Sixty arrests made in London's real-life idiot cull - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Gibo990;32107605]For those who don't know of their stupidity, take a look at the video and prepare to be amazed. [video=youtube;PL1jDcAHkc8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8[/video][/QUOTE] I lost brain cells watching that.

[QUOTE=lavacano;32104851]I'd look up chav on Urban Dictionary if I wasn't afraid of the 600 sex definitions I'd get for it :ohdear:[/QUOTE] "A dangerous cocktail of football hooligans, far-right activists and pub racists...a bigger threat than the BNP...providing a new white nationalist identity through which they can understand an increasingly complex and alienating world. In a similar way to how football hooligans once coalesced around support for Ulster loyalism and hatred of the IRA, the followers of the EDL genuinely believe they are "defending" their Britain against the threat of Islam. What makes the EDL much more dangerous is how it reflects a wider political and cultural war." - Jon Cruddas

[QUOTE=markg06;32108619]Tell that to the people that had their flats broken into and their stuff stolen, tell that to the 97 year old man that had his hairdressers broken into oh and make sure you tell that to the owner of the furniture store that got torched in Croydon I bet they'd love to hear a quote from someone who's been dead for over 200 years.[/QUOTE] Not to mention that Franklin was someone who, along with others, wanted to split up from the British empire. (to be honest, can't blame any of the founding fathers, I want out, right now. :v:) I'd say that there may be a few conflicting views...

EDL did a protest in my town once because apparently some muslim put a white girl in a mincer and sold it in a kebab shop [editline]4th September 2011[/editline] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220815/Police-disciplined-blunders-murder-case-girl-turned-kebabs.html[/url] brutal

[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;32108093]At least they want to stop Sharia law. :suicide:[/QUOTE] No, they probably just want to get rid of muslims.

They forget most english muslims are actually born here The sweet, sweet irony is they parade around St. Georges cross (English flag). What they don't know is, St. George was Palestinian hehehehehe

[QUOTE=Falchion;32108821]No, they probably just want to get rid of muslims.[/QUOTE] Yeah I don't think they know what Sharia law is.

[QUOTE=Charybdis;32108942]They forget most english muslims are actually born here The sweet, sweet irony is they parade around St. Georges cross (English flag). What they don't know is, St. George was Palestinian hehehehehe[/QUOTE] Turk :eng101:

Ashamed to be British.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32109061]Turk :eng101:[/QUOTE] I think it's disputed whether he was Palestinian, Turkish or Syrian, but still

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32108582]To quote Ben Franklin, "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither"[/QUOTE] Everybody sacrifices some liberty for security, to sacrifice absolutely no liberty would be anarchy.

[QUOTE=lavacano;32104851]I'd look up chav on Urban Dictionary if I wasn't afraid of the 600 sex definitions I'd get for it :ohdear:[/QUOTE]The Wikipedia article is a good laugh [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav[/url] [i]Popular inter Chav slang words and phraseology include: [b]"Loads a money",[/b] "Am I bovvered", "Warru on about", "Whats your problem?", "Wanna make sommin' of it?", "Bling, Bling", "Sweet boh", and "bruv" [/i] [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Chav.svg/527px-Chav.svg.png[/t] [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/ChavSitting.jpg/420px-ChavSitting.jpg[/t] [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Chav_car.jpeg/800px-Chav_car.jpeg[/t]

Hahaha I can't believe it says Loadsamoney

[QUOTE=Scotchair;32105857]"protecting against islamic extremism in the UK".... I'm sorry, but what islamic extremism? There was a single notable terrorist attack in the UK in the past decade (I think?), I'm willing to bet these guys have killed more people collectively than terrorists in the UK.[/QUOTE] 2 "actual" attacks. There's been quite a few failed and foiled attacks in the last decade (Car bombs in London and the liquid bomb plot). The EDL do seem to be fighting nothing it seems, apart from themselves at some protests which is funny.

