Obama, urging gun control, says 'shame on us' if people forget Newtown victims - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40090192]The difference is that medicine bottles use safety caps, alcohol is usually stored in bottles that children find difficult to open (or in hidden cupboards for that nice glass of sherry), and the machinery is turned off with it probably having multiple safety features. If you keep a shotgun for self defence, you don't keep the fucking thing loaded next to your bed. At the very least, keep it unloaded with the shells inside the drawers.[/QUOTE] Or, the far more reasonable option, is that you keep the gun loaded, chamber empty. Then you manually load a round when you need it. No need to go digging through drawers when you're half asleep in the middle of the night with a threat in the next room.

[QUOTE=laserguided;40090224]Then you need to load it, possibly in the dark with many other factors.[/quote] When its literally right next to you? You make it sound as though that despite being able to find and aim your gun in the dark, you can't do anything else as this human shaped target is standing in your room motionless(which for some reason is leering over your bed waiting to be shot). Must a reason be invented for every possible thing, despite it being so incredibly unlikely that I have better chance of finding a teapot in orbit around Mars? [quote]There is this thing called firearms safety, though you seem pretty uninformed when it comes to firearms so I'll assume you're blindly speaking here. There are many other ways to keep it loaded and safe.[/QUOTE] Like?

Stop with this dumb situation-crafting bullshit, for each situation you can craft in favor of your opinion, someone can come up with one that's in favor of theirs.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40090296]When its literally right next to you? You make it sound as though that despite being able to find and aim your gun in the dark, you can't do anything else as this human shaped target is standing in your room motionless(which for some reason is leering over your bed waiting to be shot). Must a reason be invented for every possible thing, despite it being so incredibly unlikely that I have better chance of finding a teapot in orbit around Mars? Like?[/QUOTE] Keeping the chamber empty and blocking moving parts are the two simplest things you could do. There are many people who keep shotguns loaded without a shell in the chamber.

[QUOTE=Ridge;40090236]Or, the far more reasonable option, is that you keep the gun loaded, chamber empty. Then you manually load a round when you need it. No need to go digging through drawers when you're half asleep in the middle of the night with a threat in the next room.[/QUOTE] It literally doesn't take that long to pull open a drawer. A much more sane strategy would be to keep a handgun inside the drawer, instead of leaving a loaded shotgun lying around the bedroom. [editline]30th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;40090312]Stop with this dumb situation-crafting bullshit, for each situation you can craft in favor of your opinion, someone can come up with one that's in favor of theirs.[/QUOTE] Except the situation that somebody will break into your house to kill you is incredibly and insanely unlikely. The fact the state is getting better at the job of clamping down on crime makes the probability of getting murdered by intruders increasingly lower. Why bother investing in a gun for self-defense if the probability is so low?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40090296]When its literally right next to you? You make it sound as though that despite being able to find and aim your gun in the dark, you can't do anything else as this human shaped target is standing in your room motionless(which for some reason is leering over your bed waiting to be shot). Must a reason be invented for every possible thing, despite it being so incredibly unlikely that I have better chance of finding a teapot in orbit around Mars? Like?[/QUOTE] You get up in the middle of the night to take a piss. Even though you know what's in your place, you are still going to stumble around and bump into doors. And that is with your body. Now try to be digging through a drawer trying to find an object that can roll around, load that into your gun, and load the chamber.

[QUOTE=Ridge;40090343]You get up in the middle of the night to take a piss. Even though you know what's in your place, you are still going to stumble around and bump into doors. And that is with your body. Now try to be digging through a drawer trying to find an object that can roll around, load that into your gun, and load the chamber.[/QUOTE] So, do you keep a loaded shotgun beside the bed for the extremely unlikely possibility this will happen?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40090361]So, do you keep a loaded shotgun beside the bed for the extremely unlikely possibility this will happen?[/QUOTE] Are we talking double barrel? Pump-action? Magazine fed? The situation changes with all of these.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;40090372]Are we talking double barrel? Pump-action? Magazine fed? The situation changes with all of these.[/QUOTE] I was assuming double barrel shotgun. That's the only shotgun I've extensively used.

That's exactly the point though. The situation doesn't matter because it can be changed so that what you're describing as a problem isn't a problem anymore.

You can talk all you want about how it'll be better or worse if we have guns or not, but the reality is that everyone already has their hands on them. If you ban them now, you're just taking them away from responsible users and making a black market for the people who are much more likely to abuse them. It happened with drugs, it'll happen with guns. And I don't think anyone wants criminals running around with these weapons.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40090361]So, do you keep a loaded shotgun beside the bed for the extremely unlikely possibility this will happen?[/QUOTE] Oh hell no. I keep a loaded M1 Garand with bayonet beside the bed for the unlikely possibility this will happen. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/p1n1Xvlh.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40090326]Except the situation that somebody will break into your house to kill you is incredibly and insanely unlikely.[/QUOTE] You don't know us, you don't know the conditions in which we live, whether we want to prepare for a situation, unlikely or not, is up to us. not the state, not you, us. We want to buy a shit ton of non-perishable food in the unlikely event of another great-depression, that's our choice. We want to be able to defend ourselves ASAP in the event of someone breaking into our home, that's our choice. The world isn't perfect, I don't care how low the rate is, it happens, so we can prepare for it if we damn well please.

