Teen Marijuana Use Shows No Effect On Brain Tissue, Unlike Alcohol, Study Finds - Polidicks

[QUOTE=King Tiger;38940736]Except that's not what he said at all. I will requote: He is at very least least saying that if you have never used drugs then you have never "seen a day of sunshine". Unless being anti-abstinence somehow makes you happy. It wasn't a very good post at all.[/QUOTE] ok keep clutching at straws. literally noone cares about this stupid argument you're passive-aggressively trying to incite so why don't you just stop

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38941911]ok keep clutching at straws. literally noone cares about this stupid argument you're passive-aggressively trying to incite so why don't you just stop[/QUOTE] If you don't care then why did you reply? And what are these "straws" I am grasping at. Explain how my points are weak.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;38930502]Also you must have superhuman metabolism or you didn't "just" get back from clubbing.[/QUOTE] yeah i smoked weed and chilled for a few hours at a few other places before i came back home. im glad you're concerned, but even if I was drunk my posts would still be a lot better than yours. [QUOTE=King Tiger;38930984]Except nobody did that. The three posts using the word "need" were all in response to a previous post that insulted those who choose not to use drugs. Starpluck said: The response was: gnome said: The response was: Starpluck said: The response was: In all cases (the posts which HumanAbyss specified) someone attacked those who choose to abstain from using drugs or alcohol, and the response was that "you don't [B]need[/B] drugs or alcohol to have fun". Nobody came into the threat outright (except for Crhem van der B, who I disagree with) and said "lololol don't do drugs kids".[/QUOTE] So much effort in a post for something literally no one cares about anymore

[QUOTE=King Tiger;38941921]If you don't care then why did you reply? And what are these "straws" I am grasping at. Explain how my points are weak.[/QUOTE] because i actually care about the issue this thread is about, and i'd like it to get back on topic so i'm trying to shut you up. i can't explain how your points are weak because you have none

Hahaha "nobody cares". If you don't care then why reply? Also Lachz0r, my point is that Starpluck and gnome both made attacks on those who choose to abstain from drugs by saying they have never experienced happiness and that they are "squares".

[QUOTE=King Tiger;38942034]Hahaha "nobody cares". If you don't care then why reply? Also Lachz0r, my point is that Starpluck and gnome both made attacks on those who choose to abstain from drugs by saying they have never experienced happiness and that they are "squares".[/QUOTE] Because you're derailing the thread with shitty arguments about semantics and exact wording, people would actually like the thread to get back on topic.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;38942034]Hahaha "nobody cares". If you don't care then why reply? Also Lachz0r, my point is that Starpluck and gnome both made attacks on those who choose to abstain from drugs by saying they have never experienced happiness and that they are "squares".[/QUOTE] Are you seriously still going on about this? I'd wager both my testes on the fact that the squares comment was in jest.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;38942050]Because you're derailing the thread with shitty arguments about semantics and exact wording, people would actually like the thread to get back on topic.[/QUOTE] I'm derailing the thread? Hahaha. Look at all of your own posts for the first three pages. Now tell me about derailing a thread. You're just bringing this up now in an attempt to scare me. [QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;38942061]Are you seriously still going on about this? I'd wager both my testes on the fact that the squares comment was in jest.[/QUOTE] I'm only mentioning it because HumanAbyss brought it up as an example.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;38942106]I'm derailing the thread? Hahaha. Look at all of your own posts for the first three pages. Now tell me about derailing a thread. You're just bringing this up now in an attempt to scare me. I'm only mentioning it because HumanAbyss brought it up as an example.[/QUOTE] No dude you have totally derailed this thread from its original purpose and it's now became a discussion about anal semantics.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;38942119]No dude you have totally derailed this thread from its original purpose and it's now became a discussion about anal semantics.[/QUOTE] I was only following the lead of a moderator. Who better to use as a role model than a moderator duly appointed by garry himself?

