Obama, urging gun control, says 'shame on us' if people forget Newtown victims - Polidicks

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082850]Funny how its just the other side of the debate throwing insults. and he said "political figures" which could include both pro-gun and anti-gun figures, dude.[/QUOTE] Is that why he singled out obama and mentioned "poor legislation" like the kind Democrats are trying to push right now? Either way his argument is the same old shit pushed by people on the right to shut up any kind of debate on the issue. How long will we have to wait until debating gun control is kosher? Newtown was 3 months ago.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082850]Funny how its just the other side of the debate throwing insults.[/QUOTE] You insult reasonable debate with a frustrating ability to flout nearly all of its maxims. So don't blame it all on me.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;40080724]Missing the point 101 is now in session. Seriously, can we stop acting like guns are what's causing people to do crazy things?[/QUOTE] Rich irony, that. No, the point he's making (And that you're missing) is that it's far too easy for nutjobs to get their hands on guns in the USA.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082900]You insult reasonable debate with a frustrating ability to flout nearly all of its maxims. So don't blame it all on me.[/QUOTE] I'm not the one throwing analogies everywhere and crying strawman a million times.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082921]I'm not the one throwing analogies everywhere and crying strawman a million times.[/QUOTE] The first three pages were people attacking a strawman they constructed from a painfully simple to grasp analogy.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082921]I'm not the one throwing analogies everywhere and crying strawman a million times.[/QUOTE] Analogies and being critical of how you process everything wrote are perfectly legitimate.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40082911]Rich irony, that. No, the point he's making (And that you're missing) is that it's far too easy for nutjobs to get their hands on guns in the USA.[/QUOTE] And the response was trying to push an AWB. That's going a bit beyond keeping guns out of the hands of nutjobs.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40082870]When an event like a mass shooting happens, and it's a part of a recurring trend, maybe it's not something you should just "put behind you". Should politicians just ignore the rampant gun violence in the united states because certain people don't want to give up their steel penis compensators?[/QUOTE] You are making the assumption that guns are the root cause for those violent crimes.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;40082888]Is that why he singled out obama and mentioned "poor legislation" like the kind Democrats are trying to push right now? Either way his argument is the same old shit pushed by people on the right to shut up any kind of debate on the issue. How long will we have to wait until debating gun control is kosher? Newtown was 3 months ago.[/QUOTE] You should ask the political figures that keep suggesting bullshit legislation. I'm thinking about the time shit legislation gets suggested is about when it becomes normal to talk about it.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40082870]When an event like a mass shooting happens, and it's a part of a recurring trend, maybe it's not something you should just "put behind you". Should politicians just ignore the rampant gun violence in the united states because certain people don't want to give up their steel penis compensators?[/QUOTE] Don't worry Zeke, after they get the guns, they'll come after other scape-goats too, like videogames, or the internet.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40082870]Should politicians just ignore the rampant gun violence in the united states[/QUOTE] Well they could try proposing something useful, for once. [QUOTE]because certain people don't want to give up their steel penis compensators?[/QUOTE] Now, that's just a childish thing to say. I guess I'm compensating for the fact my penis can't poke holes in paper targets a couple hundred meters away, but if it could my bedroom would look like a warzone.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;40082945]Don't worry Zeke, after they get the guns, they'll come after other scape-goats too, like videogames, or the internet.[/QUOTE] yes just like they did in the UK and Australia :downs: Of wait, it actually worked. And things are better now than they have ever been.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40082911]Rich irony, that. No, the point he's making (And that you're missing) is that it's far too easy for nutjobs to get their hands on guns in the USA.[/QUOTE] Then why not do something other than ban all guns for everybody? Why not enforce something else that doesn't involve just capping magazines and banning semi autos which would do nothing. That way both sides will win

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082956]yes just like they did in the UK and Australia :downs: Of wait, it actually worked. And things are better now than they have ever been.[/QUOTE] Its not like gun violence in Australia was already going down when that happened or anything.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082956]yes just like they did in the UK and Australia :downs: Of wait, it actually worked. And things are better now than they have ever been.[/QUOTE] I was under the impression the UK was the worst EU country crime-wise...