[QUOTE=Ridge;40090437]Oh hell no. I keep a loaded M1 Garand with bayonet beside the bed for the unlikely possibility this will happen. [IMG_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/p1n1Xvlh.jpg[/IMG_thumb][/QUOTE] I hide under the bed and phone the bobbies. [editline]30th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=soulharvester;40090467]We want to buy a shit ton of non-perishable food in the unlikely event of another great-depression, that's our choice.[/QUOTE] Hoarding shit during periods of negative economic growth doesn't end well.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40090470]I hide under the bed and phone the bobbies.[/QUOTE] I keep the carbine under the bed. (It also has a bayonet) [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vnF4TaVh.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40090470]Hoarding shit during periods of negative economic growth doesn't end well.[/QUOTE] And why is that?

[QUOTE=soulharvester;40090521]And why is that?[/QUOTE] Mainly for two reasons: 1. You suddenly have something a lot of hungry people want, in bulk. 2. Buying tons of shit when you think there will be scarcity, actually leads to scarcity. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Sure, I can die one day when the world is falling to bits and if I only had a stockpile of X I would have survived. Then again, I wouldn't want to live in such a world. Especially if the economic situation had deteriorated to the point of famine.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40090470]I hide under the bed and phone the bobbies.[/QUOTE] and they look under the bed and shoot you with their illegal gun what you do is keep a pump-action shotgun with eight shells in the tube under your bed, and none in the chamber. should shit hit the fan, you grab that shit and rack the slide. then you're ready to slot floppies

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40090668]1. You suddenly have something a lot of hungry people want, in bulk.[/QUOTE] Hmm, yes. That [i]could[/i] be problematic, were it not for the fact that I have a [b]GUN[/b].

[QUOTE=Ridge;40090710]Hmm, yes. That [i]could[/i] be problematic, were it not for the fact that I have a [b]GUN[/b].[/QUOTE] That sounds like a dystopia. Having to sit in your house, protecting yourself and your food supplies from hostile people all the time. Honestly, in that world, my gun only needs a single bullet. [editline]30th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Neat!;40090683]and they look under the bed and shoot you with their illegal gun what you do is keep a pump-action shotgun with eight shells in the tube under your bed, and none in the chamber. should shit hit the fan, you grab that shit and rack the slide. then you're ready to slot floppies[/QUOTE] Then I climb out the window and run away. Honestly I'm a coward. My life is more important than risking the chance of getting shot in my own home by a bunch of intruders.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40090770]Then I climb out the window and run away. Honestly I'm a coward. My life is more important than risking the chance of getting shot in my own home by a bunch of intruders.[/QUOTE] And if that's your choice, then fine. I hold nothing against you for it. I'd simply prefer not to run.

[QUOTE=Ridge;40090832]And if that's your choice, then fine. I hold nothing against you for it. I'd simply prefer not to run.[/QUOTE] It is good to know when to run, and when not to run.

[QUOTE=Ridge;40090511]I keep the carbine under the bed. (It also has a bayonet) [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vnF4TaVh.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Not locked, magazine inside, in easily accessible place. I understand its for self-defense but aren't you married? And don't you have a child? That is incredibly dangerous and as a responsible gun owner that is just negligent.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;40091290]Not locked, magazine inside, in easily accessible place. I understand its for self-defense but aren't you married? And don't you have a child? That is incredibly dangerous and as a responsible gun owner that is just negligent.[/QUOTE] He has neither. And theres most likely no round in the chamber.

I doubt its possible to somehow trip over the bed, get your leg thrown under and toe stuck in the trigger, then conveniently having it thrown towards you and somehow the weapon chambers a round and fires. Looks okay to me.

[QUOTE=laserguided;40091434]I doubt its possible to somehow trip over the bed, get your leg thrown under and toe stuck in the trigger, then conveniently having it thrown towards you and somehow the weapon chambers a round and fires. Looks okay to me.[/QUOTE] You think pulling the trigger's the only thing that can get a loaded weapon to discharge? [editline]30th March 2013[/editline] Well, guess it's forgivable if he's not got a round chambered.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40091629]You think pulling the trigger's the only thing that can get a loaded weapon to discharge? [editline]30th March 2013[/editline] Well, guess it's forgivable if he's not got a round chambered.[/QUOTE] anyone who owns a gun that fires when dropped is sorta asking for it

[QUOTE=Neat!;40091768]anyone who owns a gun that fires when dropped is sorta asking for it[/QUOTE] You can't drop it, its on the floor.

You can probably kick it, but it's sorta hard to kick something under your bed unless you're Flubber or Stretch Armstrong, in which case you probably don't own a gun anyway.

Its a little sad that Ridge lives in the category of gun owner that is 10 times more likely to commit suicide than the average person. The ones who keep loaded guns near easily accessed. The kind that are more likely to shoot themselves than any intruder. Nothing like a little faulty risk assessment.