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[QUOTE=geel9;53054503]Shitposting on Facepunch about how Trump definitely has dementia is a bit different from "you're my friend, and I think you need to get evaluated by a doctor because I think you're showing signs of dementia"[/QUOTE] He didn't say 'definitely has dementia' and he wasn't shitposting. Stop lying. [quote=EnlightenDead]That guy wasnt gaslighting, ive been gaslighted, ive got extensive experience with it. The original poster was literally saying he doesnt like trump but we shouldnt rush to call him mentally unfit because the only evidence we have is a bunch of people online saying "yeah he could be mentally ill" its literally what the republicans do to their opponents and we shouldnt sink that low. This isnt gaslighting, and your response is a huge overreaction.[/quote] So this is what we're doing now? We're really doing this whole 'gaslighting to defend that something isn't gaslighting' now? This is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054515]And trump had a clean bill of health by his physician. Who should I trust? The guy who actually laid eyes on the man, or a bunch of people speculating? In my actual medical opinion: The guy who looked at the man has far more weight behind his words than anyone who's just watching TV and saying "Totally has dementia/mental health problems, shouldn't lead 0/10".[/QUOTE] Given an actively deceitful hack-physician, who claimed that he's literally 'the healthiest president to have ever served' which is factually wrong on the face of it to an undeniable degree, it is clear that said physician is not a trustworthy source of factual medical opinion. Which is to be expected, since Trump clearly fires anyone who doesn't agree with what he thinks is what 'reality ought be'. He can't be the healthiest president to have ever served while being one of the most obese and having B. Obama, who has an athlete's constitution, directly behind him. That is frankly a lie and you are being willfully conned if you believe that physician's opinion for a minute. But fine, you want to trust Trump. If you want to trust Trump, here's where you draw the line: When he releases the actual undoctored report from his actual physical from the President's doctor that backs what he claims -- then you can trust Trump.

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53054513]He didn't say 'definitely has dementia' and he wasn't shitposting. Stop lying. So this is what we're doing now? We're really doing this whole 'gaslighting to defend that something isn't gaslighting' now? This is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Ill end this here since its going nowhere but arguing online =/= gaslighting comon

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054515]And trump had a clean bill of health by his physician. Who should I trust? The guy who actually laid eyes on the man, or a bunch of people speculating? In my actual medical opinion: The guy who looked at the man has far more weight behind his words than anyone who's just watching TV and saying "Totally has dementia/mental health problems, shouldn't lead 0/10". [editline]15th January 2018[/editline] Meaningfully questioned is completely different from "I saw on tv once that.. xyz". I'm not defending trump, don't get me wrong. I'm defending psychology. It's already difficult to get psych complaints taken seriously, I've seen far too many times ER doctors roll their eyes when you call in psych. If you want to further discredit the field by speculating without seeing, then by all means, be my guest, but don't also sit and wonder "oh man why don't more people take us seriously".[/QUOTE] To be fair isnt his physician a hack job too, especially when you remember the whole "astonishingly healthy" business before the election happened, especially compared to Clinton's report?

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;53054527]Ill end this here since its going nowhere but arguing online =/= gaslighting comon[/QUOTE] Correct. Gaslighting is gaslighting and I've never argued otherwise. [quote=ilikecorn]He was examined by a military physician who also examined GWB, and Obama, Were it trumps personal physician from before, i'd absolutely agree, but this is a guy who's been around for a bit, and doesn't have much to gain by bullshitting the exam.[/quote] Here's where rubber meets the road: Show me the results of that exam. Not what said military physician reportedly stated about the exam (which may have been someone putting words in his mouth more or less) but the actual exam itself. He doesn't have much to gain by bullshitting the exam, sure, but he might have a hell of a lot to lose if the White House says 'you can't release any of this' and then proceeds to make up whatever results they'd like to be spread. With an actively deceitful White House, accept no substitutes: If they aren't showing the paper then it's obvious the President's health is not as amazing as has been previously claimed - especially with this much of a narcissist in charge.

for real if he had dementia it'd be a lot more obvious, there is no way they would be able to hide it, and there is no way they would allow it. The government has the best doctors in the country. it isn't something you just diagnose like its something to fucking joke about, and if he did the sad thing is that I think people would still absolutely shit on him which is fucked up

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53054532]Correct. Gaslighting is gaslighting and I've never argued otherwise.[/QUOTE] Please define gaslighting.

