Nerve Gas Attack in Damascus - Up to 1300 Dead - As Usual Everyone is Pointing Fingers at Eachother - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ironman17;41918469]Mustard gas was terrible, yeah, but at least it didn't fuck up your nervous system. Still, I dunno which is worse; the brain damage or the lung damage. Probably the brain damage. God help us if some madman ever makes some sort of mustard nerve gas.[/QUOTE] Or even [sp] horseradish gas [/sp]

The horror... Also not cool whale, not cool; over a thousand people died horribly today, I don't think this is the time for fart jokes.

This is so fucked up. I hope they find the pieces of shit responsible for this. What in the hell did these innocent people ever do to justify this? Nothing, that's what.

[QUOTE=Strike 86;41918400]It's possibly just got bad enough that the western powers might be obliged to step in. Still, I'm not entirely sure I want them to. Would we make things better or worse?[/QUOTE] It all depends on if its not a rushed intervention. We'd have to understand the culture, the various factions and their motives, as well as the civilian population. I'm not even sure if there'd be much support for risking our own soldiers to fight in a country this time around where chemical weaponry has been used recently and to such devastating affect.

RIP those poor souls [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLsElbW9Xo[/media]

Kinda questioning why they would gas their own population. You gotta consider that the areas free reign at the moment and pretty much every neighbor has Nerve gas as well. Not taking any sides here until more info is discovered.

I refuse to believe Assad would use it, that'd be retarded. Why would you want to give the west a reason to invade you even though you're winning the fight against the rebels?

[QUOTE=xianlee;41918150]Would this be a quick way to die? seems quite a slow process going by wikipedia.. would you just suffocate if you came into contact with a large quantity?[/QUOTE] If it's sarin gas, which it probably is, that means that either way you'd suffocate since you can't contract your muscles anymore, meaning you can't breathe and your heart stops pumping. However, not being able to contract your muscles wouldn't be a very comfortable death.

[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1300770&p=41918732#post41918732[/url] These are the same thing right? Ive just sat for like 10 minutes reading each article to make sure Im not messing up

I want actual proof. 1000 people? where's the pictures. This is incredibly convenient for the day the UN shows up a giant chem attack happens? Yeah right. [editline]21st August 2013[/editline] It makes no sense.

[QUOTE=Aman;41918781]I want actual proof. 1000 people? where's the pictures. This is incredibly convenient for the day the UN shows up a giant chem attack happens? Yeah right. [editline]21st August 2013[/editline] It makes no sense.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;Bu5iI0q3nqc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu5iI0q3nqc[/video] oopes here are the pics

[QUOTE=Aman;41918781]I want actual proof. 1000 people? where's the pictures. This is incredibly convenient for the day the UN shows up a giant chem attack happens? Yeah right. [editline]21st August 2013[/editline] It makes no sense.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23777201[/url] Look at the video

[QUOTE=Falchion;41918894][video=youtube;Bu5iI0q3nqc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu5iI0q3nqc[/video] oopes here are the pics[/QUOTE] that isn't "1300 people" and it just makes no sense. I'm never a person to talk about conspiracies but this seems fishy as fuck. So Assad wants to give NATO/America/Israel a pretext for air assaults, guided missile strikes, cross-border SF incursions, No-Fly zones and other chicanery? The regime has absolutely [I]zero[/I] to gain (and a lot to lose) from this so why would they do it? Especially when they know they are on thin ice. And this attack comes on the very day the long awaited UN inspectors show up. You really think Assad is that retarded? This is just way too convenient.

[QUOTE=Aman;41918932]that isn't "1300 people" and it just makes no sense. I'm never a person to talk about conspiracies but this seems fishy as fuck. So Assad wants to give NATO/America/Israel a pretext for air assaults, guided missile strikes, cross-border SF incursions, No-Fly zones and other chicanery? The regime has absolutely [I]zero[/I] to gain (and a lot to lose) from this so why would they do it? Especially when they know they are on thin ice. And this attack comes on the very day the long awaited UN inspectors show up? You really think Assad is that retarded? This is just way too convenient.[/QUOTE] What are you trying to imply here? You really think the UN faked a massive nerve gas attack to gain pretext to attack Syria? Are you saying the rebels did it? Did They want to blame Assad? please explain

[QUOTE='[sluggo];41919008']What are you trying to imply here? You really think the UN faked a massive nerve gas attack to gain pretext to attack Syria? Are you saying the rebels did it? Did They want to blame Assad? please explain[/QUOTE] Potentially the latter. There has be constant finger pointing with unsubstantiated claims by "activists" throughout the past 2 years, just like all the previous "gas attacks" which ended up being exaggerated, misidentified, lied about, etc. Something happened here but I don't know what to think right this minute but the puzzle pieces as they are do not fit together. [quote]As others have pointed out here and even BBC's middle East correspondent Frank Gardner has just been saying, why would the regime attack with chemical weapons when the UN team are just miles from the location and could easily get there? Also, it comes at a time where the government is clearly making gains and the Latakia offensive has failed, what possible further gains does this achieve? [/quote] [quote]The UN expert and the head of the current mission to Damascus, Swedish scientist Ake Sellstrom, told news agency TT that while he had only seen TV footage, the high number of casualties reported sounded suspicious. [I]"It sounds like something that should be looked into,"[/I] he told TT by phone. [I]"It will depend on whether any UN member state goes to the secretary-general and says we should look at this event. We are in place."[/I] He outlined that the high numbers of killed and wounded being reported are[B] [I]"suspicious."[/I] [/B][/quote]