[quote]EDL founder Stephen Lennon, 28, breached his bail conditions by attending the protest[/quote] He sounds a lovely fellow.[QUOTE=BCell;32105598]I am pretty sure the British prison over there are overcrowded right? Those who are arrested can't possibly be send to prison[/QUOTE]So are American prisons but that's not stopping them jailing people over a kilo of pot.

[QUOTE=Scotchair;32105857]"protecting against islamic extremism in the UK".... I'm sorry, but what islamic extremism? There was a single notable terrorist attack in the UK in the past decade (I think?), I'm willing to bet these guys have killed more people collectively than terrorists in the UK.[/QUOTE] [img]http://pics.myspew.com/var/albums/geek/I%20kicked%20burning%20terrorist%20so%20hard%20in%20balls%20that%20I%20tore%20a%20tendon%20in%20my%20foot.jpg?m=1301362910[/img]

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32110302][img]http://pics.myspew.com/var/albums/geek/I%20kicked%20burning%20terrorist%20so%20hard%20in%20balls%20that%20I%20tore%20a%20tendon%20in%20my%20foot.jpg?m=1301362910[/img][/QUOTE] Is that even possible without a pre-existing condition?

[QUOTE=markg06;32108619]Tell that to the people that had their flats broken into and their stuff stolen, tell that to the 97 year old man that had his hairdressers broken into oh and make sure you tell that to the owner of the furniture store that got torched in Croydon I bet they'd love to hear a quote from someone who's been dead for over 200 years.[/QUOTE] Perhaps if people were allowed to own weapons legally in England rioters would think twice about stealing from a random store. They're nicknamed, "The great equalizer" for a reason. I'm sorry, I don't mean to start another gun debate, but the lack of freedom in England is the problem, not the solution.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32110490]Perhaps if people were allowed to own weapons legally in England rioters would think twice about stealing from a random store. They're nicknamed, "The great equalizer" for a reason. I'm sorry, I don't mean to start another gun debate, but the lack of freedom in England is the problem, not the solution.[/QUOTE] And here comes another gun nut touting his "Guns are freedom" nonsense.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32110490]Perhaps if people were allowed to own weapons legally in England rioters would think twice about stealing from a random store. They're nicknamed, "The great equalizer" for a reason. I'm sorry, I don't mean to start another gun debate, but the lack of freedom in England is the problem, not the solution.[/QUOTE] Are you insinuating that firearms will solve all issues of civil rights, liberties, civil indignation, and socioeconomic stagnation? Someone gets a bit too hard for their guns.

