[QUOTE=Funcoot;26540019]
Flat income tax is fair. Plain and simple.[/QUOTE]
Taxes at the same percentage will hit poor people more than rich people. So no, they are not fair. (20% will hurt someone making 20k a year much more than someone making 2000k a year)
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26540087]you know what I mean and im homeless a year ago poor[/QUOTE]
As I said, you're point stands. It is atypical/
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26540081]The largest demographic of hard-working but non-wealthy people I can think of off-hand are farmers, and they don't seem the type to shop at big box stores.[/QUOTE]
funny how farmers are very important but yet they get paid so little
[QUOTE=Zeus;26540028]Why?
1. The rich provide jobs.
2. Most rich people worked hard to get where they are.
3. The rich pay extremely high taxes (higher percentages than poor and middle class people) and make up by far most of the income taxes paid in the US.
Rich people provide the foundation for the US economy, benefiting the rich will benefit the economy (because the rich power the economy). Some people need to get over their "anti-rich freedom fighter" mentality that they got from watching too many movies. If you don't like the concept of rich and poor people, and working hard to get ahead in life, move to a communist nation and let us know how that works out for you.
inb4 clueless people call me rich
inb4 someone links articles about a rich person who did something bad once[/QUOTE]
1. I'm pretty sure a wealthy investment banker, for example, isn't providing jobs.
2. Yes, and many poor people work their asses off 60 hours a week and are still poor.
3. "Extremely high"? 35-40 percent on any of their income over $250,000?
The rich don't power the economy; the workers do.
I'm not an "anti-rich freedom fighter", I just think that those who have had the most success in this country should give back.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26540103]funny how farmers are very important but yet they get paid so little[/QUOTE]
Teachers too.
The people who work the hardest seem to be the ones that get paid the least.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;26540034]
Then I highly doubt you are poor. and news flash buddy. Poor people don't own businesses. You're just helping rich locals.[/QUOTE]
businesses hire people. Then they give poor people money.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26540089]I don't know what you're talking about, my family is very poor and we spend as little as possible. We do not support the "little guy" or any junk, we just buy whatever is cheaper.[/QUOTE]
haha if you are not lieing about being poor (because it sure sounds like it) then you are either greedy and dumb for supporting something that fucks you over
[QUOTE=Prismatex;26540109]1. I'm pretty sure a wealthy investment banker, for example, isn't providing jobs.
2. Yes, and many poor people work their asses off 60 hours a week and are still poor.
3. "Extremely high"? 35-40 percent on any of their income over $250,000?
The rich don't power the economy; the workers do.
I'm not an "anti-rich freedom fighter", I just think that those who have had the most success in this country should give back.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't help if there are workers but noone to hire them
[QUOTE=FHamster;26540055]I have and its from a corporation that hires a lot of other people.[/QUOTE]
And if the executives of that corporation had an extra $40,000 a year, would they hire more people or sock it away?
[QUOTE=FHamster;26540116]businesses hire people. Then they give poor people money.[/QUOTE]
Businesses don't give people anything, they buy someone's services at considerable markdown
That's what an employee does, they make the business money. Not the other way around.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26540128]haha if you are not lieing about being poor (because it sure sounds like it) then you are either greedy and dumb for supporting something that fucks you over[/QUOTE]
So instead I should spend all my money risking not getting any food tomorrow? Yeah... no.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26540135]Businesses don't give people anything, they buy someone's services at considerable markdown[/QUOTE]
If we don't have businesses. We'd have a much higher unemployment rate.
[QUOTE=FHamster;26540116]businesses hire people. Then they give poor people money.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but this debate isn't about raising the tax on businesses. It's about raising the tax on rich people.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26540114]Teachers too.
The people who work the hardest seem to be the ones that get paid the least.[/QUOTE]
my mom spends 10 hours a day wiping off (sometimes it gets stuck and she has to use hands) of old people and she gets paid 10$ an hour
[QUOTE=Prismatex;26540144]Yes, but this debate isn't about raising the tax on businesses. It's about raising the tax on rich people.[/QUOTE]
Rich people own the biggest businesses which provide the most jobs.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26540129]It doesn't help if there are workers but noone to hire them[/QUOTE]
Again, this tax cut did nothing to benefit corporations, only the wealthy people who run them.
If an executive is taking home a 4% smaller paycheck than before, that's his issue, not the company's.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26540098]Taxes at the same percentage will hit poor people more than rich people. So no, they are not fair. (20% will hurt someone making 20k a year much more than someone making 2000k a year)[/QUOTE]
That is why you design it to accommodate the lowest class bracket. 20% is too high. Lower it to 10% and cut all the useless organizations our government funds (and trust me there are plenty we could do without). I'm not talking about cutting welfare!!!
And yes, I know that 10% affects the rich people less, but that is just how the cookie crumbles. You're only as strong as your weakest link. Raising the taxes on the classes above the lowest class DOES NOT BENEFIT THE LOWER CLASS.
And yes, I am a liberal. Funny huh?
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26540136]So instead I should spend all my money risking not getting any food tomorrow? Yeah... no.[/QUOTE]
haha i really dont think your poor. even with basic well fare you could support a small business every now and then like i do with my local book store
[QUOTE=FHamster;26540152]Rich people own the biggest businesses which provide the most jobs.[/QUOTE]
I think you guys don't understand. Rich people may own the biggest corporations, but their finances are separate from their corporations'. My family, for example, was a beneficiary of the Bush tax cuts - both of my parents are doctors. Our tax cut didn't allow us to hire more people, but we did buy fancier new cars than we might have otherwise.