[QUOTE=geel9;53054540]Please define gaslighting.[/QUOTE] "Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the target and delegitimize the target's belief. Instances may range from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim. The term owes its origin to the 1938 Patrick Hamilton play Gas Light and its 1940 and 1944 film adaptations. The term has been used in clinical and research literature, as well as in political commentary." In other words: "That never happened. Don't believe your lying eyes, believe my lying -- I mean trustworthy -- mouth. I've had X done to me and what you've described isn't X and I'd know because I've had X done to me and you haven't." et cetera

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53054542]"Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the target and delegitimize the target's belief. Instances may range from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim. The term owes its origin to the 1938 Patrick Hamilton play Gas Light and its 1940 and 1944 film adaptations. The term has been used in clinical and research literature, as well as in political commentary." In other words: "That never happened. Don't believe your lying eyes, believe my lying -- I mean trustworthy -- mouth. I've had X done to me and what you've described isn't X and I'd know because I've had X done to me and you haven't." et cetera[/QUOTE] And you legitimately believe that the definition you just Googled is a fine fit for this post: [QUOTE=Stopper;53054351]I think you should stop pushing the dementia narrative. I hate Trump just as much as the next guy (you), but you're not any better than them. You have no empirical evidence and it's frankly hypocritical. That's what they do. I thought we were meant to be better?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53054513]He didn't say 'definitely has dementia' and he wasn't shitposting. Stop lying.[/QUOTE] A lot of people have posted about Trump as if it's already confirmed that he does have dementia or some mental illness. Like this one: [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53032653]Saying that he's [I]not even under investigation,[/I] isn't just dishonest, it's insane. All signs point to a single conclusion: Trump is extremely unwell. He deserves to face justice, [B]but as his dementia progresses, I think it more likely that he'll up in a care facility with no memory of any of this shit.[/b][/QUOTE] The way this post is worded makes it seem like he's already been diagnosed. It's one thing to say "I think Trump shows some signs of X by doing Y" and it's another to say "nobody diagnosed Trump with [I]anything[/I] yet, but I'm going to continue posting about him in the narrative that he has dementia."

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054544]Were HIPAA not a thing, I absolutely would. However since no one but the healthcare team and the president himself have access to said data, that's an impossible demand to meet. Furthermore, this is the doctor who performed the exam: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronny_Jackson[/url] This guy was involved with a shock trauma platoon, he's EXTREMELY qualified, he's been forward deployed and seen plenty of trauma/other illnesses. Again. I highly doubt that he would just let something dangerous fly.[/QUOTE] It's not an impossible demand to meet because the President could've released it if he wanted to. Why does the 'healthiest President ever' need their results to be kept from the public? Shouldn't he be so proud of his perfect clean bill of health that he'd want to distribute copies to every household in America just to smugly rub it in the face of those who claim that he's not the picture of health? He has literally come out already and stated he has a clean bill of health; his former private doctor has stated so as his professional opinion. Every President before him has shared at least some key data from their reports? This administration has submitted zero data as evidence to back their claim that the President is in good health. [quote]I highly doubt that he would just let something dangerous fly.[/quote] I highly doubt he has any choice in the matter. If the President says 'you can't release any of this and you can't talk about this with anyone' then what, exactly, is he going to do? He is bound by oath to serve that man, thick and thin, not just by his profession as a doctor which states he can't release that information or his analysis of that information without violating his patient's privacy -- which is more or less a sacred cow to professional doctors -- but also by his position as a military officer, where he is compelled to follow the orders of the President of the United States. For him to specifically 'not let that fly' he would have to abandon both his career as a doctor and career as a military officer, meanwhile breaking two oaths that he takes very seriously, and so on. Thus, the bar to clear for him to defy all that is extraordinary. In other words, if the President wasn't incurably raving mad at that exact moment, I don't think there's literally anything that doctor would discover that he would feel compelled to share with America over the weight of his oaths.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054530]He was examined by a military physician who also examined GWB, and Obama, Were it trumps personal physician from before, i'd absolutely agree, but this is a guy who's been around for a bit, and doesn't have much to gain by bullshitting the exam.[/QUOTE] He has almost nothing to lose, too. We're talking about conservatives here, you know, the people who justify starvation and death as "well they should've just pulled up their bootstraps". There's literally no telling what he could justify in his head.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;53054568]He has almost nothing to lose, too. We're talking about conservatives here, you know, the people who justify starvation and death as "well they should've just pulled up their bootstraps". There's literally no telling what he could justify in his head.[/QUOTE] I think it's concerning that you assume that the physician is a conservative (I can't find anything that would hint towards his political leanings) as well as the fact that you think that instantly discredits him. There is a difference between conservative voters and conservative politicians.

