• Halloween Costume for Disney's "Moana" Is Called Racist For Using Fake Brown Skin
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[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51092318]idgi so would a black kid wearing this [t]https://images-mm.s3.amazonaws.com/BSS_800865_POP.jpg[/t] be considered racist? (edited for better example)[/QUOTE] No because the skin is white :~)
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51091919]In my opinion, the only reason why blackface is still offensive is because people are clinging to the old racist usage[/QUOTE] no it's racist because it was used in a racist manner in the past and we still haven't really moved past that era of our history so it's still racist.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51093302]no it's racist because it was used in a racist manner in the past and we still haven't really moved past that era of our history so it's still racist.[/QUOTE] Good luck moving past that era with that mentality. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;51092300] [t]https://blackhistorycollection.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/dsc00578.jpg[/t] [/QUOTE] Fun fact: Darkies are now called "Darlie", but in Hong Kong they're stilled referred by their old name "黑人", or "Black Man".
I don't know how some people have so much time on their hands to get insulted over everything. Don't they have lives with real issues to deal with?
[QUOTE=Pascall;51091980]I'm not a costume designer, man. Just saying that there could possibly have been some alternatives to trying to make a costume of a shirtless dude in the first place? Idk.[/QUOTE] Why should we have to have an alternative if a child wants to dress specifically as that character?
[QUOTE=Pascall;51091943]I don't understand why the skin color has to be apart of the costume. Probably should've gone with Moana costumes instead of Maui.[/QUOTE] I assume it's because the tattoos are an important part of the character, and there's no way to have those as a costume without also having the rest of the skin.
Funny how before people were crying over more diversity. Now it seems like they want to suppress anything that's not white...
[QUOTE=V12US;51093895]I assume it's because the tattoos are an important part of the character, and there's no way to have those as a costume without also having the rest of the skin.[/QUOTE] Transparent shower curtain material with the tattoos on it? It would be kind of convoluted, but it [I]could[/I] potentially be done.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51091980]I'm not a costume designer, man. Just saying that there could possibly have been some alternatives to trying to make a costume of a shirtless dude in the first place? Idk.[/QUOTE] I would describe myself as a pretty fervent anti-racist but this costume and cultural appropriation stuff seems so misdirected. At uni people go to toga parties, is that wrong? I dressed a a masai warrior when I was younger (sans blackface, see below) was I misappropriating their culture? When a hippy guy has dreadlocks is that misappropriating? When people wear muscle suits or golf outfits on nights out are they bad? Why is it ok to wear a bowler hat but not ok to wear an "plains indian"/native american war bonnet? On to black face, people wear different coloured contact lenses and dye their hair for fancy dress, if its not malicious why shouldn't people be able to do it? We shouldn't let the legacy of racism taint things, just because some assholes used blackface to stop black people acting doesn't mean it should be frowned upon now (even tho black people are still under represented in film), thats just keeping the wound open. Whats the benefit? If I take an interest in a culture to dress up as it, even if its a lazy/ignorant attempt whats the problem? Why should it be considered racist? Culture, colour and diversity should be celebrated, the interest should be applauded and used as an opportunity to learn or educate.
clearly we should just skip the middleman and tell kids liking characters that aren't the same ethnicity as them is racist
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;51093928]clearly we should just skip the middleman and tell kids liking characters that aren't the same ethnicity as them is racist[/QUOTE] This right here is the saddest part. I think stuff like OP and cultural misappropriation undermine and belittle all anti-racism initiatives. Racists will use this like "you get called racist for anything these days, political correctness gone mad" and will then use it to dismiss genuine criticism of their actual racist behaviour. It's handing them a strawman to use. Real sad
The worst part is if they made the costume white skinned they would have called it racist for removing the native color of the skin. Calling people xenophobic for not staying true to the heritage of the character. LMFAO YOU CANT WIN WITH THESE SJWS.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;51094050]LMFAO YOU CANT WIN WITH THESE SJWS.[/QUOTE] The only winning move is not to play. I seriously doubt that Disney would have fared badly if they just ignored this particular outrage.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;51094050]LMFAO YOU CANT WIN WITH THESE SJWS.[/QUOTE] ah yes the SJW boogeyman here at FP, "outrage culture" is so ridiculous that you guys actually get outraged over other people being outraged. you really have driven the term "SJW" into the ground [QUOTE=phaedon;51094068]The only winning move is not to play.[/QUOTE] too late, SH is seemingly masochistic in its drive for seeking anger from other people's differing opinions
[QUOTE=djshox;51094079]ah yes the SJW boogeyman here at FP, "outrage culture" is so ridiculous that you guys actually get outraged over other people being outraged. you really have driven the term "SJW" into the ground too late, SH is seemingly masochistic in its drive for seeking anger from other people's differing opinions[/QUOTE] Firstly, I met one on the street the other day, thats right IRL! boogeyman? no not so much, these people are very real and their ideology spreads like wild fire to the weak minded. Secondly. I'm not outraged. I actually find humor and entertainment in this. I have way more going in my life than to want to be outraged by other people's opinion. Hell the only reason i come to SH is because it's a cot damn entertainment section. You think I'm here for the news? Maybe you, but not me.
