Sixty arrests made in London's real-life idiot cull - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Terminutter;32111747]they just cannot use self-defence as a reason to get one.[/QUOTE] Why not? (just wondering, there's probably a good reason)

[QUOTE=lavacano;32122354]Why not? (just wondering, there's probably a good reason)[/QUOTE] Iv wondered this as well, I think it is just a culture and tradition thing. People over here would not like it if everyone and their dog started to have guns for self-defence but most people have no problem with gun ownership for "proper" purposes.

[QUOTE=lavacano;32122354]Why not? (just wondering, there's probably a good reason)[/QUOTE] Culture and I don't really know any other reason for it. I know that the public's general mindset is that we don't [i]want[/i] people to be armed in public for self defence, as despite all of the stories, it's not statistically necessary to carry one for defense. Also, imagine the racist EDL armed with guns and the like.

[QUOTE=Gibo990;32107605]For those who don't know of their stupidity, take a look at the video and prepare to be amazed. [video=youtube;PL1jDcAHkc8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8[/video][/QUOTE] Did he seriously say 'muslamic ray guns'?

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32122561]Did he seriously say 'muslamic ray guns'?[/QUOTE] A lot of people agree that its "muslamic rape gangs".

[QUOTE=Jsm;32122594]A lot of people agree that its "muslamic rape gangs".[/QUOTE] It does sort of sound like it. Oh well, his fault for sounding like a tool I guess.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32122648]It does sort of sound like it. Oh well, his fault for sounding like a tool I guess.[/QUOTE] Tends to happen when you are about as intelligent as a sack of hammers.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32110490]Perhaps if people were allowed to own weapons legally in England rioters would think twice about stealing from a random store. They're nicknamed, "The great equalizer" for a reason.[/QUOTE] most people in england don't really want guns, it's very different from america where hunting and self-defense is a big cultural thing. especially in london which is very metropolitan it's looked down upon.

uh you can use guns in Britain guns are just not very popular here i should know i work up a rifle range and the only people who shoot are posh tossers in their masonic lodges and club houses and yes yes tip top bloody hell good show old sport good gosh you scored a six Phillip.

[QUOTE=Terminutter;32122499]Culture and I don't really know any other reason for it. I know that the public's general mindset is that we don't [i]want[/i] people to be armed in public for self defence, as despite all of the stories, it's not statistically necessary to carry one for defense. Also, imagine the racist EDL armed with guns and the like.[/QUOTE]While I do agree with Boba Fett, I know people from the UK are inherently different from those of us from the USA. Those EDL guys strike me as the type to start shooting in a riot. On the other hand, very few legal owners of guns over here actually do anything retarded with them, much less kill people. Cultural differences are fuckin' crazy, man. :( I also agree with Zeke, Sigma and others when the issue of liberty is brought up. Banning protests... that's kind of scary, even if it's a certain kind of protest in specific areas. It's something that doesn't sit well with me at all.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;32123669] I also agree with Zeke, Sigma and others when the issue of liberty is brought up. Banning protests... that's kind of scary, even if it's a certain kind of protest in specific areas. It's something that doesn't sit well with me at all.[/QUOTE] You can protest all you want, just no marches. You can gather all your mates and chant about how the fascist government cunts are oppressing the poor antisocial minority that is you and nobody will care.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32123056]most people in england don't really want guns, it's very different from america where hunting and self-defense is a big cultural thing.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't it then make sense to allow "self-defense" as a reason to get a gun then? When you consider nobody's going to suddenly want a gun there if you do (unless you make a big deal about it, then all of a sudden "OH GOD EVERYONE'S GOT GUNS I NEED ONE TO PROTECT MYSELF AAAH"). All it would really do is shut us crazy gun-lusting drug-hopped Yankees up about your gun laws. Of course I don't know how the law passing system works there, for all I know you're required to announce laws you pass on national television there (which would cause the "everyone has guns now" reaction I mentioned above).