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[QUOTE=Funcoot;26540166]Lower it to 10% and cut all the useless organizations our government funds (and trust me there are plenty we could do without). I'm not talking about cutting welfare!!![/QUOTE]
Name some.
At the end of the day, my boss paying 39% in taxes does not help me in the least bit. I would reap more rewards if he were paying less taxes.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;26540166]That is why you design it to accommodate the lowest class bracket. 20% is too high. Lower it to 10% and cut all the useless organizations our government funds (and trust me there are plenty we could do without). I'm not talking about cutting welfare!!!
And yes, I know that 10% affects the rich people less, but that is just how the cookie crumbles. You're only as strong as your weakest link. Raising the taxes on the classes above the lowest class DOES NOT BENEFIT THE LOWER CLASS.[/quote]
Can you justify the very last sentence to me?
[QUOTE=Funcoot;26540166]And yes, I am a liberal. Funny huh?[/QUOTE]
I'm against gun control but it doesn't make me a conservative
[QUOTE=Funcoot;26540166]That is why you design it to accommodate the lowest class bracket. 20% is too high. Lower it to 10% and cut all the useless organizations our government funds (and trust me there are plenty we could do without). I'm not talking about cutting welfare!!!
And yes, I know that 10% affects the rich people less, but that is just how the cookie crumbles. You're only as strong as your weakest link. Raising the taxes on the classes above the lowest class DOES NOT BENEFIT THE LOWER CLASS.
And yes, I am a liberal. Funny huh?[/QUOTE]
explain to me a few useless thing the government support thats not the war
[QUOTE=Funcoot;26540191]At the end of the day, my boss paying 39% in taxes does not help me in the least bit. I would reap more rewards if he were paying less taxes.[/QUOTE]
Why would he pay you more? He's got an extra few thousand dollars in his pocket. Financially speaking, he has no reason to raise his workers' wages.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26540175]haha i really dont think your poor. even with basic well fare you could support a small business every now and then like i do with my local book store[/QUOTE]
Shit I wish I wasn't poor. After paying all my bills and food and stuff, I get like 40-50 euros on personal spendings. Not very rich, now is it?
[QUOTE=Funcoot;26540191]At the end of the day, my boss paying 39% in taxes does not help me in the least bit. I would reap more rewards if he were paying less taxes.[/QUOTE]
it helps me who has to get food stamps
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26540057]Or if you just set taxes to a good amount now you wouldn't need to hike them again. In fact, as the deficit shrunk, more jobs became available, and [b]more people began to enter the upper brackets[/b], you'd gradually be able to lower them.[/QUOTE]
do you understand that the amount of money in the economy is a finite amount (excluding the chance of stimulation, lets hope we dont have to resort to that)
therefore, we can assume that there will always be social classes in a capitalistic economy
according to modern sociology professors (like Warner) there will always be a lower class
from that, we know there will always be an upper class
so the middle class is the pile we can add to and subtract from
having more of the population would create a bigger gap between upper and lower (bad)
having too much of the population in the lower class (what we have now) pressures decisions favoring the spreading of wealth (good in moderation, very bad over a certain point)
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26540208]Shit I wish I was poor. After paying all my bills and food and stuff, I get like 40-50 euros on personal spendings. Not very rich, now is it?[/QUOTE]
And if you had attended a publicly-funded university, you'd be making a lot more.
There's one way taxes on the rich benefit everyone.
[QUOTE=kevn150;26540213]do you understand that the amount of money in the economy is a finite amount (excluding the chance of stimulation, lets hope we dont have to resort to that)
therefore, we can assume that there will always be social classes in a capitalistic economy
according to modern sociology professors (like Warner) there will always be a lower class
from that, we know there will always be an upper class
so the middle class is the pile we can add to and subtract from
having more of the population would create a bigger gap between upper and lower (bad)
having too much of the population in the lower class (what we have now) pressures decisions favoring the spreading of wealth (good in moderation, very bad over a certain point)[/QUOTE]
I should have said "more people began to enter the middle brackets", it was shitty wording
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26540208]Shit I wish I wasn't poor. After paying all my bills and food and stuff, I get like 40-50 euros on personal spendings. Not very rich, now is it?[/QUOTE]
stop acting like your poor because you have no idea what its like by your posts
[QUOTE=Prismatex;26540181]Name some.[/QUOTE]
Stop funding the EPA, Amtrak, and the USPS.
Environmental Protection Agency does absolutely nothing but try to pass bogus laws that ultimately have little effect on the environment. Our taxes pay for their absurdly high pay, guns, and cars. Yes, EPA agents carry around guns, guess they're going to shoot global warming huh?
A lot of tax money is allocated towards running amtrack. Amtrak has not made a profit in YEARS.
Cut back on the USPS. The American Government has a monopoly on [b]first class[/b] mail and has also failed to bring in a profit in YEARS. Privatizing this sector is simply a better idea [b]for now[/b] because the government does not have the financial means to run it properly.
and those are just 3. Billions of dollars go into funding these organizations that have utterly failed at being successful.
And I know I sound like an ultra conservative, but it's just simple economics. These organizations are failing and are literally blackholes for our tax money.
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