The root of this case seems to stem from 91.5% of Germany using google instead of some local search engine, this is not like a utility like they claim it is, it takes literally 3 seconds to switch google to something else in your browser, this kind of antitrust lawsuit is silly, now if they were arguing about google and android that be one thing but at least in context of the article it seems like they're just wasting time blaming google for their own failing business models that dont account for modern internet connected society
[QUOTE=hrak;46545394]Google hasn't done anything particularly bad that I'm sure a lot of other companies would do
I don't really give a shit if they stay on top, monopolies are only bad if they're actually treating customers badly. Instead we get cheap fiber and unintrusive ads.[/QUOTE]
If a government believes in the principles of "trust busting," then they cannot be biased. If a government were to base its antitrust laws on the quality of products or service that a monopolistic business provides, that government would then be favoring one business over another and not being unbiased as they ought to be.
[QUOTE=Skanic;46545620]You sure are funny, didn't say i prefer it or anything i use bing mostly only google sometimes. And youtube is google as well. I didn't say they should be crippled, only spanked on ass.[/QUOTE]
Maybe someone should stop sucking cocks and deliver a better service then?
Aka google's competitors are crying again.
[QUOTE=Source;46549585]Aka google's competitors are crying again.[/QUOTE]
What competitors? Google already bought them all up and absorbed all their services.
[QUOTE=bravehat;46548869]Maybe someone should stop sucking cocks and deliver a better service then?[/QUOTE]
Kind of hard to when people refuse to try new things just because it isn't made by their favorite web overlord/company.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46549596]What competitors? Google already bought them all up and absorbed all their services.[/QUOTE]
Poor YouTube didn't deserve this fate just because Google Videos never took off.
[QUOTE=Stonecycle;46549610]Kind of hard to when people refuse to try new things just because it isn't made by their favorite web overlord/company.
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I use google's services because I find them superior. It doesn't mean it is a case of fanboyism.
For example, it took me a good while to stop using Dropbox over Google Drive, and that was just because of slow dropbox speeds and low bandwidth limitations on dropbox's part. Ultimately I don't use either, in favor of my own server and BTSync.
[editline]22nd November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46549596]What competitors? Google already bought them all up and absorbed all their services.[/QUOTE]
Again with the wilful ignorance (also known as stupidity).
Google? Bing. Ask. Yahoo.
Docs? I don't even know, but my dad quite likes google, and uses some competitor. I could [i]google[/i] to find who they are.
Android? Apple, Microsoft.
Maps? Apple has one.
this goes on and on
but you don't care because you would be wrong then oh no
[QUOTE=Stonecycle;46545874]Ever since I disabled any requests to Google services, countless sites have broken to an almost unusable state.[/QUOTE]
Unblock google CDN, it's used to hold elements like jquery.
Also google is colluding with several other companies to keep wages low, there's no way to say they're not evil after that.
Sources:
[url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/08/09/apple-google-intel-their-wage-cartel-settlement-shot-down-bu-judge-lucy-koh/?optimizely=a[/url]
[url]http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N0KP02P20140115?irpc=932[/url]
If they're pulling that shit in the usa, they have enough "history" to be investigated in the eu as well.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46549596]What competitors? Google already bought them all up and absorbed all their services.[/QUOTE]
DuckDuckGo instead of Search [B](Some faggot just told me that DuckDuckGo might monitor your searches as well. Use Startpage if you're worried about it.)[/B]
Vimeo instead of Youtube
Mapquest instead of Maps (This one is actually the hardest to find an alternative for)
Yahoo News or a custom RSS instead of Google News
@cock.li or @protonmail instead of @gmail
Thunderbird or Protonmail instead of Gmail
Firefox/Iceweasel/Palemoon/TOR instead of Chrome
Get a custom Android ROM that doesn't have Google services preinstalled
Install NoScript and/or Disconnect on your browser to disable Google analytics.
I'm probably missing something, but you can definitely survive independent of Google/Microsoft/Apple/every large software company.
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Oh duh:
Openoffice/Libreoffice instead of Docs
Mega/Dropbox/pomf.se instead of Drive
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;46550367]Except that they already violate that trust regularly by using it for targetted advertising?[/QUOTE]
Hmm.. Maybe something could be done about that.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;46550367]Except that they already violate that trust regularly by using it for targetted advertising?[/QUOTE]
oh boo hoo an advert might be fuckin' relevant for once
Also, you can opt out of google targeted ads.