[QUOTE=lavacano;32123933]Wouldn't it then make sense to allow "self-defense" as a reason to get a gun then? When you consider nobody's going to suddenly want a gun there if you do (unless you make a big deal about it, then all of a sudden "OH GOD EVERYONE'S GOT GUNS I NEED ONE TO PROTECT MYSELF AAAH"). All it would really do is shut us crazy gun-lusting drug-hopped Yankees up about your gun laws. Of course I don't know how the law passing system works there, for all I know you're required to announce laws you pass on national television there (which would cause the "everyone has guns now" reaction I mentioned above).[/QUOTE] Do you even understand the issue at hand? If people start getting guns to defend themselves, people who want to commit crimes will also start getting guns to defend themselves from the victims, it's as simple as that. It's nothing to do with how laws are passed, and a law like that would never pass in the UK because most of us aren't batshit insane.

[QUOTE=lavacano;32123933]Wouldn't it then make sense to allow "self-defense" as a reason to get a gun then? When you consider nobody's going to suddenly want a gun there if you do (unless you make a big deal about it, then all of a sudden "OH GOD EVERYONE'S GOT GUNS I NEED ONE TO PROTECT MYSELF AAAH"). All it would really do is shut us crazy gun-lusting drug-hopped Yankees up about your gun laws. Of course I don't know how the law passing system works there, for all I know you're required to announce laws you pass on national television there (which would cause the "everyone has guns now" reaction I mentioned above).[/QUOTE]Guns are part of American culture, they're not part of British culture, we see them as things designed specifically to kill people and because of that would rather not have them around, so the only people who want guns over here usually want them because they think shooting things is fun, which isn't a valid reason, or are planning on threatening or harming people with them.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32104884]That's bullshit[/QUOTE] It's just until things calm down, they don't want another spark. [editline]5th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Nerts;32124622]Guns are part of American culture, they're not part of British culture, we see them as things designed specifically to kill people and because of that would rather not have them around, so the only people who want guns over here usually want them because they think shooting things is fun, which isn't a valid reason, or are planning on threatening or harming people with them.[/QUOTE] They are a part of our society it's just that you have to have money to enjoy it.

[QUOTE=sltungle;32106841]Slightly off topic, but if there's ever a real risk of Sharia law being brought into a western country then I think everybody should fucking protest it. Obviously it should remain peaceful until all else fails, though.[/QUOTE] Oops well I guess we're too late: [url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4749183.ece[/url] Oh well, back to sitting around doing nothing about it... As much as I hate the EDL for their utter stupidity, they have a point. True, they are unable to string words together to make a sentence BUT protesting against sharia law is correct. Perhaps if the EDL had a collective IQ greater than 10 they would be able to make a decent protest, but until someone steps up the EDL is as useless as a chocolate fireguard

[QUOTE=markg06;32108619]Tell that to the people that had their flats broken into and their stuff stolen, tell that to the 97 year old man that had his hairdressers broken into oh and make sure you tell that to the owner of the furniture store that got torched in Croydon I bet they'd love to hear a quote from someone who's been dead for over 200 years.[/QUOTE] libertarianism is slang for anarchy

[QUOTE=Nerts;32124622]Guns are part of American culture, they're not part of British culture, we see them as things designed specifically to kill people and because of that would rather not have them around, so the only people who want guns over here usually want them because they think shooting things is fun, which isn't a valid reason, or are planning on threatening or harming people with them.[/QUOTE] I'm afraid that there is a slight inaccuracy there. You are able to join a shooting club if you see shooting clay pidgeons or targets as fun, and that is a legal reason for a license to be obtained - the membership of a shooting club. If you're deemed responsible enough, then you'll get a license. Other than that, that's largely right. The only major place where a gun is useful to a civilian as a tool is for farmers, who frequently own shotguns and licenses to deal with pests such as rabbits (a valid reason) and to shoot unwatched dogs who are worrying the sheep (and, oddly enough, they are only legally backed up if the dog is worrying sheep)

