• EU set to call for breakup of Google
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Did none of you read more than the title (edit: rereading the article I see it's just as bad as the title, making shit up. Top-notch journalism)? It's the same shit as when people complained about the Microsoft antitrust all over again. People thinking the antitrust is about one thing (like "breaking up Google") when it isn't even remotely about that.
I mean hey, if they're that against google having an arguable monopoly I guess they could always ban google services and products in the EU I'm sure the EU citizens will get a real kick out of it
I must say that since I started reading the book "The Circle" by Dave Eggers, I think that it is bad to have some sort of monopoly like Google. Google handles payments, Google allows you to log in on any website, Google allows you to find all the information you want and Google saves all your data (the things you search for, the things you visited, etc). Even though I'm not one of those people that'd cry about it, or even feel uncomfortable about it, I still think that having such a big marketshare with not just a search engine is quite bad. Google is everywhere already (phones, browser, websites, ISP, list goes on) [editline]22nd November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Medevila;46545935]EU is upset Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc are all American companies[/QUOTE] Illuminati
[QUOTE=Cyberuben;46545991]I must say that since I started reading the book "The Circle" by Dave Eggers, I think that it is bad to have some sort of monopoly like Google. Google handles payments, Google allows you to log in on any website, Google allows you to find all the information you want and Google saves all your data (the things you search for, the things you visited, etc). Even though I'm not one of those people that'd cry about it, or even feel uncomfortable about it, I still think that having such a big marketshare with not just a search engine is quite bad. Google is everywhere already (phones, browser, websites, ISP, list goes on) [editline]22nd November 2014[/editline] Illuminati[/QUOTE] Despite this reality, it is the result of consumer choice. I don't know of any websites that only let you login via google, but I love the convenience it gives me as someone who already uses google. Everything is optional.
[QUOTE=Cmx;46545597]Microsoft is a pretty large competitor with Bing Though bitching about how established Google is, is like bitching about how established windows is.[/QUOTE] Which led to several anti-trust suits.
[QUOTE=smurfy;46545428]Very important to note that the European Parliament can't actually carry this out and AFAIK has basically no involvement in the process of breaking up a company[/QUOTE] To add to this, the Parliament has a reputation for being the most radical institution of the EU and often calling for stuff that just ain't gonna happen. The Commission (the sort-of-executive-branch of the EU) I think is the body that would really have the power to put this into action, and they're very unlikely to.
I kind of like Bing's image search over Google's. It's faster and I hit back when I didn't need to with Google's, taking me back to the previous page all the time But Google's services are more consumer friendly than almost any company that offers services that I can think of. And you can tell by just going to Google.com to do a search compared to any other search engine, even Bing. They have basically nothing in your face, whereas a place like Yahoo, you have the world's information thrown at you, even if you just want to do a quick search. Now I wouldn't be surprised if Google did this on purpose so that you can load the page as fast as possible and get a search off, making more people perform more searches in time to see more ads, but again, Google's ads aren't in your face, either. And, like I said, it's consumer-friendly. Besides, these things aren't like a utility. I pay for my internet, which violates me all the time, and use these websites on my own free will, emphasis on free. I don't have to pay a cent to Google to use them. So what reason would Google need to be broken up
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;46545410]thing is, google will invariably start doing shit sooner or later(and according to the complaints they are doing shit), because it's a matter of time till an asshole gets in charge, still hilarious that microsoft of all companies is backing this.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=GoldenDargon;46545655]Yeah but it's more likely to happen with Google imo[/QUOTE] I honestly don't understand why you'd argue "they're going to do something bad" for the sole fact that they are a large company.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46546606]I honestly don't understand why you'd argue "they're going to do something bad" for the sole fact that they are a large company.[/QUOTE] Because large companies obviously have such a squeaky clean track record, right?
[QUOTE=hrak;46545394]Instead we get cheap fiber and unintrusive ads.[/QUOTE] What?! Unintrusive? Have you seen Youtbe in the past three or four years? It's absolutely unwatcheable without ad block plus!
