• ‘Marriage equality could lead to bestiality’ senator falls further into the shit
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[QUOTE=Cone;37784798]well you never said you weren't a wizard, it is now safe to say you must be a wizard. innocent before proven guilty man, make no assumptions until evidence proves them to be correct[/QUOTE] I am a wizard. I appreciate the recognition.
[QUOTE=J!NX;37784800]I've told him why he is wrong but he's obviously unable to listen to a single word anyone says... so[/QUOTE] So therefore your argument is invalid because 'they didn't listen'? I'm still anxiously waiting to hear why you think zoophiles can be 'cured' and yet homosexuality cannot.
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37784807]I am a wizard. I appreciate the recognition.[/QUOTE] well you're a shitty wizard then
[QUOTE=Ban Evader;37784826]So therefore your argument is invalid because 'they didn't listen'? I'm still anxiously waiting to hear why you think zoophiles can be 'cured' and yet homosexuality cannot.[/QUOTE] rofl you still think that's what I said no your argument is because you can't... basically. Stop shit posting.
[QUOTE=Cone;37784798]well you never said you weren't a wizard, it is now safe to say you must be a wizard. innocent before proven guilty man, make no assumptions until evidence proves them to be correct[/QUOTE] Bobie was suggesting that we fuel a harmful addiction in an effort to "cure" it. It was a piss horrible idea and I think we had a right to have questions about his motives.
[QUOTE=J!NX;37784844]rofl you still think that's what I said no your argument is because you can't... basically. Stop shit posting.[/QUOTE] I appreciate the thoughtful and concise response. This is sarcasm.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37784857]Bobie was suggesting that we fuel a harmful addiction in an effort to "cure" it. It was a piss horrible idea and I think we had a right to have questions about his motives.[/QUOTE] well of course [I]you guys[/I] think that you were right, you're the guys that thought that he was boning cats and dogs in the first place! you wouldn't have said that if you weren't incredibly biased and I wouldn't have had to make a post about it.
[QUOTE=Cone;37784894]well of course [I]you guys[/I] think that you were right, you're the guys that thought that he was boning cats and dogs in the first place! you wouldn't have said that if you weren't incredibly biased and I wouldn't have had to make a post about it.[/QUOTE] Bias of being against rape isn't exactly something to be ashamed of.
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37784926]Bias of being against rape isn't exactly something to be ashamed of.[/QUOTE] but there was nothing to say he was seriously raping animals did you even read my posts that's what I've been saying the whole time
all this whinging no sources what a truly sad sight to see
[QUOTE=Cone;37784950]but there was nothing to say he was seriously raping animals did you even read my posts that's what I've been saying the whole time[/QUOTE] That isn't what was being said though, I said we THOUGHT he was into zoophilia as he was acting like it. Then he said he wasan't so I said okay he isn't.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37784990]all this whinging no sources what a truly sad sight to see[/QUOTE] What are the arguments do you require sources on, I can look them up.
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37785002]That isn't what was being said though, I said we THOUGHT he was into zoophilia as he was acting like it. Then he said he wasan't so I said okay he isn't.[/QUOTE] well you thought wrong and stupidly
[QUOTE=Cone;37785018]well you thought wrong and stupidly[/QUOTE] I beg to differ.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37785011]What are the arguments do you require sources on, I can look them up.[/QUOTE] that animals do not/cannot give consent in any form, and that there is credible zoophilia therapy. it's not that im a zoophile, or im trolling, or that im an asshole. i just have my opinions, and unless i see an objective, better alternative i'm not willing to change them just yet.
...zoophilia therapy would be just like any other normal therapy you know... they talk about it with a therapist and try and work their way into a better lifestyle (assuming it's someone that's very heavy into actually doing it) [QUOTE=Bobie;37785049]that animals do not/cannot give consent in any form, and that there is credible zoophilia therapy. it's not that im a zoophile, or im trolling, or that im an asshole. i just have my opinions, and unless i see an objective, better alternative i'm not willing to change them just yet.[/QUOTE] you sure do have the selective reading of one though...