[QUOTE=djshox;51094079]ah yes the SJW boogeyman here at FP, "outrage culture" is so ridiculous that you guys actually get outraged over other people being outraged. you really have driven the term "SJW" into the ground[/QUOTE] Boogeyman? If they truly were a boogeyman there wouldn't be an outrage about something as ridiculous as this in the first place. Also, this is not the first time I've seen the "outrage about outrage" argument, and I really have to point out how bullshit it is. The problem is not the existence of outrage per se, it's that it's completely unjustified and basically looking for things to be angry about. This in turn end up stifling people's creativity because it turns something that's supposed to be unrestrained (to some extent) expression into a balancing act of walking on eggshells so as not to offend people. How is that not a valid criticism? And how, pray tell, is it hypocritical to criticize this behavior?
[QUOTE=_Axel;51094241]basically looking for things to be angry about.[/QUOTE] and here we are in this thread there's a pattern that emerges every time there's some "ridiculous outrage" going on, and every time a thread like this gets made, it's an easy bait line and sinker the original group that is offended, like the one claiming the halloween costume for the moana character, is a small vocal minority. it is almost always the small vocal minority. the issue that arises, is when their cause gets attention. OP and others like him/her that make these threads, are giving them a larger platform. you are giving this group the attention and exposure they want. whether or not their outrage is justified doesn't matter when you're letting their voices be heard to a larger audience; and thus they inevitably pick up more supporters. i wish you and the others would follow my mindset of "hey, i don't really see the issue but best of luck to their cause i guess. no need to lose sleep over it" it's kind of wild since i would typically be considered the resident tumblr SJW around here, and i have seen the protest post on tumblr about the costume, but even that post has a pretty small following. i know that disney means well and does what they can to respect the culture, and they also mean to make tons of money off this movie. however i'm also very caucasian, so the only group of people that should really be heard are islanders since they're very much a minority population group here in the US, and really they're the only relevant crowd in this discussion. are halloween costumes involving race considered tacky? sure. the he-man costume that was posted earlier is silly, and the white skin portion isn't really needed. but would blackface be considered tasteless? absolutely. is the skin color of a character reeeaally needed to dress up as someone? not really. as a cosplayer, i know the vast majority of other cosplayers know better than to use blackface, or hell, even use a spray-tan to quickly become a dark-skinned character like a good number of avatar airbender characters.