[QUOTE=King Tiger;38942189]I was only following the lead of a moderator. Who better to use as a role model than a moderator duly appointed by garry himself?[/QUOTE] No, you're just someone who can't take responsibility for their own shitposts. If you want to follow my lead, read: stop posting.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;38942189]I was only following the lead of a moderator. Who better to use as a role model than a moderator duly appointed by garry himself?[/QUOTE] You're really pushing your limits bro, I'd throttle the fuck back. OT: I think we're all losing focus on the main topic; the fact that it has been found that alcohol does more damage to adolescent brains than marijuana. I can understand why someone may choose to abstain from both; after all there are risk factors involved when making the decision to partake in alcohol/tobacco/marijuana/etc; so if you choose to not take those risks that's your prerogative. A big problem with Facepunch, at least the majority that are anti-marijuana is that the general position on the issue flip flops based on the outcome of research. Just a few weeks ago a study in the news showed that underage users of marijuana had a lower IQ than those who don't recreationally smoke. Then less than a week ago a study came out essentially stating that IQ tests are a poor way to judge and rate intelligence. Still the general consensus on marijuana hasn't changed. Even now with this study it seems that everyone is lacking any ability to use logic and reasoning to correlate simple facts; that is, marijuana isn't as bad health wise as people would like to think. I agree, it's not a miracle drug, and yes, inhaling any sort of burnt matter is not healthy, but that is just grasping at straws. I think marijuana needs to be looked at more closely and given a chance to be a choice that people can make. This bantering back and fourth about how you don't need it to have fun is absolutely ridiculous; it's obvious that you can have fun without it, but for some it's a way to enhance an experience. Focus on the word enhance, it doesn't mean that it is a necessity to enjoy things.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;38942576]marijuana isn't as bad health wise as people would like to think.[/QUOTE] And this is primarily because of governments' childish stubbornness and refusal to perhaps re-examine marijuana usage and and its valid medicinal uses. The U.S., federally speaking, refuses to recognize that marijuana has any medicinal value at all - to put this in perspective, the federal government believes that PCP has more of a medicinal value than marijuana despite numerous studies that exhibit marijuana's high-effectiveness in medical applications. That displays a deep-seated, irrational hatred that I can't even imagine the motivation for.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;38942652]And this is primarily because of governments' childish stubbornness and refusal to perhaps re-examine marijuana usage and and its valid medicinal uses. The U.S., federally speaking, refuses to recognize that marijuana has any medicinal value at all - to put this in perspective, the federal government believes that PCP has more of a medicinal value than marijuana despite numerous studies that exhibit marijuana's high-effectiveness in medical applications. That displays a deep-seated, irrational hatred that I can't even imagine the motivation for.[/QUOTE] In terms of governments not actually making an informed decision on cannabis I'd have to say the UK is far worse than the US government, at least in the US the government seems to be turning a blind eye as of late to all the legalisations and just letting shit progress but in the UK the conservatives are fucking adamant that it will never be changed and that the war on drugs is working, it's absolutely fucking ludicrous.

[QUOTE=proch;38923997]If you need Alcohol or drugs to have fun at all in your youth there's something seriously wrong with you. Also I think I worded it a bit wrong. I mean, that if you can't have fun what so ever in your youth, with the exception of after consuming alcohol or drugs, there's something wrong with you.[/QUOTE] At all? No, but you can't say that alcohol and drugs aren't fun at all. I've lived completely drug/alcohol free all the way up until my time in college, doing a ton of normal, fun things like playing videogames and going camping, etc... But that doesn't mean you turn into some sort of fiend the second that you admit that smoking a bowl and watching Harold and Kumar is fun to do every once in a while too.

It's illegal, so I don't do drugs. STRAIGHT EDGE YO Or the fact that I don't like drinking alcohol and don't like the smell of weed.

Vaporising doesn't really make a smell :wink: just in case you ever find yourself curious

[QUOTE=Sr.;38947007]It's illegal, so I don't do drugs. STRAIGHT EDGE YO Or the fact that I don't like drinking alcohol and don't like the smell of weed.[/QUOTE] edibles

I don't mind a person smoking weed or drinking alcohol, I put them p much under the same catergory. The issue in both starts when you use the drugs too much. In moderation it's fine. Every now and then doesn't hurt the body, but when you start doing it every day and your life circles around it, that's when you're in knee deep.

[QUOTE=MILKE;38947459]I don't mind a person smoking weed or drinking alcohol, I put them p much under the same catergory. The issue in both starts when you use the drugs too much. In moderation it's fine. Every now and then doesn't hurt the body, but when you start doing it every day and your life circles around it, that's when you're in knee deep.[/QUOTE] The way i see drugs are as the spice of life. You can add a little to spice up a dish (make an activity more fun), but put to much and you ruin the batch (your life).