[QUOTE=geel9;53054572]I think it's concerning that you assume that the physician is a conservative (I can't find anything that would hint towards his political leanings) as well as the fact that you think that instantly discredits him. There is a difference between conservative voters and conservative politicians.[/QUOTE] True, but I don't necessarily think Trump would let himself be examined by a liberal doctor, is in the military, and was born in Texas. I do think that the ideology of conservatism is bad enough to discredit them on questions of ethics or truth, but I suppose I could be wrong, but I don't see much in the ideology of conservatism that leads me to believe they are very compassionate or epistemologically dedicated.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;53054578]True, but I don't necessarily think Trump would let himself be examined by a liberal doctor. I do think that their ideology is bad enough to discredit them on questions of ethics, but I suppose I could be wrong, but I don't see much in the ideology of conservatism that leads me to believe they are very compassionate or epistemologically dedicated.[/QUOTE] This is what conservatives think of liberals. You think yourself better?

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054576]Medical corps officers are bound by order, yes, however the oath sworn is to the constitution, failure to report false results, or failure to report a dangerous condition would be a violation of the 25th. Furthermore were the medical board to find out about him hiding a dangerous condition, he'd lose his license, which if you're a medical corps officer, means you lose your commission. So he has everything to lose either way, thus leading me to think one thing: Nothing of note was actually found. Sure he's probably got hypertension, and hyperlipidemia, but lets be real, neither of those conditions are actually worth violating HIPAA over, nor are they cause to believe that a president is unfit.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't be if the President pardons them of those things pre-emptively. He is sworn to uphold the constitution, yes, but he is also sworn to obey the President of the United States and also sworn to protect his patient's privacy. So, no, he doesn't have everything to lose either way - especially if the President has specifically ordered him not to release any information on his health or the exam and threatens that if he's disloyal he'll have him thrown out, discredited, and state that the results that he announces will be called fake news - thus shattering his ability to even work in the field of medicine. Those conditions you've listed aren't worth violating HIPAA over but they are things the public should know about the President's health, especially when he's stated that his bill of health is perfect and clean.

