[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;38431311]The killer for NAND is that the memory starts to die after 7 years after not being used, the charge in the memory doesn't stay there forever. Game collectors everywhere will cry.[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of my dead Pokemon Gold; it happened in the past, and I'm sure it'll happen with NAND.
[QUOTE=Articsledder;38428044][IMG]http://s.ecrater.com/stores/177472/4c76e472b1902_177472n.jpg[/IMG]
???[/QUOTE]
Oh holy shit. Some of my laserdiscs DO have beveled edges. The inner ring, however, is perpendicular to the flat side of the disc. Half isn't bad.
[QUOTE=Magikoopa24;38431494]Reminds me of my dead Pokemon Gold; it happened in the past, and I'm sure it'll happen with NAND.[/QUOTE]
Back then, though, it was because they used battery-backed SRAM. SRAM holds memory indefinitely as long as there's a charge across it*, even just a tiny one, but even at milli-amps a battery eventually drains.
It's possible to replace the battery, though it's quite hard. I have a refurbed copy of Blue somewhere.
* SRAM is distinct from the DRAM you use in your computer**, which requires not just continuous power but continuous refreshing. If the memory controller doesn't periodically read and rewrite it, the data is lost, usually within seconds. SRAM requires no active interaction, just a tiny charge.
** The "RAM" in your computer may be DRAM, but SRAM is still all over the place. In particular, CPU cache is SRAM, as SRAM scales much better to insane clock speeds without the latency problems of DRAM. SRAM is not used for main memory, however, as it is roughly 8x as expensive bit-for-bit as DRAM.
I work at a record store and every once in a while there will be a cd with a rounded edge and it's the weirdest thing in the world. You just want to keep touching it. Also discs made out of gold, those are cool too.
I'm still looking forward for when games come in something with the size and read speed of an SD card.
[QUOTE=Wootman;38431236]I can't see a difference.
Like at all.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming its something like this.
This is a cross-section of a disc, or if you are viewing it on the side. The top image is a normal disc, the bottom one is a rounded disc.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/eQ5Bn.png[/img]
-snip late-
I'd imagine it's to prevent piracy (some sorta edge laser to see if the edges are rounded? but you could prevent piracy by increasing or decreasing the size of the disc a bit...), for child safety, and to give it a higher quality feel. Are the middle holes rounded too?
[QUOTE=latin_geek;38432003]I'd imagine it's to prevent piracy (some sorta edge laser to see if the edges are rounded? but you could prevent piracy by increasing or decreasing the size of the disc a bit...), for child safety, and to give it a higher quality feel. Are the middle holes rounded too?[/QUOTE]
I suspect it would rounded be for consistency, but all of the images are blurry around the middle holes. It also might not be rounded to give the motors a better grip on the disc, but I don't know if it would be a significant change.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;38432003]I'd imagine it's to prevent piracy (some sorta edge laser to see if the edges are rounded? but you could prevent piracy by increasing or decreasing the size of the disc a bit...), for child safety, and to give it a higher quality feel. Are the middle holes rounded too?[/QUOTE]
i think the fact that it's a proprietary format does enough to prevent piracy, rounded edges or not.
Why do people think its for anti-piracy? The disk isn't even a DVD or Blu-ray. Good luck get a disk burner for whatever type of disk format it is that isn't used by anything else.
If a disk burner did exist, then of course you could get the rounded disks. So what's even the point?
And with the Wii you could pirate games and run them off an external hard drive. If you can eventually do that on a Wii U then the disk roundness isn't going to stop anything.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38432074]Why do people think its for anti-piracy? The disk isn't even a DVD or Blu-ray. Good luck get a disk burner for whatever type of disk format it is that isn't used by anything else.
If a disk burner did exist, then of course you could get the rounded disks. So what's even the point?
And with the Wii you could pirate games and run them off an external hard drive. If you can eventually do that on a Wii U then the disk roundness isn't going to stop anything.[/QUOTE]
Its for anti-piracy for disc copy sales, not file sharing. I don't think pirates will readily have disc rounders for quite some time. I haven't heard of disc copying being a problem in a long time though. Maybe Nintendo is attempting to finish off the ones who still do?