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37785031]I beg to differ.[/QUOTE] good for you
[QUOTE=Bobie;37785049]that animals do not/cannot give consent in any form, and that there is credible zoophilia therapy. it's not that im a zoophile, or im trolling, or that im an asshole. i just have my opinions, and unless i see an objective, better alternative i'm not willing to change them just yet.[/QUOTE] Animals don't speak our language so you can't know if they're giving you consent unless you start fucking and they reject it. Annnd, our genitalia is larger then theirs thus it will make them uncomfortable unless they're an ape, bear or some other massive mammal and can even damage their reproductive systems.
[QUOTE=J!NX;37785070]...zoophilia therapy would be just like any other normal therapy you know... they talk about it with a therapist and try and work their way into a better lifestyle (assuming it's someone that's very heavy into actually doing it) you sure do have the selective reading of one though...[/QUOTE] but i don't see how it's any different from say, curing homosexuality. it wouldn't work, a 'better life' might not be the one that's conditioned in the brain of a zoophile. also, [b]YOU SAYING IT WORKS IS [i]NOT A SOURCE[/i][/b]
[QUOTE=Bobie;37785110]but i don't see how it's any different from say, curing homosexuality. it wouldn't work, a 'better life' might not be the one that's conditioned in the brain of a zoophile.[/QUOTE] [B]you still aren't reading anything I said.[/B] I said man fucks dog, wants to fuck more dogs, but gets caught, gets it talked over, he (OBVIOUSLY) is not cured of the fetish but is cured of the action. this is [I]completely[/I] different from homosexuality. All he does is have a calm, neutral rehabilitating talk about what his problems are and how he can prevent the uncontrollable urge. how hard is it to understand that. But no, you think I want to put them into reduction camps or something.
[QUOTE=J!NX;37785115][B]you still aren't reading anything I said.[/B] I said man fucks dog, wants to fuck more dogs, but gets caught, gets it talked over, he (OBVIOUSLY) is not cured of the fetish but is cured of the action. this is [I]completely[/I] different from homosexuality. All he does is have a calm, neutral rehabilitating talk about what his problems are and how he can prevent the uncontrollable urge. how hard is it to understand that. But no, you think I want to put them into reduction camps or something.[/QUOTE] and how do you know he can be cured of wanting to act upon his urges.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37785160]and how do you know he can be cured of wanting to act upon his urges. the only incentive he has to not to it again is that he might go to prison for it, which isn't exactly friendly and encouraging.[/QUOTE] does your brain work [QUOTE=Bobie;37785160]and how do you know he can be cured of wanting to act upon his urges.[/QUOTE] because that's what therapy does. He's not cured of an uncurable fetish, he's cured of not being able to control himself because he gets the professional help he needs to resolve his issues. it's like making an alcoholic not get smashed every day by finding out [I]WHY[/I] he does it. You don't "Cure" anything but a bad urge. Do you see cats fucking dogs on a common basis? No, but you see gay animals. This is why it's such a radically different thing. You're acting as if therapy doesn't work, but want a better solution. [B]There is no better solution![/B] jail is obviously harsher, and you can't just "drug" people into thinking differently, you need to talk to them and understand them. the only other thing you can do is nothing, which is obviously not helping anyone at all, because the uncontrollable urges still exist and animals are still being abused. I'm trying to agree with you on being friendly to zoophiles but disagree with the act. [URL="http://www.healthadel.com/why-therapy-is-important/"]have someone that understands them talk to them into making better choices.[/URL] [QUOTE=J!NX;37784205]this, of course. it can't be anything torturous like "Gay treatment therapy". Obviously.[/QUOTE] seriously if you think this is me saying "we should torture them mentally" then you are [I]beyond [/I]stupid.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37785049]that animals do not/cannot give consent in any form, and that there is credible zoophilia therapy. it's not that im a zoophile, or im trolling, or that im an asshole. i just have my opinions, and unless i see an objective, better alternative i'm not willing to change them just yet.[/QUOTE] I don't see why you're blindly defending animal abuse, homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality are all natural in animals, Bestiality isn't and there's a good reason for that.
If it doesn't happen in nature what gives you the idea you should force it to happen.
[QUOTE=J!NX;37785167]does your brain work because that's what therapy does. He's not cured of an uncurable fetish, he's cured of not being able to control himself because he gets the professional help he needs to resolve his issues. it's like making an alcoholic not get smashed every day by finding out [I]WHY[/I] he does it. You don't "Cure" anything but a bad urge. Do you see cats fucking dogs on a common basis? No, but you see gay animals. This is why it's such a radically different thing. You're acting as if therapy doesn't work, but want a better solution. [B]There is no better solution![/B] jail is obviously harsher, and you can't just "drug" people into thinking differently, you need to talk to them and understand them. the only other thing you can do is nothing, which is obviously not helping anyone at all, because the uncontrollable urges still exist and animals are still being abused. I'm trying to agree with you on being friendly to zoophiles but disagree with the act[/QUOTE] inter species mating happens in nature, in fact it's suggested in research that humans are the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexual_behaviour#Other_evidence_of_interspecies_sexual_activity"]product of inter-species mating[/URL], and that one simple google search of 'interspecies mating' will bring you up alot of results (dont do this at work though) i'm not defending animal abuse. i think animal abuse is a terrible, terrible thing that should never have to exist. on the other hand however, i believe that there are pre-sexual mechanisms for consent that animals give to other animals; and on the basis of this we can create a system in which humans and animals have a consensual, sexual relation on the basis that zoophiles do not 'rape' animals on this. the major argument against this theory from all of you however is that, animals cannot give consent. but i am yet to see a source on this, because i've never heard of such at thing, and i'm still yet to see solid evidence that this does not happen. i would also like to see evidence that rehabilitative services for any form of sexuality can prevent people from ever performing the act again. [editline]edit[/editline] lol 4 dumbs and nobody's challenged it. maturity at it's finest
[QUOTE=Bobie;37785049]that animals do not/cannot give consent in any form, and that there is credible zoophilia therapy. it's not that im a zoophile, or im trolling, or that im an asshole. i just have my opinions, and unless i see an objective, better alternative i'm not willing to change them just yet.[/QUOTE] I just interrupted my Psychology teacher in the middle of a lesson to answer your question. I had to put it in different wording because that question is disturbing as fuck for school. I said "Is it possible that animals can answer a yes or no question based on their opinion on the question?" she said "If the question is something that isn't too complex and the dog has knowledge on the outcome of the question." BUT, acording to a wikipedia reference [I]some[/I] animals only have sex for fun. Other animals only do it for mating or prostitution (some species of penguin does this). Most animals only give their body to a mate that is deemed worthy. They fight back if it's rape. I'm not researching zoophilia
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;37785172]I don't see why you're blindly defending animal abuse, homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality are all natural in animals, Bestiality isn't and there's a good reason for that.[/QUOTE] Technically, dolphins have been known to rape (or at least try to) humans, but they're known for being horny bastards that will even use fish as sex toys. It's more of an exception, but some animals will try to have sex outside their species. EDIT:"Cetaceans seem to spend an inordinate amount of time in sexual activity. This may be generated by boredom in captivity, but observers in the wild tend to confirm it. Dolphins engage in love-play with almost every creature in sight - with mothers, brothers, fathers, daughters, cousins or aunts. There is even one record of a Bottlenose Dolphin masturbating with a herring". R. Brown, The Lure of the Dolphin, Avon: New York, 1979, quoted in Heathcote Williams, "Whale Nation", Jonathan Cape ltd.,1988
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;37785386]Technically, dolphins have been known to rape (or at least try to) humans, but they're known for being horny bastards that will even use fish as sex toys. It's more of an exception, but some animals will try to have sex outside their species. EDIT:"Cetaceans seem to spend an inordinate amount of time in sexual activity. This may be generated by boredom in captivity, but observers in the wild tend to confirm it. Dolphins engage in love-play with almost every creature in sight - with mothers, brothers, fathers, daughters, cousins or aunts. There is even one record of a Bottlenose Dolphin masturbating with a herring". R. Brown, The Lure of the Dolphin, Avon: New York, 1979, quoted in Heathcote Williams, "Whale Nation", Jonathan Cape ltd.,1988[/QUOTE] if i recall, there's an entire book on how to have sex with dolphins properly. it was on fp a while back
whether or not something occurs in nature is completely meaningless. hint: everything occurs in nature
[QUOTE=Ban Evader;37784764]Hohohoho[/QUOTE] can you please stop your antagonizing, middle-of-the-road posts that more or less contribute nothing to this thread?
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