[QUOTE=geel9;53054583]This is what conservatives think of liberals. You think yourself better?[/QUOTE] I know what you mean, I think sometimes I'm just a hopelessly biased liberal, but I truly cannot see the conservative ideology as anything more than guttural utterances of base instincts entirely based on initial preconceptions of scarcity and mistrust. I question my side's own validity every day but I care too much about people and care too little about hierarchies to see conservatism as anything more than dishonest and selfish.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53032902] Trump is an insecure narcissist of cosmic proportions, and one whose grasp on reality is tenuous at best. Whether or not the threats facing him are real or imagined, he'll concoct whatever delusions are necessary to ease his fears that he is anything other than a Very Stable Genius who is a Brilliant Businessman and a Real Winner.[/QUOTE] He's every bad thing and worse. He can't just be an egotistical lying idiot out for his own gain, he has to be everything terrible and more. He has dementia, he's a narc, he deserves justice, he's delusional, he has no grasp on reality, he creates false realities. The guy says stupid shit, he is an egomaniac who stares at himself in the mirror, but we need to stay grounded in facts and defeat him in a far better way than simply saying he's mentally ill. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53032653]Saying that he's [I]not even under investigation,[/I] isn't just dishonest, it's insane. All signs point to a single conclusion: Trump is extremely unwell. He deserves to face justice, but as his dementia progresses, I think it more likely that he'll up in a care facility with no memory of any of this shit.[/QUOTE] if he has dementia then why does he deserve to face justice? After all he can't be mentally aware of what he's doing. Yeah we have to do something if the president is mentally unwell, but punishing someone and going after them for an illness that's out of their control is disgusting behavior at best. Dementia isn't some mild thing you get to just diagnose someone willy nilly. It's a family ruining illness that will RUIN YOUR LIFE and make everyone around you suffer as they watch you painfully deteriorate. I wouldn't wish dementia on even the world person in the world, let alone Trump. If he does have it, I could only wish we could have seen if he would have been a good president if he didn't have it, and I can only hope that he isn't punished for something he quite literally, can't control.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054604]A medical license can be revoked at any time. A presidential pardon means fuck all to a medical board. I've seen licenses revoked for far less than witholding dangerous information.[/QUOTE] And how exactly will that license be revoked when all information about the President's condition is suppressed? The medical board in question can't rule on the absence of evidence. Furthermore, even if his license was revoked the President could maintain him as his personal doctor and ensure that he keeps his present position even if his license is revoked. (A) The conversation they had will be considered under Executive Privilege. (B) The results of this exam will be forcefully kept due to the patient's request, by HIPAA. This leaves what angle for said board to attack from? Both the data and their conversation are protected.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054610]A medical board regularly reviews cases, and is within the law to do so. Were they to pull the presidents case, and find inconsistencies, they'd call the doctor in to the board to justify these discrepancies. At this point, you're fucked. Never seen someone get called to justify discrepancies walk out with a license, because you can't justify fucking up that badly.[/QUOTE] The President would never allow that case to be pulled and he'd tell said doctor they don't need to go in to justify themselves as that is the order of the President of the United States. Furthermore, even if they were dragged in their whole conversation is protected by Executive Privilege and as such is confidential information -- which means said board can extract no information from said doctor to begin with. Meanwhile, the President will assault said medical board as partisan hacks and demand they be dismantled and have [I]their[/I] licenses revoked.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054615]I'm not actually sure that that's possible to be honest. It's never happened before, and doing so would lead to a lot of questions being asked that i'm sure trump doesn't want to answer, and the whitehouse doesn't want to answer, and the GOP doesn't want to answer.[/QUOTE] If there's one thing the President has proven by his actions and words it's that he doesn't give a flying crap about how many questions doing a particular thing raises or how difficult those actions/words make his life. E: It boils down to a simple formula. Does it look bad? Then it never happened or it doesn't mean what you think it does or I'm not answering that or 'that's fake news'. Does it look good? That absolutely happened, I'm the reason and cause for it, and you should thank me for it.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054615]I'm not actually sure that that's possible to be honest. It's never happened before, and doing so would lead to a lot of questions being asked that i'm sure trump doesn't want to answer, and the whitehouse doesn't want to answer, and the GOP doesn't want to answer.[/QUOTE] All they have to do is spin the story as fake news or whatever just as they have to discredit every other piece of negative press coverage. And (ignorant?) conservative voters will eat it up.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054445]Any psychologist that's making a diagnosis without actually sitting down with the patient is a bullshit psychologist. For the record, that's like a doctor listening to you talk over the phone for a few minutes about a sore throat, and telling you that you have cancer. You can't provide a diagnosis without actually sitting down and dealing with the patient. That's like me going into the depression thread and reading a post and magically coming to the conclusion that they've got bipolar disorder. Psychologists like this are the reason that psychology is somewhat ridiculed in the medical field. You've got actual psych people, and then you've got people who spitball ideas because they don't want to actually assess a patient. So, lets TLDR this: If you don't sit down with a patient, and don't have their consent to be their provider, then you have absolutely no right to sit and spitball diagnosis left and right, and speculate on said persons health/fitness. [/Quote] Nobody is diagnosing him, only saying that he is concetningly symptomatic and needs to submit to mental and neurological health screening. Stop the gaslighting. [Quote]You do also realize that a neuro exam is part of a yearly physical, right? Like stock standard. It's pretty clear when someone has neuro deficits, and no doctor wanting to keep their license would ignore them. Like seriously, the goldwater rule doesn't exist to protect politicians, it exists to protect the field of psychology as a whole. It's already dangerously easy to miss something, and psychology is constantly under scrutiny, the last thing the field needs is a bunch of people sitting and speculating.[/QUOTE] Except a neurological and cognitive functions test was NOT performed. Like explicitly NOT performed, with the White House releasing a statement to the effect that Trump didn't need one because he's actually really, like, smart and stable.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054624]The president can't chose, because the cases are chosen at "random". Executive privilege wouldn't protect a doctor, as review is part of maintaining a license. So trump could pull that. And then his doctor can wave goodbye to his license. The medical board can basically do whatever it wants to do, within reason. What you're saying just flat out doesn't apply to the board. They ask questions, and if you refuse to answer, they pull your license, simple as that. Your license is granted at their convenience, and can be pulled at any time, for any reason.[/QUOTE] The case files and all of the data from that exam are locked in the President's office in his desk drawer. Good luck getting them even by random selection when you won't even get through the White House's doors. Furthermore, they're classified Top Secret so if they even so much as touch those papers they're in violation of federal law. The Doctor has nothing to do with the board not being able to get at the documents in question and further Trump will simply assert that what they did wasn't 'random' but was in fact an attack on the President of the United States (iow they 'didn't choose randomly, they chose his case specifically') and, as an attack that he'll treat it as, he won't hand it over to them because it's clear that they're only requesting said files to spin a narrative and try to assert that he's unfit for office or whatever. The medical board, if it gets into a sword fight with the office of the Presidency, [I]will lose[/I].