[QUOTE=DanRatherman;32110983]Are you insinuating that firearms will solve all issues of civil rights, liberties, civil indignation, and socioeconomic stagnation? Someone gets a bit too hard for their guns.[/QUOTE] When did I ever say that? All I'm saying is that allowing law-abiding citizens to have access to firearms would make them safer. Currently, as seen in the London riots, the rioters didn't hesitate to loot and pillage stores because they knew that they would be largely unopposed. Most of them were both stronger and younger than the shopowners, which allowed them to take what they wanted. The law-abiding citizens were defenceless without the police, as they had no way of protecting themselves or their assets.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32110490]Perhaps if people were allowed to own weapons legally in England rioters would think twice about stealing from a random store. They're nicknamed, "The great equalizer" for a reason. I'm sorry, I don't mean to start another gun debate, but the lack of freedom in England is the problem, not the solution.[/QUOTE] Well at least I can be sure this thread will now go on for at least 10 pages of solid single-issue debating! Too bad the single issue is completely unrelated to the thread's original topic! [img]http://imgkk.com/i/af05.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32111123]All I'm saying is that allowing law-abiding citizens to have access to firearms[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.met.police.uk/firearms_licensing/"]They do[/URL] You just need to justify your use of force when you pull that trigger Hell, we've got two shotguns in the house.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32111123]When did I ever say that? All I'm saying is that allowing law-abiding citizens to have access to firearms would make them safer. Currently, as seen in the London riots, the rioters didn't hesitate to loot and pillage stores because they knew that they would be largely unopposed. Most of them were both stronger and younger than the shopowners, which allowed them to take what they wanted. The law-abiding citizens were defenceless without the police, as they had no way of protecting themselves or their assets.[/QUOTE] While I don't disagree with your point entirely, it has to be raised that if guns were easily accessible for citizens, than the rioters would have less of a problem acquiring them as well. (Not to the law keeps guns away from criminals, we all know that's bullshit.) It's all useless conjecture to think whether or not guns would have changed this in any way. Just look at the Motor City Race Riots and compare the figures to the London riots.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32111123]When did I ever say that? All I'm saying is that allowing law-abiding citizens to have access to firearms would make them safer. Currently, as seen in the London riots, the rioters didn't hesitate to loot and pillage stores because they knew that they would be largely unopposed. Most of them were both stronger and younger than the shopowners, which allowed them to take what they wanted. The law-abiding citizens were defenceless without the police, as they had no way of protecting themselves or their assets.[/QUOTE] Guns are easily accessible for sporting or work related ownership if you want them here, people don't seem to get that point. If you take a police background check, have 2 people go through interviews and have a legitimate reason (e.g. part of a target range, or a valid work related reason. Self-defence is not a valid reason) then there is no reason that you will not be granted a shotgun certificate - the police actually have to decide why not to give you the shotgun license, as opposed to why you should have it. The main reason that there is very little ownership is because the general populace has a negative opinion on firearms, like many European countries. You are also able to get a firearms permit, but that's harder, and rifles and pistols are much more heavily restricted. So law abiding citizens [b]do[/b] have access to firearms, they just cannot use self-defence as a reason to get one. If you don't know our firearms laws, don't bother trying to criticise them.

[QUOTE=markg06;32105906]I'd rather be undemocratic than have to get police from all over the country to stop some retards from torching peoples stores.[/QUOTE] When people are willing to give up their liberties and freedoms for security, it's the first step in enabling abuse of power.

[QUOTE=Terminutter;32111747]Guns are easily accessible for sporting or work related ownership if you want them here, people don't seem to get that point. If you take a police background check, have 2 people go through interviews and have a legitimate reason (e.g. part of a target range, or a valid work related reason. Self-defence is not a valid reason) then there is no reason that you will not be granted a shotgun certificate - the police actually have to decide why not to give you the shotgun license, as opposed to why you should have it. The main reason that there is very little ownership is because the general populace has a negative opinion on firearms, like many European countries. You are also able to get a firearms permit, but that's harder, and rifles and pistols are much more heavily restricted. So law abiding citizens [b]do[/b] have access to firearms, they just cannot use self-defence as a reason to get one. If you don't know our firearms laws, don't bother trying to criticise them.[/QUOTE] Hm, fair enough. I guess I should have held my tongue.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32110490]Perhaps if people were allowed to own weapons legally in England rioters would think twice about stealing from a random store. They're nicknamed, "The great equalizer" for a reason. I'm sorry, I don't mean to start another gun debate, but the lack of freedom in England is the problem, not the solution.[/QUOTE] Because shooting people who are stealing is a great idea and not an over the top use of lethal force at all. Guns should (IMO) only ever be used in self defense when there is a risk to someone's life, not someone's property.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32110490]Perhaps if people were allowed to own weapons legally in England rioters would think twice about stealing from a random store. They're nicknamed, "The great equalizer" for a reason. I'm sorry, I don't mean to start another gun debate, but the lack of freedom in England is the problem, not the solution.[/QUOTE] the rioters would have guns too, dude :ironicat:

[QUOTE=smurfy;32108261]I prefer the EDL anthem [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU[/media][/QUOTE] We are fucked. :v: