Nerve Gas Attack in Damascus - Up to 1300 Dead - As Usual Everyone is Pointing Fingers at Eachother - Polidicks

I hope the UN officials who are there really take their time sifting through everything and conducting tests thoroughly. [editline]22nd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;41924077]It's also possible that this is from a splinter terrorist unit trying to derail the situation. However those wouldn't be rebels, that's more akin to neutral provocateurs trying to create an environment that favors extremism. However these were likely delivered by artillery or aerial bombing, which stacks the odds in favor of Assad's forces. The rebels have very little in the way of heavy armaments. What few armored vehicles they have are in lousy condition and they don't have the logistics to use artillery properly.[/QUOTE] Incorrect. Rebels at this point at least certain brigades of them are almost resembling actual military units. They've captured and also received a lot of arms. as an example: The first video (Liwa-Al Islam brigade) is even one of the brigades who are fighting in and around Damascus. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDTcrEQ7ORc[/media] [media][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkTuz5i26V0[/URL][/media]

[QUOTE=Aman;41924059]While true that still doesn't refute my reasoning. If I'm a dictator who is walking on egg shells I am not going to gas a couple hundred civilians for no gain whatsoever[/QUOTE] Well, yes it does. He's been bombing civilians on purpose since the beginning of the war. This is not much different. He's already killed tens of thousands of civilians, what's another 1300 on top of that? He's trying to stomp down the civilian populace and make them opt out of supporting the rebels, in order to restore the government control. Perhaps they've simply begun to exhaust their conventional armaments, or they've just decided to step up the terrorizing campaign.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41924113]Well, yes it does. He's been bombing civilians on purpose since the beginning of the war. This is not much different. He's already killed tens of thousands of civilians, what's another 1300 on top of that? He's trying to stomp down the civilian populace and make them opt out of supporting the rebels, in order to restore the government control. Perhaps they've simply begun to exhaust their conventional armaments, or they've just decided to step up the terrorizing campaign.[/QUOTE] Were just talking in circles at this point now. Yes I get that, but why use gas to achieve this when use of gas is one of the surefire things to get Assad in deep trouble.

Why open fire on peaceful protests when it is a surefire way to get you in deep trouble? He's got a might is right attitude, if he cared what the international community thought of him he would not have ran the regime the way he did, nor would he have taken the actions necessary to trigger an uprising.

Guess time will tell right now all we can do is speculate. Very curious as to what the verdict will be once inspectors examine the area and present findings.

Well thankfully there's a good enough situation now to investigate exactly what happened, and the UN team is there right now. This may wind up being a deciding factor in intervention, however that turns out.

I hope they find which party responsible and destroy them with extreme prejudice. Chemical weapons are by far one of the most horrific munitions in existence because of how much suffering they cause, and anyone or any organization that uses them are, in my eyes, barbarians, and should be treated as such. In my opinion, VX/Sarin are some of the worst ways to die. Fuck any backwards group that uses them.

[QUOTE=Lyonidis;41924211]I hope they find which party responsible and destroy them with extreme prejudice. Chemical weapons are by far one of the most horrific munitions in existence because of how much suffering they cause, and anyone or any organization that uses them are, in my eyes, barbarians, and should be treated as such. In my opinion, VX/Sarin are some of the worst ways to die. Fuck any backwards group that uses them.[/QUOTE] got a detailed list of symptoms? I wanna squirm

[quote=wikipedia]Initial symptoms following exposure to sarin are a runny nose, tightness in the chest and constriction of the pupils. Soon after, the victim has difficulty breathing and experiences nausea and drooling. As the victim continues to lose control of bodily functions, the victim vomits, defecates and urinates. This phase is followed by twitching and jerking. Ultimately, the victim becomes comatose and suffocates in a series of convulsive spasms.[/quote]

1300... Christ, that's around half of the death toll of 9/11...

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;41923910]Do those fucking people [i]really[/i] expect us to believe the rebels are going around gassing people just so they can blame it on the government and cry for international sympathy?[/QUOTE] I could believe it. Radicals do crazy shit. I could also believe that it was the tyrant. Finding more information would be a great idea before making any rash decisions.

guys GUYS it was the jews now shut up the discussion is over

[QUOTE=supersnail11;41918742]If it's sarin gas, which it probably is, that means that either way you'd suffocate since you can't contract your muscles anymore, meaning you can't breathe and your heart stops pumping. However, not being able to contract your muscles wouldn't be a very comfortable death.[/QUOTE] I thought all nerve gas basically stopped your body from breaking down some chemical that allows it to control muscle contractions, which does the opposite: you spasm and your heart basically goes through constant heart attack as you lose complete control over your muscles until your entire nervous system just shuts down

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgEgW5KfsI[/media]

I'll tell you who did it Muslims from group A not liking Muslims from group B, or B against A. Who knows, It's the same damn thing since 1100AD

[QUOTE=cathal6606;41918203]You know things have gone to shit when they have to call in the ninjas.[/QUOTE] When shit gets syrias, only one man can end the war. [img]http://www.wired.com/geekdad/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/dr_mcninja.jpg[/img] Dr. McNinja [editline]22nd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41920423]What if he knows that people will come to this conclusion and will hate the rebels? Would be pretty meta, but considering the importance of these things, I'd say I wouldn't be surprised if he thought more than one step into the reactions.[/QUOTE] Seems kind of stupid, because there are countries just waiting to get their hands dirty in Syria. Any action, anything to provoke these parties from jumping in would be suicide on Assad's part. Then again, a cornered cat is unpredictable. He's probably insane enough to actually order such an attack if push comes to shove. Last time I checked he wasn't doing too badly, though. If you want to know who's behind the attack, you have to look at who has the upperhand. They stem to lose the most, so it would be unlikely that they'd behind it.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;41924869]I'll tell you who did it Muslims from group A not liking Muslims from group B, or B against A. Who knows, It's the same damn thing since 1100AD[/QUOTE] Are you fucking serious?

[QUOTE=TheTalon;41924869]I'll tell you who did it Muslims from group A not liking Muslims from group B, or B against A. Who knows, It's the same damn thing since 1100AD[/QUOTE] Wow really.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;41919653]Or maybe he's just a crazy asshole?[/QUOTE] He must be pretty smart if he pretty much convinced every non-sunni religious group in Syria to support his cause, and is now retaking the country by force. His army adapted to the situation. It's really fucking amazing for an army that should be falling apart, people were predicting his fall 2 years ago and the tide turned in his favour.

Interesting. Russia and China block enquiry: [url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4420801,00.html[/url] interesting possibility: [quote]Isn't it strange? Supposedly the evil rebels have now gone and gassed themselves and their own families, proving that everything the Syrian/Iranian/Russian propaganda has been parroting for 2 years now is true. Here's an opportunity to show the world how evil the opposition is and how bravely our benevolent leader is defending the great people of Syria from the machinations of foreign crusader-zionist backed mercenary al-qaeda thugs. What a propaganda opportunity for Assad. And with UN inspectors just 5-10 km away. Here's your chance Bashar. Take them, put them in buses along with 200 journalists, drive them to the area and when the evil rebels refuse them entrance to cover up their crimes, demonstrate it to the whole world. Here's proof that I was right all along. But no, for some reason the rebels are demanding the inspectors come look, while Assad has them locked in their hotel, not permitted to so much as cross the street. And when the UNSC assembles to demand that the inspectors go to the area and inspect, those who back the rebels and naturally would like to cover up this crime against humanity committed by their running dog mercenaries, want to send them. While China and Russia who back the regime and naturally would like nothing more than to expose this heinous crime to the world and prove they were right all along to back Assad, suddenly decide there is no urgency, we don't need no inspection, and veto the whole thing.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Aman;41924059]While true that still doesn't refute my reasoning. If I'm a dictator who is walking on egg shells I am not going to gas a couple hundred civilians for no gain whatsoever and at the same time having so much to lose from it. If what you say is his motive he would be much better off bombing them from the air or with artillery which will bring no western attention at all.[/QUOTE] It could have been easily just a Syria commander on the ground that ordered the use of chemicals in the bombardment of the suburbs. They're hardly a well trained and organised force.[editline]22nd August 2013[/editline]Its also incredibly suspicious how much the Syrian government are trying to cover this up as nothing happened.also [quote=BBC]The chances of the UN chemical weapons inspectors in Syria accessing the true site of Wednesday's alleged chemical attack in time to make a clear judgement on responsibility are slim.It took months to negotiate permission for them to visit other sites around the country and the Syrian government, backed by Russia, is resisting calls to give them access to the eastern Damascus suburb of Ghouta where this apparent atrocity took place. Part of the reason is the area is contested between government forces and rebels and is therefore unsafe.If an agent such as sarin has been used, the UN team would need to get to the site within days before traces become so faint as to be inconclusive. And if, as the opposition claims, it was a government attack, then a delay of days or weeks would give it enough time for forensic evidence to become controversial and for evidence of munitions used to be removed. The Syrian government insists it was the rebels who carried out the attack.[/quote]watch it take forever for the Syrian regime to grant them access. Like they did with all the other supposed chemical attack sites.