[QUOTE=djshox;51094454]and here we are in this thread there's a pattern that emerges every time there's some "ridiculous outrage" going on, and every time a thread like this gets made, it's an easy bait line and sinker the original group that is offended, like the one claiming the halloween costume for the moana character, is a small vocal minority. it is almost always the small vocal minority. the issue that arises, is when their cause gets attention. OP and others like him/her that make these threads, are giving them a larger platform. you are giving this group the attention and exposure they want. whether or not their outrage is justified doesn't matter when you're letting their voices be heard to a larger audience; and thus they inevitably pick up more supporters. i wish you and the others would follow my mindset of "hey, i don't really see the issue but best of luck to their cause i guess. no need to lose sleep over it"[/QUOTE] Saying people shouldn't bring attention to that discussion may seem like a sound argument, however if we go by what you say and assume it's a really tiny minority, then we can say the same about talking about it on a SH thread about a dozen people tops are reading: It doesn't bring that much attention either. Even then, small minorities can still yield a lot of power, especially when they're very vocal. Just look at the whole Gamergate shebang, a group of people who were seemingly nobodies managed to turn the narrative in their favor, and ended up pretty high in the chain, talking to the UN and accessing positions of power within social media. I just don't buy into the whole "they're small so ignoring them is the best course of action". If you speak up against them, sure you may attract attention to someone who will subscribe to their ideas, but you'll also convince more people not to. If you ignore them, you let them grow unchallenged until they end up controlling the main narrative. [QUOTE]are halloween costumes involving race considered tacky? sure.[/QUOTE] I guess I'd agree with you when it comes to dressing up as a stereotypical depiction of a race, but dressing up as a specific character who happens to be of a different race than you are is another matter entirely. [QUOTE]the he-man costume that was posted earlier is silly, and the white skin portion isn't really needed.[/QUOTE] Yes it is, a muscular naked torso is a big part of He-Man's character. Unless you're ripped yourself, not having this portion wouldn't have as much impact. [QUOTE]but would blackface be considered tasteless? absolutely.[/QUOTE] I understand that point of view, but the reasons behind it are more historical than inherent to the practice itself. [QUOTE]is the skin color of a character reeeaally needed to dress up as someone? not really.[/QUOTE] I guess that depends on your point of view, but skin color is as much a part of the character as their outfit or hairstyle. Cosplayers regularly wear wigs to simulate hair, so some kind of make-up to get closer to the character's skin tone doesn't seem that far-fetched. [QUOTE]as a cosplayer, i know the vast majority of other cosplayers know better than to use blackface, or hell, [I]even use a spray-tan to quickly become a dark-skinned character like a good number of avatar airbender characters.[/I][/QUOTE] I don't really get that part, what's so offensive about spray tan? Would getting a regular tan on purpose to resemble a character more be considered offensive? Why is the bottled version any different? Also, keep in mind there's a big difference between cosplayers who are dedicated to their craft and little kids who just want to dress up for Halloween. You can't really expect a little kid to hit the gym to become as muscular as their character or get intricate fake tattoos.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;51093899]Transparent shower curtain material with the tattoos on it? It would be kind of convoluted, but it [I]could[/I] potentially be done.[/QUOTE] For what reason? Because some people get upset that you have a piece of cloth that represents a skin color? Take a step back and realize how dumb that sounds.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;51093899]Transparent shower curtain material with the tattoos on it? It would be kind of convoluted, but it [I]could[/I] potentially be done.[/QUOTE] That's what I thought about, it would look awful though.
not just awful but this is a kids costume I dont think many people would be comfortable with transparent clothing on kids, even if its just a top. Plus the guy its based off is fucking big. Really this is just like a typical halloween muscle suit, its stupid that its suddenly a big problem when it has brown skin. [editline]23rd September 2016[/editline] only halloween muscle suits I dont like is when they put BIG-ASS muscles on slim characters like Spider-man
[QUOTE=Ardosos;51093899]Transparent shower curtain material with the tattoos on it? It would be kind of convoluted, but it [I]could[/I] potentially be done.[/QUOTE] Not breathable. You'd have a hot, sweaty, crabby kid who's been marinating in his own juices all evening, and nobody wants that. (there's potential for over-heating as well)
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51093943]This right here is the saddest part. I think stuff like OP and cultural misappropriation undermine and belittle all anti-racism initiatives. Racists will use this like "you get called racist for anything these days, political correctness gone mad" and will then use it to dismiss genuine criticism of their actual racist behaviour. It's handing them a strawman to use. Real sad[/QUOTE] Not that it excuses anyone from racist behavior, but they aren't exactly wrong about everything being labeled racism as a retort to almost anything as of recently. I mean look at this winner right here: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GqKCtkk.jpg[/IMG] I have no words.
[QUOTE=V12US;51094588]For what reason? Because some people get upset that you have a piece of cloth that represents a skin color? Take a step back and realize how dumb that sounds.[/QUOTE] Like do you think I'm in support of it? I'm trying to point out how dumb it would be.
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