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46546709]Because large companies obviously have such a squeaky clean track record, right?[/QUOTE] Once again, why does large = bad? Composition fallacy doesn't make a compelling argument. X company is big. Y company is big. Z company is big. X and Y did questionable things. That doesn't mean Z [I]has[/I] to do something bad.
bring back ask jeeves
What's strange is google has pretty much complied with every beckoning request from European regulators and its still not enough, they put in forgetting stuff rukles, they've rolled back this and that as demanded, i m not really for monopolies but google really is one of the rare exceptions where a monopoly is needed, and further more I think European regulators are being a bit biased against an american company [editline]22nd November 2014[/editline] How exactly would google even be broke up in this context, like rolling off google services into separate companies doesn't touch googles search engine anyways
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46546833]Once again, why does large = bad? Composition fallacy doesn't make a compelling argument. X company is big. Y company is big. Z company is big. X and Y did questionable things. That doesn't mean Z [I]has[/I] to do something bad.[/QUOTE] It's asinine to put any trust in big companies. All around the world for decades they've fucked the little guy for their own gain. Why is Google any different? Because you like them?
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46546952]It's asinine to put any trust in big companies. All around the world for decades they've fucked the little guy for their own gain. Why is Google any different? Because you like them?[/QUOTE] Do you even read what I post? You're just using composition fallacy again. I'll apply the same logic to this forum that you apply to businesses: "A lot of Facepunchers eventually become shitposters. Therefore, you are a shitposter because you are a Facepuncher." Do you see the problem with this logic yet?
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46546960]Do you even read what I post? You're just using composition fallacy again. I'll apply the same logic to this forum that you apply to businesses: "A lot of Facepunchers eventually become shitposters. Therefore, you are a shitposter because you are a Facepuncher." Do you see the problem with this logic yet?[/QUOTE] Maybe in the context you're using (facepunchers) but big companies have an actual effect on the world when they're shitty, and they're shitty so often, that I have absolutely no reason to give any trust to any big company whatsoever. I trust Google about as much as I could throw their CEO, mainly because they keep constantly eating up every little company and get into every single facet of business. It reeks of attempting a monopoly, and I already consider them dangerously close.
This isn't about Google becoming a "shitty company". It's about it being difficult to compete with someone who controls the entire Internet ecosystem.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46545395]Just being very good at doing what you do isn't antitrust, that's like kicking out an athlete from a competition because he's way much better than everyone else. If you want to compete with google, you have to be better than google, simple as that.[/QUOTE] Hahahaha Yeah good luck trying to be better than a company that has the most popular search engine, the largest video platform, a widely used browser and email service, and also has the most popular Smart phone operating system in the world. You cannot compete with Google. It's impossible. Edit: I suggest you guys read this. It might change your viewpoint a bit [url]https://www.axelspringer.de/dl/433625/LetterMathiasDoepfnerEricSchmidt.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Lick;46545406]Think of the alternatives though [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/bQCt4y.jpg[/IMG] *shivers*[/QUOTE] We are still missing one thing :v: [t]http://windows8problems.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Remove-ask-toolbar.jpg[/t] Ask Toolbar and it's Search Bar
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46545395]Just being very good at doing what you do isn't antitrust, that's like kicking out an athlete from a competition because he's way much better than everyone else. If you want to compete with google, you have to be better than google, simple as that.[/QUOTE] But if you are better than google you become part of google
The problem is that a company that relies on the internet to make profit has no choice but to accept whatever Google does, because Google controls 70% of the global market share in search engines. If people can't find the company's site through the search engine, said site will start to lose profit, and the other Search engines can't even nearly make up for that loss. So what do you do if Google starts making demands on you and your company? Take it in the ass or else they're going to remove your site from the listings.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46547612]The problem is that a company that relies on the internet to make profit has no choice but to accept whatever Google does, because Google controls 70% of the global market share in search engines. If people can't find the company's site through the search engine, said site will start to lose profit, and the other Search engines can't even nearly make up for that loss. So what do you do if Google starts making demands on you and your company? Take it in the ass or else they're going to remove your site from the listings.[/QUOTE] Does google actually do that right now? Cause I never heard that they do that, and we cant punish someone for something they might do (based entirely on guesses and presumptions)
[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;46545655]Yeah but it's more likely to happen with Google imo[/QUOTE] Really? Google, and not Wal-Mart, which was the company being parodied in the movie?
