City of Slavyansk under "anti-terrorist" operation. Hinds flying, bmps rolling, people shooting. - Polidicks

How long until Russia invades eastern Ukraine? They seem to be putting intense effort into destabilising Donetsk, Kharkov and Kramatorsk.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44534274]The Right Sector is there, 2 Right Sector members are already dead[/QUOTE] And what is being done in response? Were they killed/shot by the separatists/third party? Doesn't this alone show lethal force is being put to use? No protesters with a reasonable goal shows up in full military gear and just storms police stations and barricades streets.

[QUOTE=just-a-boy;44534319]And what is being done in response? Were they killed/shot by the separatists/third party? Doesn't this alone show lethal force is being put to use? No protesters with a reasonable goal shows up in full military gear and just storms police stations and barricades streets.[/QUOTE] It's not as simple as that. You can't just walk in guns blazing, it would mean thousands of civilian casualties. The Russians love their human shield tactic, look at the picture in the OP

You know it's bad when even Russia Today puts "anti-terrorist operation" in suspicious quote marks

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44534352]It's not as simple as that. You can't just walk in guns blazing, it would mean thousands of civilian casualties. The Russians love their human shield tactic, look at the picture in the OP[/QUOTE] I didn't say guns blazing. I meant within the confines of the law of the land. And if they resist, law enforcements have a reason to stop them. Just answer me this: what WILL be done? Nothing is ever simple, but that is no excuse to let the deaths of 2, potentially more in the near future, people go unpunished. Somebody killed them. Whoever killed them must be caught, BUT if their killers were separatists, they have proven themselves and their movement a danger to the people of Ukraine, Russian or not, and thus must be apprehended lest more people die. Or will they go free because they think Russia is willing to start a war over their actions, while Ukraine fails to defend it's own citizens from harm, actually enforcing the former? Remember, it's not simple for Russia either. Unless you make it easy. I'm genuinely curious as to how is Ukraine going to handle this.

There's so much going on in the Ukraine and there's so little that I know about it; Is a conflict like this always this confusing?

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsdSk_ZUY4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsdSk_ZUY4[/URL]

[QUOTE=nerdster409;44534441]There's so much going on in the Ukraine and there's so little that I know about it; Is a conflict like this always this confusing?[/QUOTE] The best way to describe war or revolution is confusing. There is no way you're going to have a clear view of everything. [editline]13th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=StairsAndShit;44534754][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsdSk_ZUY4[/URL][/QUOTE] Wow.. Even I didn't expect ANYONE to fall that low... Attacking innocent civillians? Well.. Guess Russia just got bumped even further down my list of respect...

God damn that video of people getting beat the fuck up. There is literally no reason for it.

[QUOTE=SeamanStains;44534288]How long until Russia invades eastern Ukraine? They seem to be putting intense effort into destabilising Donetsk, Kharkov and Kramatorsk.[/QUOTE] lol those unknown green men are russians

Sorry if late: [URL="http://www.ustream.tv/channel/17206999"]http://www.ustream.tv/channel/17206999[/URL] live

rip

[QUOTE=StairsAndShit;44534754][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsdSk_ZUY4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsdSk_ZUY4[/URL][/QUOTE] And russians wonder why everyone hates them.

[QUOTE=StairsAndShit;44534754][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsdSk_ZUY4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsdSk_ZUY4[/URL][/QUOTE] It's from Kiiv propangandist channel, so it must be true. And of course it is not made to make Russia an agressor. Seriously, you just blindly believe it, not even thinking that this might be a fake.