[QUOTE=Aman;41919032]Potentially the latter. There has be constant finger pointing with unsubstantiated claims by "activists" throughout the past 2 years, just like all the previous "gas attacks" which ended up being exaggerated, misidentified, lied about, etc. Something happened here but I don't know what to think right this minute but the puzzle pieces as they are do not fit together.[/QUOTE] So are you saying that the rebels faked a gas attack? What would that gain?

[QUOTE=Aman;41919032]Potentially the latter. There has be constant finger pointing with unsubstantiated claims by "activists" throughout the past 2 years, just like all the previous "gas attacks" which ended up being exaggerated, misidentified, lied about, etc. Something happened here but I don't know what to think right this minute but the puzzle pieces as they are do not fit together.[/QUOTE] I certainly wouldn't put something like this past either side morally, and your right about the rebels arguably having better reason, but I didn't know they would have the supplies or means to orchestrate a nerve gas attack. This was also during a large government offensive and came in the middle of dozens of rocket and artillery strikes against them. It Aside from motive all the evidence points towards the government. Assad hasn't shown himself to be the smartest guy in the world either.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;41919072]So are you saying that the rebels faked a gas attack? What would that gain?[/QUOTE] Doesn't even have to be faked could be real. What does Assad have to gain? Nothing. What does the opposition have to gain off of this? more than nothing that is for sure.

[QUOTE=ironman17;41918469]Mustard gas was terrible, yeah, but at least it didn't fuck up your nervous system. Still, I dunno which is worse; the brain damage or the lung damage. Probably the brain damage. God help us if some madman ever makes some sort of mustard nerve gas.[/QUOTE] Mustard Gas is comparatively worse. I've spent hours of research on Yperite for my History course and the stuff is fucking horrendous. It makes huge fissures in your lungs, throat and skin which fills them up with blood and pus which you will choke and die on. It also tears apart membrane tissues like your eyelids, your sinuses, it basically tears you apart from the inside, what a survivor account described as 'drowning in liquid fire' (there aren't many survivor accounts) gas is literally one of the worst weapons to use in warfare. To see gas still killing people (civillians!) in this day and age is disgusting. The shit should have never been invented.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];41919089']I certainly wouldn't put something like this past either side morally, and your right about the rebels arguably having better reason, but I didn't know they would have the supplies or means to orchestrate a nerve gas attack. This was also during a large government offensive and came in the middle of dozens of rocket and artillery strikes against them. It Aside from motive all the evidence points towards the government. Assad hasn't shown himself to be the smartest guy in the world either.[/QUOTE] Yeah but motive/reasoning is the damn near most important part.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;41919072]So are you saying that the rebels faked a gas attack? What would that gain?[/QUOTE] The west coming to take out the regime they're rebelling against? What the hell else

Isn't Nerve gas classed as a WMD?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41919116]Isn't Nerve gas classed as a WMD?[/QUOTE] Yup.

I don't know how to react to this, honestly. I'm heartbroken. Something needs to be done.. And fast.

[QUOTE=Aman;41919108]Yeah but motive/reasoning is the damn near most important part.[/QUOTE] Motive (or lack of perceived motive) doesn't equal guilt though. I don't think we can make a call yet, but you can't overlook logistics.

[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;41919146]I don't know how to react to this, honestly. I'm heartbroken. Something needs to be done.. And fast.[/QUOTE] That's what Iran said in the 80's, when Iraq was using up western-supplied stockpile against Iranian's and Kurds. [editline]21st August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE='[sluggo];41919153']Motive (or lack of perceived motive) doesn't equal guilt though. I don't think we can make a call yet, but you can't overlook logistics.[/QUOTE] What if it was one of the other countries who possess the technology to launch a gas attack.

[QUOTE=laserguided;41919169] What if it was one of the other countries who possess the technology to launch a gas attack.[/QUOTE] They would have even less motive. Plus we would know if missiles containing gas were launched over borders. Unless you mean another nation was supplying gas to the rebels.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];41919197']They would have even less motive. Plus we would know if missiles containing gas were launched over borders. Unless you mean another nation was supplying gas to the rebels.[/QUOTE] Anything like that is a possibility.

I thought chemical warfare was discontinued after WWII?

I'd argue that nerve or any war gas is much worse than nuclear weapons. At least you die quickly from a bomb.