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46547536]Hahahaha Yeah good luck trying to be better than a company that has the most popular search engine, the largest video platform, a widely used browser and email service, and also has the most popular Smart phone operating system in the world. You cannot compete with Google. It's impossible. Edit: I suggest you guys read this. It might change your viewpoint a bit [url]https://www.axelspringer.de/dl/433625/LetterMathiasDoepfnerEricSchmidt.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] Popularity of search, video, browser, email, and phones... Popularity. The competitors are out there. Being popular isn't a reason to be broken. [editline]22nd November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Starlight 456;46547083]Maybe in the context you're using (facepunchers) but big companies have an actual effect on the world when they're shitty, and they're shitty so often, that I have absolutely no reason to give any trust to any big company whatsoever. I trust Google about as much as I could throw their CEO, mainly because they keep constantly eating up every little company and get into every single facet of business. It reeks of attempting a monopoly, and I already consider them dangerously close.[/QUOTE] Other than your wilful ignorance of logical fallacy, the worst part of your post is that you think having a business with many branches equals a monopoly. A monopoly is to be the biggest entity in a field. Being one of many in a branching field is not the same. You can argue that google has a monopoly in many online fields, but these all have fair competition in regard to the nature of the internet and consumer choice within. but OHHH NO that DARN GOOGLERO
[QUOTE=joshuadim;46545385]To be honest, this is ridiculously true. There needs to be competition with google :\[/QUOTE] No it's not. They wanted Google to pay for display of snippets of content( like every other site, even this very thread, does) in search results and Google just straight up removed them because that's what they gave as a second option besides paying an unreasonable amount of money, their traffic broke down and they ran away crying. [editline]22nd November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46547612]The problem is that a company that relies on the internet to make profit has no choice but to accept whatever Google does, because Google controls 70% of the global market share in search engines. If people can't find the company's site through the search engine, said site will start to lose profit, and the other Search engines can't even nearly make up for that loss. So what do you do if Google starts making demands on you and your company? Take it in the ass or else they're going to remove your site from the listings.[/QUOTE] This is such a stupid way of thinking, by this logic you'd have to break up small companies that produce very specialized products too, RAM memory producers for example. You take action once they actually DO use that power to control the market but then you have to give proof. You don't just break up companies because they are successful.
If google would make so that their competitors wouldn't show up when you search for something on google. Like if you type "bing" in you only get results on the onomatopoetia (i probably spelled that wrong, but w/e) yeah, that would be antitrust.
I'm a citizen of EU and I say fuck this! Google has earned its place in our civilization, and I could trust them with them with ANY information. Besides, it's simply their customer data. It comes from the services they offer to people, and they have the right to that. They can better their services through learning from their customer behavior.
[QUOTE=bitches;46545472]"i prefer another service and since my service's competitor doesn't make apps for their competitors benefit, i think they should be crippled"[/QUOTE] Read up on the YouTube app for Windows Phone bullshit and realise that it goes deeper than Google simply not bothering to make an app for Windows Phone. I'm not gonna comment on the EU case, 'cause I'm not really well versed in EU anti-trust laws, but Google does silly bullshit all the time.
Anything that hurts Axel Springer is good
The only reason I hate Google is their fucking google account system. I've got multiple google accounts on my android, my dad's photos are being backed up on my tablet, I've downloaded apps with an account I can't buy their micro transactions with, fucking fuck these things are a maze.
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