[QUOTE=J!NX;53054605]He's every bad thing and worse. He can't just be an egotistical lying idiot out for his own gain, he has to be everything terrible and more. He has dementia, he's a narc, he deserves justice, he's delusional, he has no grasp on reality, he creates false realities. The guy says stupid shit, he is an egomaniac who stares at himself in the mirror, but we need to stay grounded in facts and defeat him in a far better way than simply saying he's mentally ill. if he has dementia then why does he deserve to face justice? After all he can't be mentally aware of what he's doing. Yeah we have to do something if the president is mentally unwell, but punishing someone and going after them for an illness that's out of their control is disgusting behavior at best. Dementia isn't some mild thing you get to just diagnose someone willy nilly. It's a family ruining illness that will RUIN YOUR LIFE and make everyone around you suffer as they watch you painfully deteriorate. I wouldn't wish dementia on even the world person in the world, let alone Trump. If he does have it, I could only wish we could have seen if he would have been a good president if he didn't have it, and I can only hope that he isn't punished for something he quite literally, can't control.[/QUOTE] Non-argument, here. Trump slowly sliding into dementia does not preclude that he was unaware of what he was doing when he committed the greatest betrayal of the American people in modern American history, or the massive and deliberate effort to conceal and obstruct the investigation into said betrayal. Furthermore, nobody is WISHING dementia on Trump. Expressing concern that his cognitive health is rapidly deteriorating is not rubbing my hands in Glee about it.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054641]There are no hard copy medical records within the DOD/ US government healthcare system. They're electronically kept and subject to review by state medical boards at any time. When you become a medical corps officer you sign on the dotted line saying "I understand that every action I take will be under scrutiny". This will by my last post on this matter. Keep speculating as you wish, but I don't feel it productive to discuss anymore, we're set in our opinions, and nothing will change them.[/QUOTE] There are hard copies when the President demands there to be and for the electronic copies to be erased as he's 'concerned over our cyber security'. I'm not speculating, I'm just demonstrating the enormous number of moves Trump has to block in every respect such an inquiry into his health from said board. Further, said digital files could be classified as above Top Secret and require specific clearance from the President himself - meaning they have no access to that file to begin with and they can't compel anyone to give them that file besides since the only ones with clearance will be the President and the Vice President. If we're going to find out the truth of the President's health, we won't be hearing it from the board - likely we'll be hearing it from anonymous sources from inside the White House - much as how we heard the last couple of Presidents whose poor health was being conspiratorially kept from the public knowledge.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53054627][B]Nobody is diagnosing him[/B], only saying that he is concetningly symptomatic and needs to submit to mental and neurological health screening. Stop the gaslighting. Except a neurological and cognitive functions test was NOT performed. Like explicitly NOT performed, with the White House releasing a statement to the effect that Trump didn't need one because he's actually really, like, smart and stable.[/QUOTE] then stop acting like you already know he has dementia all your latest posts about Trump talk about dementia, you sound like a broken record wait for a test to be done and released, wait for it to be confirmed legit, and we'll go from there all you're doing right now is taking shots at him, and should he actually suffer from it, you get bragging rights; no point in it, and frankly, you're adding nothing to the threads