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;40082972]Its not like gun violence in Australia was already going down when that happened or anything.[/QUOTE] [quote=The Economist]Opponents of gun controls may respond with familiar flurries of statistics. In Hartford, for instance, several pro-gun demonstrators cited the same talking point, claiming (falsely) that home invasion rates soared in Australia after that country banned the most powerful forms of guns in 1996, following a mass shooting. Actually, home break-in and robbery rates have fallen sharply in Australia since 1996, as have gun-death rates, with no corresponding rise in other forms of homicide.[/quote] [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40082990]I was under the impression the UK was the worst EU country crime-wise...[/QUOTE] Crime still fell after the bans, if that is what you're worried about.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;40082945]Don't worry Zeke, after they get the guns, they'll come after other scape-goats too, like videogames, or the internet.[/QUOTE] This is what gun nuts actually believe.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40082992]Crime still fell after the bans, if that is what you're worried about.[/QUOTE] Yet the fact that the rest of the EU is a nicer place despite not banning guns apparently isn't something worth mentioning?

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40083028]Yet the fact that the rest of the EU is a nicer place despite not banning guns apparently isn't something worth mentioning?[/QUOTE] I didn't know fully automatic rifles were legal in some parts of the European Union. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] If you're a collector of guns, buy the inert ones, or the semi-automatic ones. If you're a hunter and can't hit your quarry with a bolt-action rifle, you're a worthless hunter.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40083074]I didn't know fully automatic rifles were legal in some parts of the European Union.[/QUOTE] They're available in some EU countries after a whole bunch of paperwork, but remember they're incredibly restricted in the US too, in additon to costing like a small car.

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40083028]Yet the fact that the rest of the EU is a nicer place despite not banning guns apparently isn't something worth mentioning?[/QUOTE] Which countries would that be exactly? Switzerland? you mean the country that is nothing like the USA with its relationship to guns?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40083157]Which countries would that be exactly? Switzerland? you mean the country that is nothing like the USA with its relationship to guns?[/QUOTE] Since the UK is [i]the[/i] most restrictive EU country in this regard, I mean "pretty much all the other ones".

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40083157]Switzerland? you mean the country that is nothing like the USA with its relationship to guns?[/QUOTE] In that it actually trains and teaches proper gun-handling and shooting to about half it's citizens, and keeps them armed from 20 until about the age of 30?

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40083195]Since the UK is [i]the[/i] most restrictive EU country in this regard, I mean "pretty much all the other ones".[/QUOTE] Not true. Romania and Poland instantly spring to mind. I'm sure there are many others as well.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40083157]Which countries would that be exactly? Switzerland? you mean the country that is nothing like the USA with its relationship to guns?[/QUOTE] Finland seems to have pretty lenient gun laws. The only outlawed type of gun is fully automatic. You just need to have a license and a valid reason for wanting the gun, such as hobby shooting or hunting.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;40083227]In that it actually trains and teaches proper gun-handling and shooting to about half it's citizens, and keeps them armed until about the age of 30?[/QUOTE] Yes, and the fact that they don't invest masculinity or ego into firearms. Also that gun ownership in Switzerland is keeping an assault rifle locked in the attic in case of invasion. Where as in the USA, gun ownership is reduced to [img]http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/assets_c/2012/12/BushmasterAd-Maxim-thumb-510x684-56468.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40083232]Not true. Romania and Poland instantly spring to mind. I'm sure there are many others as well.[/QUOTE] Austria, Czech Republic, Germany, Italy, and the Scandinavian states, are all pretty lax. Even France to some degree. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;40083248]Also that gun ownership in Switzerland is keeping an assault rifle locked in the attic in case of invasion. [/QUOTE] Not really. Civilian ownership and sports shooting are quite widespread and popular.

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40083284]Austria, Czech Republic, Germany, Italy, and the Scandinavian states, are all pretty lax. Even France to some degree.[/QUOTE] France isn't lax. You need a sporting or hunting licence to own a firearm. They're not easy to get.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40083248]Where as in the USA, gun ownership is reduced to [img]http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/assets_c/2012/12/BushmasterAd-Maxim-thumb-510x684-56468.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Thanks for reducing what gun-ownership means to us, sure cleared that up, man, how would I know how to be a man without my bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that I would never bother buying because it's essentially something for show sold to people who just want to show it off. You know a lot of us have valid reasons for wanting to own guns, you know, like self-defense? Seriously though, don't try and tell us what gun-ownership means to us when you obviously haven't the slightest interest in it yourself. If you want to live in a nanny-state that dictates your every purchase and action for the betterment of the community because of a tiny minority of incidents feel free, but stop trying to convince us that we should have to do the same.

Some jackass was defending the civilian ownership of explosive anti-materiel rifles last time I tried to post in a gun-related thread. I'm sorry, dude, whoever you are, but there is no good reason at all for a civilian to own a 25mm high-explosive AM sniper rifle.