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38428626]Shit like this drives up the costs of parts by a few cents assuming the infrastructure to produce it already exists (in this case they can probably get by with modifications to existing infrastructure). Realistically, it usually ends up costing much, much more. And because there's usually a monopoly involved it drives costs up further.
At best it makes margins thinner. At worst you could be looking at another price jump on titles.[/QUOTE]
Thats like saying the jump in console game prices this gen from $50 to $60, is because of the move to transparent/colored boxes.
revolutionary
Shame it's proprietary.
[QUOTE=D:\;38432751]Shame it's proprietary.[/QUOTE]
Very likely that it's based on Blu-ray.
Nintendo clearly are in league with the communists, what happens if Russia invades and I don't have my gun at hand?? With rounded edges Nintendo has disarmed me!!
[QUOTE=markg06;38432921]Nintendo clearly are in league with the communists, what happens if Russia invades and I don't have my gun at hand?? With rounded edges Nintendo has disarmed me!![/QUOTE]
Pull out your teeth and use them instead.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;38430593]I don't know, ever since I was a very young child I always completely automatically rounded 99 to 100 when it came to prices, if I wanted a $4.99 toy I'd always just say "$5." But, that's just me.[/QUOTE]
yeah, but for a split second when you first see it, your mind processes the $4 instead of a $5 and hence your perception is slightly different, even though you know the full $4.99 exactly the same as $5
the psychology of marketing is very subtle
[QUOTE=Liem;38428288]Though they meant rounded as in a circular disk.
I was kinda confused[/QUOTE]
I actually had a square CD once. It was fun to see people's reactions to it.
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;38428113]It's only costing the producers more though, it's purely anti-piracy[/QUOTE]
Can you explain to me how do rounded edges make it harder to put the disk into any DVD player?
I don't doubt the medium has many anti piracy measures, but this isn't one.
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[QUOTE=V12US;38433231]I actually had a square CD once. It was fun to see people's reactions to it.[/QUOTE]
I had one which was shaped and sized like a credit card. It worked. I was astounded.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38428084]Yet another stupid feature that drives up the costs of production.[/QUOTE]
Dude, it's not like it's a "tri-layer" disc or some unknown digital format... we're talking about sanding edges of discs..
Proprietary formats are a bit too '80s/'90s for me. Why Doesn't Nintendo go back to solid state media? Remember how much faster the N64 loaded compared to the PS1.
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[QUOTE=MIPS;38430027]You're actually quite close.
Glass laserdiscs also have rounded edges.[/QUOTE]
My grandfather has a Pioneer laserdisc 1993 Model. Still works too.
Darn.
I can't kill people with round edges... [sp]Or can I?[/sp]
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;38433365]Proprietary formats are a bit too '80s/'90s for me. Why Doesn't Nintendo go back to solid state media? Remember how much faster the N64 loaded compared to the PS1.[/QUOTE]
Because solid state costs literally 100x more than discs (for the amount of data they're using)
[QUOTE=Lizurd Man;38431556]Oh holy shit. Some of my laserdiscs DO have beveled edges. The inner ring, however, is perpendicular to the flat side of the disc. Half isn't bad.[/QUOTE]
Surely with a rounded inside edge there'd be almost no surface area in contact with the spindle and it'd slip
[img]http://www.blackmetal.com/dimmusaw.jpg[/img]
Sawblade disc shape best disc shape.
[QUOTE=sambooo;38434108]Surely with a rounded inside edge there'd be almost no surface area in contact with the spindle and it'd slip[/QUOTE]
except unless you're using one of those pop-out laptop optical drives it grips onto the 1cm-diameter clear plastic on the center, not just the borders of the inner ring.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;38435223]except unless you're using one of those pop-out laptop optical drives it grips onto the 1cm-diameter clear plastic on the center, not just the borders of the inner ring.[/QUOTE]
Does it grip both the top and bottom? If not any force applied to the bottom would push the disc up would it not?
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;38431080]I find it funny that the Wii's discs can hold 25gb of data, but will probably never need too and the XBox's discs can hold like 8gb on them and they need to hold more.[/QUOTE]
Uh, the wii uses either a 4.7GB or 8.5GB disk that is similar to DVD but spins in the other direction.
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