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53054612]The President would never allow that case to be pulled and he'd tell said doctor they don't need to go in to justify themselves as that is the order of the President of the United States. Furthermore, even if they were dragged in their whole conversation is protected by Executive Privilege and as such is confidential information -- which means said board can extract no information from said doctor to begin with. Meanwhile, the President will assault said medical board as partisan hacks and demand they be dismantled and have [I]their[/I] licenses revoked.[/QUOTE] how is someone who has dementia, who wouldn't even mentally sound enough to eat a bowl of cereal going to get away with convincing a doctor and threatening a medical board. This narrative is the type of shit you would find at /r/thedonald. This is wild paranoia and conspiracy theories at its cleanest I think the people in this thread have an insultingly ignorant understanding of how serious dementia really is. It's also a litany of wild theories that have no basis on anything. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53054637]Non-argument, here. Trump slowly sliding into dementia does not preclude that he was unaware of what he was doing when he committed the greatest betrayal of the American people in modern American history, or the massive and deliberate effort to conceal and obstruct the investigation into said betrayal.[/QUOTE] How do you know he was aware of what he did? Do you know for a FACT that he committed a betrayal at all? Do you know that it precluded that at all? Were you there with the president the entire time that he did everything, in his head, aware and understanding of his every single action? You act like you have already decided that all of these things are true. So what would you have happen? Have him punished if he 'betrayed America' and has dementia?

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054653]The president can't demand the electronic copies be erased. AFAIK there is no method of deleting an encounter within the DOD healthcare system. Because even if you "delete" it, its still there, just listed as "deleted". Which immediately gets audited, because no one in their right mind deletes an encounter.[/QUOTE] The President can demand whatever he damn well feels like - and often does. And what'll they do about said deleted entry anyway if the backups are also erased. The data's already gone. [quote=ilikecorn]I have direct experience with this: A doctor I worked with in the navy created an encounter by mistake for a patient, and deleted it, and IMMEDIATELY got a call to justify what he had done. It was simple to justify, given that it was a mistake, but you're telling me that you could just delete the presidents encounter, on the specified day that it happened, at the specified time it happened, with it being reported by EVERY news outlet, and be able to justify it with "oh but he told me to?". That's a violation of the law, which would make the presidents order an unlawful order, which, you guessed it, would mean that the physician would get FUCKED by his medical board, and the DOD medical board. Trump couldn't protect him from that, because every order saying "oh don't bring him before a board" would be an unlawful order, which the military has an OBLIGATION to not execute.[/quote] Here's how that situation goes with Trump. Data gets deleted, a call is immediately made, person claims executive privilege. They are ordered to state why they did what they did, which they can not as they are under orders to not say why. Would this cause a furor in the press if it got leaked out of the military chain of command to begin with? Sure. Does Trump welcome said furor from the 'fake news press'? Absolutely. [quote]how is someone who has dementia, who wouldn't even mentally sound enough to eat a bowl of cereal going to get away with convincing a doctor and threatening a medical board. This narrative is the type of shit you would find at /r/thedonald. This is wild paranoia and conspiracy theories at its cleanest I think the people in this thread have an insultingly ignorant understanding of how serious dementia really is.[/quote] There are many levels to dementia. In the beginning stages he'd be more than well-equipped to do all of that. Furthermore, he doesn't even have to do it personally - he has a whole host of figureheads and officials to get to do his dirtywork besides. This 'wild paranoia and conspiracy' is something that we've dealt with a lot in our presidents. Cleveland had a cancerous growth on the top of his mouth and full-throatedly denied it and suppressed information about it - even after it was reported - with such vigor that it took 23 years to be confirmed. Wilson had polyps in his nose that were removed in the summer of 1918. It took until 2007 for those reports to surface. Truman was hospitalized with strep throat and his full medical report wasn't revealed until 2010. JFK suffered from Addison's disease and his doctors [I]denied[/I] he had it. He collapsed twice in office due to the effects of said disease. Characterizing concern over there being a coverup/conspiracy to shield the president's poor health from the public eye as 'wild paranoia and conspiracy' when we've gone through this several times before is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;53054663]As someone with family with demntia, it doesn't instantly turn you into a bumbling dolt that can't eat cereal. It is a slow amd steady process.[/QUOTE] I was being a bit hyperbolic because I'll admit, these wild theories are a bit bothering, but what I'm trying to say is, how the hell would he even be able to do all of those things if he had it. If he really slowly losing his memory, there's simply no way he'd be able to hide it THAT well, and there's no way a doctor would get away with hiding it or want to. As a note I've only seen the aftermath, rather than the 'process'