Let's not forget Assad [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXn39KqxxtE]isn't the only one in the region with nerve gas[/url], and he would have nothing to gain with an attack like this, conventional arms would have been sufficient to stop the Jordanian incursion. Not to mention some rather nasty people have been [url=http://www.cyberwarnews.info/reports/a-look-into-the-britam-defence-data-leak-files/]caught planning to stage something like this[/url] 7 months ago.

People of merica who use nuclear weapons twice why you so care?

[QUOTE=Aman;41924009]I know, the thing that just erks me and makes no logical sense is why gas attack days after UN inspectors show up for that very reason. The damn UN inspectors are a mere ~20 minutes from the site! Especially when it gives you no military gains, like I can't even think of a single upside for doing the attack so what would the motive be? Assad is no idiot. He must know he is on thin ice and the last thing he wants is any form of intervention or even any attention drawn to his regime at all. It just doesn't add up[/QUOTE]Though the investigators may be in the country, that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be given access to the site. It was over a month after the actual attacks that the inspectors gained access to the sites they're going to now. [QUOTE=Mingebox;41919579]What would Assad have to gain by gunning down protesters?[/QUOTE]It doesn't necessarily have to be about what Assad has to gain, but what overzealous, psychopathic military commander has access to such stuff.

[QUOTE=FluD;41926664]People of merica who use nuclear weapons twice why you so care?[/QUOTE] oh yeah I forgot about that time 46 years before I was born when I personally nuked Japan now I just feel silly!

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;41927810]oh yeah I forgot about that time 46 years before I was born when I personally nuked Japan now I just feel silly![/QUOTE] I saw you do it.

these bizarre rockets have been showing up here and there around the Damascus area and suburbs. [IMG]http://puu.sh/488Vo.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3FgUuVG8SIE/UgDb5u_ntQI/AAAAAAAABzE/OYmvI79HI5A/s1600/IMAG1016.jpg[/IMG] Often when there is an alleged chemical use these rockets show up. They are locally produced, no one produces anything like these. Payloads are mostly unknown. 1 picture for sure though shows unexploded HE. [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ad3pMDEq5Us/UgDfq_Mlt3I/AAAAAAAABzU/k1w1U1Ij_QU/s400/Homs+August.jpg[/IMG] [quote] This tightly packed yellow substance is very reminiscent of the explosive fill of high explosive bombs, such as the OFAB 250-275, and if the entire front end of that weapon is filled with that sort of high explosive it would be a devastating weapon. If this was propelled by a rocket it would be very much like an IRAM (Improvised Rocket Assisted Munition/Mortar) that has been previously used in the conflict on several occasions. The problem is, the other videos and photographs would seem to point away from the payload being a large amount of high explosive. It seems very likely an explosion of that size would totally destroy the front end of the munition, and almost certainly badly damage the rest of the munition, yet it's clear that in some of the images the front end seems relatively undamaged for what should be a massive explosion. That made me think, are we perhaps looking at more than one kind of payload? [/quote] I wonder if it's a super nationalist army commander doing this under his own will or something.

I remember hearing about a hacked email that the US Govt had authorized chemical weapons use in Syria and blame it on Assad [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxkmTMPvM0k"]Source[/URL] Edit: [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;41928346]Tbh infowars should just be a ban-on-sight source. It's the forum equivalent of simply shitting on the table at a dinner that has a nice conversation going.[/QUOTE] TBH I didn't know their reputation (or lack thereof) so I dismiss what I posted

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;41928203]I remember hearing about a hacked email that the US Govt had authorized chemical weapons use in Syria and blame it on Assad [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxkmTMPvM0k"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE]Tbh infowars should just be a ban-on-sight source. It's the forum equivalent of simply shitting on the table at a dinner that has a nice conversation going.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;41928346]Tbh infowars should just be a ban-on-sight source. It's the forum equivalent of simply shitting on the table at a dinner that has a nice conversation going.[/QUOTE] I don't think people should be banned for sources, if people here are so prone to being influenced by some random internet article then it just shows how slow they are. Kneejerk reaction isn't the OP's fault, it's the readers fault to decide weather or not to trust an article. What you want is the equivalent of "save the children", which facepunchers seem to be so against.