Obama, urging gun control, says 'shame on us' if people forget Newtown victims - Polidicks

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082509][I]Obsession[/I] carries negative connotation. Love does not. Its implying there is an unhealthy relationship between guns and gun owners.[/QUOTE] Its also notably less rude than saying they're like casual racists.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082517]Its also notably less rude than saying they're like casual racists.[/QUOTE] Only you and other people made that connection. I just said they were symptomatically similar. But obviously, that was a too much of a complex point to make for the majority of facepunch to understand. Well done. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082506]I disagree. Does it make suicide [I]easier?[/I] Debatable.[/QUOTE] Again its like arguing with creationists. Did you even read the study? Of course you didn't.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;40080926] Buying a firearm already means that you have to submit to a background check.[/QUOTE] nope

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082528]Only you and other people made that connection. I just said they were symptomatically similar.[/QUOTE] Yeah, enjoying a hobby and speaking out against laws that would hinder law-abiding citizens without any real effect on crime and murder, is totally the same thing as believing the inferior races should be exterminated or segregated.

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40082577]Yeah, enjoying a hobby and speaking out against laws that would hinder law-abiding citizens without any real effect on crime and murder, is totally the same thing as believing the inferior races should be exterminated or segregated.[/QUOTE] Project more. Strawman more. I never said that. Just because I failed to articulate a point well, doesn't give you a ready made argument.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082528]Only you and other people made that connection. I just said they were symptomatically similar. But obviously, that was a too much of a complex point to make for the majority of facepunch to understand. Well done. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] Again its like arguing with creationists. Did you even read the study? Of course you didn't.[/QUOTE] And we're still doing direct insults on people in the thread. Well done.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082586]And we're still doing direct insults on people in the thread. Well done.[/QUOTE] But did you?

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[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082585]Project more. Strawman more. I never said that. Just because I failed to articulate a point well, doesn't give you a ready made argument.[/QUOTE] [I]you[/I] brought the racist thing into the discussion dude. [I]you[/I] compared gun owners to "casual racists" [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;40082594]But did you?[/QUOTE] Its a fucking huge study, no I haven't had the chance to go through it. there were [I]21[/I] cited articles on it. Why don't you go get whats relevant in it instead of posting links and acting as if you did your part?

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082599]Its a fucking huge study, no I haven't had the chance to go through it. there were [I]21[/I] cited articles on it.[/QUOTE] So I insulted you by being right? Brilliant. Ps. It's not that long. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082599][I]you[/I] brought the racist thing into the discussion dude. [I]you[/I] compared gun owners to "casual racists"[/QUOTE] You understand what an analogy is? Yet you still believe I'm calling gun owners racist. I'm honestly amazed.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082517]Its also notably less rude than saying they're like casual racists.[/QUOTE] He never called gun owners casual racists.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082629]So I insulted you by being right? Brilliant. Ps. It's not that long.[/QUOTE] not having the chance to read it =/= you're automatically right. Plus, its a study that shows a possible connection between two bodies of data. How many studies have we seen that have been countered by another study done afterwards? Just because you have [I]A[/I] study doesn't mean that my family members are more likely to kill themselves simply because a gun is in their name in a walmart transaction database.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082652]not having the chance to read it =/= you're automatically right. Plus, its a study that shows a possible connection between two bodies of data. How many studies have we seen that have been countered by another study done afterwards? Just because you have [I]A[/I] study doesn't mean that my family members are more likely to kill themselves simply because a gun is in their name in a walmart transaction database.[/QUOTE] That creationist feeling again. But joking aside, it doesn't take long to read it. I re-read it before posting it anyway.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082629] [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] You understand what an analogy is? Yet you still believe I'm calling gun owners racist. I'm honestly amazed.[/QUOTE] Racism wouldn't have even entered the thread if you hadn't made the comparison.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082678]Racism wouldn't have even entered the thread if you hadn't made the comparison.[/QUOTE] Where is this racism? I have yet to see a racist comment. Its a tired point now, I made a point badly, you guys through an hissy fit over it because you thought you finally got a legitimate point to make, hence the inability to drop it.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082685]Where is this racism? I have yet to see a racist comment.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=NoDachi;40081972]Being a 'responsible gun owner' is like being a 'casual racist' amongst friends, you still perpetuate a problem.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Its a tired point now, I made a point badly, you guys through an hissy fit over it because you thought you finally got a legitimate point to make, hence the inability to drop it.[/QUOTE] Honestly, how do you even fucking function. At this point you're just backpedaling and screaming I NEVER SAID THAT, no wait I SAID THAT BUT I DIDN'T MEAN IT, YOU GUYS ARE DUMB.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082685]Where is this racism? I have yet to see a racist comment. Its a tired point now, I made a point badly, you guys through an hissy fit over it because you thought you finally got a legitimate point to make, hence the inability to drop it.[/QUOTE] Alright, I'll drop it then. Ah, and I read through part of your study. [quote]Third, guns are common in the United States (more than one third of U.S. households contain a firearm) and are lethal. A suicide attempt with a firearm rarely affords a second chance. [B]Attempts involving drugs or cutting, which account for more than [U][B]90%[/B][/U] of [U][B]all[/B][/U][B] [/B]suicidal acts, prove fatal far less often.[/B][/quote] Guns being more effective at it doesn't mean that it makes people more suicidal, dude, it just means that they fail less often.