[QUOTE=Terminutter;32128035]I'm afraid that there is a slight inaccuracy there. You are able to join a shooting club if you see shooting clay pidgeons or targets as fun, and that is a legal reason for a license to be obtained - the membership of a shooting club. If you're deemed responsible enough, then you'll get a license. Other than that, that's largely right. The only major place where a gun is useful to a civilian as a tool is for farmers, who frequently own shotguns and licenses to deal with pests such as rabbits (a valid reason) and to shoot unwatched dogs who are worrying the sheep (and, oddly enough, they are only legally backed up if the dog is worrying sheep)[/QUOTE] Yup. My uncle has a firearms license because he's a target shooter, and his gun room is full of steel lockboxes riveted to the floors and walls (along with a tool bench for when he makes his own ammo), and I also knew a guy who had a couple of game licenses (i.e hunting) and had a shotgun license. If you have a reason to own a gun and you're responsible, then that's fine, but the idea of someone getting a gun just to blow away intruders is one that doesn't sit easily with me.

So I was going to post asking what the hell the London riots are about, since they've been going on for a while now and I've yet to hear a reason for them. Reading the OP, it sounds like these riots are at least partially over Islamophobia/anti-Islamophobia? Really?

[QUOTE=Miskav;32110396]Is that even possible without a pre-existing condition?[/QUOTE] Ah the infamous, failed, glasgow aiport attack. [editline]5th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Gmod4ever;32128843]So I was going to post asking what the hell the London riots are about, since they've been going on for a while now and I've yet to hear a reason for them. Reading the OP, it sounds like these riots are at least partially over Islamophobia/anti-Islamophobia? Really?[/QUOTE] No. The riots almost entirely based over social issues (Well, at the start. Then it became an excuse to fuck da police and loot). The EDL were just out protesting their usual racist shit and got themselves arrested for it in a seperate incident.

[QUOTE=Nerts;32124622]Guns are part of American culture, they're not part of British culture, we see them as things designed specifically to kill people and because of that would rather not have them around, so the only people who want guns over here usually want them because they think shooting things is fun, which isn't a valid reason, or are planning on threatening or harming people with them.[/QUOTE] Fun is entirely a valid reason. That's why sports cars exist. The right to own guns for self-defence was enshrined in the 1689 Bill of Rights, but Hungerford and Dunblane caused mass hysteria, leading to the Government to create stricter legislation on firearms. Not that it did much.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32129208]Fun is entirely a valid reason. That's why sports cars exist. The right to own guns for self-defence was enshrined in the 1689 Bill of Rights, but Hungerford and Dunblane caused mass hysteria, leading to the Government to create stricter legislation on firearms. Not that it did much.[/QUOTE] Well, as I pointed out on the thread about 16 000 guns going missing in factories, it actually did pretty well. In Scotland, in 2010, there were 859 gun related offences, total. 451 were related to air guns. And that covers everything from illegal possession to waving them around in a threatening manner. The figures for MA, USA, are quite a bit higher, and that state has a population that is only somewhat higher than Scotland. So, actually, I'd say our tighter gun control has done quite a bit.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32129208]Fun is entirely a valid reason. That's why sports cars exist. The right to own guns for self-defence was enshrined in the 1689 Bill of Rights, but Hungerford and Dunblane caused mass hysteria, leading to the Government to create stricter legislation on firearms. Not that it did much.[/QUOTE] [quote=1689 Bill of Rights]That the Subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law.[/quote] All it says Protestants can have guns unless they can't

[QUOTE=Craigewan;32129282]Well, as I pointed out on the thread about 16 000 guns going missing in factories, it actually did pretty well. In Scotland, in 2010, there were 859 gun related offences, total. 451 were related to air guns. And that covers everything from illegal possession to waving them around in a threatening manner. The figures for MA, USA, are quite a bit higher, and that state has a population that is only somewhat higher than Scotland. So, actually, I'd say our tighter gun control has done quite a bit.[/QUOTE] Our gun crime and murder rate has always been low. We're just not rude enough to kill people :v:

[QUOTE=Midas22;32109095]Ashamed to be British.[/QUOTE] Never. EDL are something else though :/

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32129543]Our gun crime and murder rate has always been low. We're just not rude enough to kill people :v:[/QUOTE] It would be terribly uncouth. We instead insist that both parties strip to the waist and have a polite boxing match.