[QUOTE=Starpluck;38942652]And this is primarily because of governments' childish stubbornness and refusal to perhaps re-examine marijuana usage and and its valid medicinal uses. The U.S., federally speaking, refuses to recognize that marijuana has any medicinal value at all - to put this in perspective, the federal government believes that PCP has more of a medicinal value than marijuana despite numerous studies that exhibit marijuana's high-effectiveness in medical applications. That displays a deep-seated, irrational hatred that I can't even imagine the motivation for.[/QUOTE] not just marijuana though, all illegal drugs really. so many of them have so many applications that the governments simply refuse to acknowledge

[QUOTE=Vasili;38922366]Some of us don't need to escape from reality.[/QUOTE] Have you ever tried being drunk? You're not "escaping from reality". You just relax, lose some inhibitions and think you're better looking than you really are.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;38942034]Hahaha "nobody cares". If you don't care then why reply? Also Lachz0r, my point is that Starpluck and gnome both made attacks on those who choose to abstain from drugs by saying they have never experienced happiness and that they are "squares".[/QUOTE] Why do you even consider 'square' derogatory? If you think about what it represents, to me it just means 'sticks to well defined beliefs held for a long period' as opposed to being a 'circle', more flexible, and being open to more stuff - you could describe me as more 'well rounded' than someone who had never touched drugs or alcohol.

[QUOTE=X-Neon;38927311]That is incorrect.[/QUOTE] 'Wikipedia posted' yea wikipedia

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38941143]Holy christ man gnome's quote there was against someone who said a very anti drug sentiment. Do you always PUI or do you just not read well[/QUOTE] Lol wtf I didn't even know I was involved in this thread. And to clarify, yeah, anybody who wears "not doing drugs" as a badge of honor and waves it around in other people's faces (specifically the faces of those who have years of experience under their belt doing drugs responsibly) is an obnoxious bigot and deserves to be told so.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;38922518]Everyone rating this agree has never seen a day of sunshine in their life. [editline]21st December 2012[/editline] The majority of people do not drink or smoke weed with the sole purpose of escaping reality, some just like to have fun and party. Like I genuinely feel that most of the hate towards alcohol on Facepunch is not out of "choice to abstain" despite their attempts to act morally superior, but its because most don't even have access to it (no one invites them to parties) and spend their Friday nights browsing FP instead[/QUOTE] But beer tastes gross :( That's all I have, really. Also these studies are ofte contradicting each other on a common basis. I'd just like to think anything remotely being "A drug" can be bad for you in excessive amounts while you're still developing. The severity of these negative effects is yet to be seen in a definite manner, and really if you wanna smoke weed or drink for whatever reason, morally justified or to have fun, It shouldn't be up to someone else how you decide to brighten your days and get some R&R. The main concern with minors is primarily the fact that in our society and partially even in our law systems, Minors are not really considered to be developed enough to make their own choices without the possibility of compromising their safety and well being. That's really bogus, most of it.

I think that the effects of things like marijuana on the development of youth isn't that of physiological brain deformations or anything like that, but more of affecting the way they understand perception and happiness before they have a firm grip on the concept. Like, you need to learn how to think and how to behave before you start treating your brain with pure chemical happiness and distorted perception.

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;38922063]Or just abstain from both marijuana and alcohol, or any drugs for that matter. Best solution.[/QUOTE] You must lead an incredibly tedious life. The way I see it - It's a drug, it's going to effect everyone differently, if it has a negative effect on you be responsable enough to not smoke it, if you're not then you deserve all the side-effects which come with it.

[QUOTE=Vasili;38922366]Some of us don't need to escape from reality.[/QUOTE] This post hurts my brain. You make it sound like smoking weed teleports you to some far away "Marijuana Land" where you're disconnected with what's going on around you. Sorry bro, that's just not the case.

I personally don't continuously smoke weed, I've only done it about 3 times all on separate occasions. I make sure not to do it for long periods of time. [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Aetna;38957326]This post hurts my brain. You make it sound like smoking weed teleports you to some far away "Marijuana Land" where you're disconnected with what's going on around you. Sorry bro, that's just not the case.[/QUOTE] This, definitely. You don't escape anywhere. Your perception just becomes a little more vivid ('little' depending on how much you do, etc.)