NATO reckons there are indeed Russian soldiers on the ground Crimea-style [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27011605[/url] [quote]Nato chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen's statement released on Sunday notes that "the reappearance of men with specialised Russian weapons and identical uniforms without insignia, as previously worn by Russian troops during Russia's illegal and illegitimate seizure of Crimea, is a grave development". A Nato source told the BBC the organisation believed that "Russian forces have been involved in the seizure of some of the buildings".[/quote]

[QUOTE=DrAkcel;44535234]It's from Kiiv propangandist channel, so it must be true. And of course it is not made to make Russia an agressor. Seriously, you just blindly believe it, not even thinking that this might be a fake. [/QUOTE] The facts are right there. People being beaten up by other people. The title of the video has a propaganda vibe to it, but what happened in the video did happen, you can't deny that

[QUOTE=StairsAndShit;44534985]Sorry if late: [URL="http://www.ustream.tv/channel/17206999"]http://www.ustream.tv/channel/17206999[/URL] live[/QUOTE] shit went bad for a moment there

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44535347]The facts are right there. People being beaten up by other people. The title of the video has a propaganda vibe to it, but what happened in the video did happen, you can't deny that[/QUOTE] It happened. But blaming Russia is just as stupid, as blaming China or Mexico. I am more worried, that these revolts are becoming more bloody with each day. And if this is true, that local police forces are refuse to execute orders from Kiev - it coming to civil war really fast.

[QUOTE=DrAkcel;44535996]It happened. But blaming Russia is just as stupid, as blaming China or Mexico. I am more worried, that these revolts are becoming more bloody with each day. And if this is true, that local police forces are refuse to execute orders from Kiev - it coming to civil war really fast.[/QUOTE] Suck Putin's dick some more pls

[QUOTE=DrAkcel;44535234]It's from Kiiv propangandist channel, so it must be true. And of course it is not made to make Russia an agressor. Seriously, you just blindly believe it, not even thinking that this might be a fake.[/QUOTE] Who the fuck would go through the effort to make such a video? And why? You sound the like Iraqi general that said the US forces in Iraq were an "illusuion".

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;44536261]Are you for real? Russia is INVADING Ukraine, China or Mexico is not???????????[/QUOTE] I am not sure what to believe in anymore. Claims of USA and NATO and Ukraine are as stupid, as our government ones. But I still haven't seen any unbeatable proofs. Those videos above are lacking in detail to make any definite conclusions. And without proof, these claims are stupid like "maidan was paid by US government" ones. [QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;44536319]Who the fuck would go through the effort to make such a video? And why? You sound the like Iraqi general that said the US forces in Iraq were an "illusuion".[/QUOTE] Sorry, I really got my wording wrong. I have no doubt this situation was real, I just don't think it was "innocent Ukraine citizen was brutaly beaten by bad Russians" as title implies. [editline]13th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Swineflu;44536314]Suck Putin's dick some more pls[/QUOTE] So mature. FYI: I dont like him too. He made a lot of things, that he should answer for.

[QUOTE=DrAkcel;44536356]I am not sure what to believe in anymore. Claims of USA and NATO and Ukraine are as stupid, as our government ones. But I still haven't seen any unbeatable proofs. Those videos above are lacking in detail to make any definite conclusions. And without proof, these claims are stupid like "maidan was paid by US government" ones. Sorry, I really got my wording wrong. I have no doubt this situation was real, I just don't think it was "innocent Ukraine citizen was brutaly beaten by bad Russians" as title implies. [editline]13th April 2014[/editline] So mature. FYI: I dont like him too. He made a lot of things, that he should answer for.[/QUOTE] what happened there was, that some people were protesting against the separatists and waving ukrainian flags and then the other side of the protests, the ones waving russian flags broke through the police and started fighting with the ukrainian side

This is getting ridiculous. It's like a powder keg waiting to explode horribly.

[QUOTE=Turing;44537095]what happened there was, that some people were protesting against the separatists and waving ukrainian flags and then the other side of the protests, the ones waving russian flags broke through the police and started fighting with the ukrainian side[/QUOTE] Thank you sir. Well, now I am ashamed for my statements above :C For some of them, at least. This is ridiculous - slavic nations should be united, not battling with each other, jeez...