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40082716]Honestly, how do you even fucking function. At this point you're just backpedaling and screaming I NEVER SAID THAT, no wait I SAID THAT BUT I DIDN'T MEAN IT, YOU GUYS ARE DUMB.[/QUOTE] The real kicker of the analogy was the 'you still perpetuate a problem.' part. I could have inserted nearly anything into the analogy. The 'casual racism' part you're so fixated at isn't even that important. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082728]Guns being more effective at it doesn't mean that it makes people more suicidal, dude, it just means that they fail less often.[/QUOTE] Never said otherwise.

Shame on you obama and shame on the other political figures for riding on the backs of dead children to push their agendas and poor legislation that would not normally get passed. They've been cashing on dead kids like it is going out of style.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082175]You make that sound like a radical statement. In a western country like the USA, UK or Germany you can't have gun violence without an arms industry. [B]You can't have an arms industry without people willing to fund one[/B].[/QUOTE]So you ARE suggesting that we should ban all guns of any sort forever...

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082733] Never said otherwise.[/QUOTE] [B][I]AGGGHGHHHGHG[/I][/B] Gettin real tired of that statement. [QUOTE=NoDachi;40082231]Do you find it insulting to know that gun owners are between 2-10 times more likely to commit suicide than those without? If not, why so?[/QUOTE] YOU SAID that they were more likely to commit suicide. Unless you meant that simply people who OWN GUNS are more likely to commit suicide in general, in which case the ownership of guns is a coincidence, which means IT WAS A COMPLETELY FUCKING USELESS POINT TO MAKE, WHICH PROVES MY POOOOOINT. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Calm down" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082733]The real kicker of the analogy was the 'you still perpetuate a problem.' part.[/QUOTE] Which is still kind of stupid. The trade of illicit arms wouldn't magically stop if civilian gun ownership suddenly became illegal.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;40082753]So you ARE suggesting that we should ban all guns of any sort forever...[/QUOTE] Recognising that Israel has destabilised the middle-east, doesn't mean I'm saying we should wipe them from the maps. Oh no another analogy :downs: [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082758]YOU SAID that they were more likely to commit suicide. Unless you meant that simply people who OWN GUNS are more likely to commit suicide in general, in which case the ownership of guns is a coincidence, which means IT WAS A COMPLETELY FUCKING USELESS POINT TO MAKE, WHICH PROVES MY POOOOOINT.[/QUOTE] If someone had committed suicide. They have been successful. A suicide attempt, is when they have not. Again, that reading comprehension isn't helping you one bit.

Honestly, I have yet to see a reason as to why the US should have gun control. Concealed weapons are used for successful protection more often than they are used for successful assault, they save more lives than they take, stop violent crime more often than they are a part of it, and offer a safer life to honest citizens. And NoDachi, please stop throwing insults around.

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40082764]Which is still kind of stupid. The trade of illicit arms wouldn't magically stop if civilian gun ownership suddenly became illegal.[/QUOTE] I don't see how something magically stopping or not is a deciding factor on if the gun industry has perpetuated a problem.

[QUOTE=Fhux;40082787]And NoDachi, please stop throwing insults around.[/QUOTE] But how else can he compare you to God-Fearing war-mongering republican CREATONISTS (oh no)!

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082771] If someone had committed suicide. They have been successful. A suicide attempt, is when they have not. Again, that reading comprehension isn't helping you one bit.[/QUOTE] NOOOO nonononono, A suicide [I]attempt[/I] is just that, an [I]attempt.[/I] It includes both successful [B]and[/B] unsuccessful attempts.

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40082716]Honestly, how do you even fucking function. At this point you're just backpedaling and screaming I NEVER SAID THAT, no wait I SAID THAT BUT I DIDN'T MEAN IT, YOU GUYS ARE DUMB.[/QUOTE] He wasn't directly correlating responsible gun owners to casual racists. Before asking how other people function I'd recommend basic reading comprehension courses. [QUOTE=MR-X;40082746]Shame on you obama and shame on the other political figures for riding on the backs of dead children to push their agendas and poor legislation that would not normally get passed. They've been cashing on dead kids like it is going out of style.[/QUOTE] Because pro-gun political figures aren't doing the exact same thing only way more cynical and evil by telling people they should get more guns.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;40082831]He wasn't directly correlating responsible gun owners to casual racists. Before asking how other people function I'd recommend basic reading comprehension courses. Because pro-gun political figures aren't doing the exact same thing only way more cynical and evil by telling people they should get more guns.[/QUOTE] Funny how its just the other side of the debate throwing insults. and he said "political figures" which could include both pro-gun and anti-gun figures, dude.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;40080718]Thought we had put the event behind us[/QUOTE] When an event like a mass shooting happens, and it's a part of a recurring trend, maybe it's not something you should just "put behind you". Should politicians just ignore the rampant gun violence in the united states because certain people don't want to give up their steel penis compensators?