet gets stopped, whatever was coated in this invincible armor still receives a really, REALLY powerful punch.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;40975728]Especially if the shield can take it as that means all the force is directed towards the person behind it.
If they ever create a shield that'd protect a human being against such an attack, it'd be a shield that'd absorb all the force of the impact and shatter into a million pieces before the round actually hits the shield.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe some reactive armor with a impenetrable back coating.
As in, directing the impact away from the vehicle with an explosive stuck on the vehicle.
[QUOTE=areolop;40975801]Have any of you ever used a ballistic shield before?[/QUOTE]
Have you?
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40975807]Or maybe some reactive armor with a impenetrable back coating.[/QUOTE]
Are you some sort of DARPA-Weapons Designer Specialist Space Shuttle Door Gunner?
Sticking kevlar plates on a riot shield and slapping graphene on tanks you sound like an expert.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40975807]Or maybe some reactive armor with a impenetrable back coating.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure vehicles with reactive armor already have some form of armor behind that as well.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40975836]Have you?[/QUOTE]
Yea, and I wouldnt use it again. Its too heavy and big to be anything practical. I'll just leave it to the first man in on a search warrant to carry.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;40975832]As in, directing the impact away from the vehicle with an explosive stuck on the vehicle.[/QUOTE]
Not all reactive armor is explosive. Some systems use metal plates and thick pieces of rubber while others utilize electricity to create electromagnetic armor.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40975957]Not all reactive armor is explosive. Some systems use metal plates and thick pieces of rubber while others utilize electricity to create electromagnetic armor.[/QUOTE]
And that only exists on whiteboards and in labs.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40975836]Have you?[/QUOTE]
A ballistic shield works on the exact same principle of a roman shield, take the force of an impact and distribute it over a large area or deflect it, usually both simultaneously to decrease overall damage by prolonging the impact.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40975957]Not all reactive armor is explosive. Some systems use metal plates and thick pieces of rubber while others utilize electricity to create electromagnetic armor.[/QUOTE]
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, do you?
Electric reactive armor does not create an electromagnetic armor, it is for vaporizing the projectile, after it has already penetrated the outer armor.
[QUOTE=The golden;40972229]Yes hi. I'm not a professionally trained in firearms use like police officers are.[/QUOTE]
yeah i agree. i learned about this stuff in videogames, i have no personal real life experience whatsoever, so i think i have enough credibility and experience to ask why arent every cop living up to my rediculous expectations that put their own lives in danger? all i ask is that cops put their own lives at risk when they take a person down, since every life is a life worth saving, even if it means losing your own
[QUOTE=deadoon;40976032]A ballistic shield works on the exact same principle of a roman shield, take the force of an impact and distribute it over a large area or deflect it, usually both simultaneously to decrease overall damage by prolonging the impact.
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, do you?
Electric reactive armor does not create an electromagnetic armor, it is for vaporizing the projectile, after it has already penetrated the outer armor.[/QUOTE]
I know that, the armor consists of two charged metal plates with an insulator sandwiched in between them essentially making a giant capacitor. When a kinetic penetrator pierces the armor it bridges the gap between the two plates causing an electrical discharge that essentially vaporizes the penetrator into a plasma.
You guys should read some of the shit DARPA is working on: [url]http://www.darpa.mil/Our_Work/DSO/Programs/[/url]
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40971389]Glad they shot him in the foot instead of the head like most cops would.[/QUOTE]
I assume you have some statistics for this, right?
[QUOTE=paul simon;40976177]I assume you have some statistics for this, right?[/QUOTE]
Head/body that's not my point.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40976151]I know that, the armor consists of two charged metal plates with an insulator sandwiched in between them essentially making a giant capacitor. When a kinetic penetrator pierces the armor it bridges the gap between the two plates causing an electrical discharge that essentially vaporizes the penetrator into a plasma.
You guys should read some of the shit DARPA is working on: [url]http://www.darpa.mil/Our_Work/DSO/Programs/[/url][/QUOTE]
I know, it isn't electromagnetic armor though.
[QUOTE=deadoon;40976275]I know, it isn't electromagnetic armor though.[/QUOTE]
[quote]A new technology called electric reactive armour (also known as electromagnetic reactive armour, or colloquially as electric armour) is in development.[/quote]
-wiki
"in development"
aka
"not in use"
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40976294]-wiki[/QUOTE]
I'm no physicist or darpa employee, but I don't think what you described in any way describes an electromagnet
[QUOTE=Greenen72;40976398]I'm no physicist or darpa employee, but don't think what you described in any way describes an electromagnet[/QUOTE]
I don't know, that's what it said the armor's called so that's what I called it.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40976294]-wiki[/QUOTE]
All of the sources for the "electromagnetic" are misinterpreting the use of electrically charged plates for electromagnets, which is by definition incorrect.
Electricity has to be flowing to create an electromagnet, and for it to be very effective it has to be turning in a tight coil. In electric armor it is heavily charged plates and insulating material, so that if something interferes with the insulator it will be vaporized by the arcing between the charged plates. No electromagnets involved, created or needed.
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;40971979]Us europeans dont really try to kill people alot. If they don't go down the first shot then the police will do a killing shot. Instead of just killing them straight. Sweden and Denmark has done this alot recently and it worked. A bullet in the kneecap makes them realise they are fucking up. If you keep going after a bullet in the kneecap then. Yeah.[/QUOTE]
Can you provide a source for this
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[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;40972170]It is not a matter of skill, but luck when attempting to do a non-lethal shot.
[URL="http://filesmelt.com/"][IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Circulatory_System_en.svg_.png[/IMG][/URL]
Those there are the major arteries and veins. Then one has to take into account the major organs (the liver and intestines are particularly absent from the picture), and the difficulty to hit e.g. a foot.[/QUOTE]
Here's another
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Txe2aKt.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40975957]Not all reactive armor is explosive. Some systems use metal plates and thick pieces of rubber while others utilize electricity to create electromagnetic armor.[/QUOTE]
but the principle is the same, the increase in effective armor by deforming/destroying the penetrator...
if your "back coating" is impenetrable, why not use it for the entire thing? you make no sense.
those are some very good policement in that they shot him in the foot instead of riddling him.
[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;40979793]those are some very good policement in that they shot him in the foot instead of riddling him.[/QUOTE]
The officer still took a big risk by not aiming for the largest portion of the target. Pistol or SMG, he's aiming for an extremity that moves and constantly shifts.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40971374]That is entirely standard, stop being so dramatic.
Every time a policeman discharges his weapon at someone in most western countries there is always a review into the incident.[/QUOTE]
Yep. In Fatal Shootings, the police involved are under investigation for Homicide. Frickin' Murder. Until they're cleared
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40976432]I don't know, that's what it said the armor's called so that's what I called it.[/QUOTE]Either way, your special non-explosive reactive armor, abbreviated to NxRA, [i]isn't actually used in the field because it's fucking impractical right now.[/i] If you knew even like, basic electricity 101, you'd know that. Tanks don't pull around gigantic 30mW diesel generators with them, so they're going to use a simpler and just as effective NxRA system, or actually use ERA armor systems.
Seriously. You're arguing a hypothetical point for something that is fucking retarded anyway. You cannot just pick and choose military-sounding nouns, whip them together and expect to get a defensive system out of it. Especially not one that's expected to be physically worn by a person who has not undergone some secret cybernetic augmentation. While the idea of having a powered exeskeleton maybe really, really cool, there's a damn good reason why we don't do it right now: it won't fucking work.
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Oh, and don't go "I wasn't talking about mechs and stuff!" I know. You were talking about unassisted suits of heavy armor. [i]I know.[/i]
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