[url]http://www.google.com/ads/preferences/?hl=en[/url]
[QUOTE=theseltsamone;46550331]DuckDuckGo instead of Search
Vimeo instead of Youtube
Mapquest instead of Maps (This one is actually the hardest to find an alternative for)
Yahoo News or a custom RSS instead of Google News
@cock.li or @protonmail instead of @gmail
Thunderbird or Protonmail instead of Gmail
Firefox/Iceweasel/Palemoon/TOR instead of Chrome
Get a custom Android ROM that doesn't have Google services preinstalled
Install NoScript and/or Disconnect on your browser to disable Google analytics.
I'm probably missing something, but you can definitely survive independent of Google/Microsoft/Apple/every large software company.[/QUOTE]
Alternatives exist, but the majority of people don't know about most of those. Only the biggest privacy minded people use duck duck go for example
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46550543]Alternatives exist, but the majority of people don't know about most of those. Only the biggest privacy minded people use duck duck go for example[/QUOTE]
Where's the problem in that?
Alternatives exist. If you care enough about this just use them.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46550558]Where's the problem in that?[/QUOTE]
It's hard for those to compete because of how ubiquitous Google is, which is what this is about.
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;46550496]oh boo hoo an advert might be fuckin' relevant for once[/QUOTE]
It's a bit more of a problem in America since the government can and does bypass that damned 4th amendment by asking Google for user data, and even if Google wanted to turn them down the NSA apparently taps their data lines and piggybacks off of fronts set up by other agencies in order to pose as 'advertising agencies' and related businesses.
Not sure how much they do this sort of thing abroad though.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46550543]Alternatives exist, but the majority of people don't know about most of those. Only the biggest privacy minded people use duck duck go for example[/QUOTE]
Be the change. I've told all of my friends about open source / (more) secure alternatives to the shit they use right now and have shown them how to use and install the stuff they want.
You can't expect these small, usually free services to start huge advertising campaigns to get the word out there; the best you can do is let people know what's happening, why they should care, and how they can change it.
Google is by no means the best company on earth. But they're lightyears ahead of the competition and that's why everyone's been ok with it. Google has literally conformed to EVERY FUCKING BATSHIT CRAZY RULING that the EU has put on them. What the fuck else do they want? Like holy shit the EU has been constantly raping Google and Google has conformed to their terrible policies they put on them. Now they want to break them up, as if they haven't been doing anything they've been told? Google is only in a dominant position because PEOPLE USE THEM. You don't fucking complain about how they've been obeying the NSA when you've done the same thing.
/end rant
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46550563]It's hard for those to compete because of how ubiquitous Google is, which is what this is about.[/QUOTE]
... Where's the problem in that? People use googles services because google provides a superior product. Unless you can prove google is partaking in anticompetitive methods then this is a non issue. This isn't the same as alot of other antitrust cases because it's impossible for google to ever actually have a monopoly.
If you're concerned about privacy don't use googles products.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46546833]Once again, why does large = bad?
Composition fallacy doesn't make a compelling argument.
X company is big. Y company is big. Z company is big.
X and Y did questionable things.
That doesn't mean Z [I]has[/I] to do something bad.[/QUOTE]
While true, corporations have time and again proven they cannot be trusted. It's better to prevent monopolies when 9 times out of 10 they get abused than allow them for the one out of ten that they aren't.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46546960]Do you even read what I post? You're just using composition fallacy again.
I'll apply the same logic to this forum that you apply to businesses: "A lot of Facepunchers eventually become shitposters. Therefore, you are a shitposter because you are a Facepuncher." Do you see the problem with this logic yet?[/QUOTE]
There's a massive difference between someone who makes stupid posts on a forum and a company that pretty much controls modern life.
[QUOTE=TestECull;46550762]While true, corporations have time and again proven they cannot be trusted. It's better to prevent monopolies when 9 times out of 10 they get abused than allow them for the one out of ten that they aren't.
There's a massive difference between someone who makes stupid posts on a forum and a company that pretty much controls modern life.[/QUOTE]
"Guilty before proven innocent"
People use google because it provides a crushingly superior service at a smaller if not nonexistent cost.
Competition for google exists, they're just all complete shit in comparison.
[QUOTE=TestECull;46550762]While true, corporations have time and again proven they cannot be trusted. It's better to prevent monopolies when 9 times out of 10 they get abused than allow them for the one out of ten that they aren't.
There's a massive difference between someone who makes stupid posts on a forum and a company that pretty much controls modern life.[/QUOTE]
So Google should be broken up because it is a successful (and therefore large) business. Amazing. And you're ignoring how competition exists and is ultimately ruled by consumer choice.
Google does not control modern life, nor are they about to. Stop being so dramatic.
Google offers outstanding services like gmail, drive, search, android, that great internet in some places and a ton of other crap, all for free. The fact that they're so big allows them to provide all these services for free or low cost and support them with ad money due to their popularity. They also have a lot of failed projects that they tried which is something many companies are afraid to or can't afford to risk. Google being split would be sad.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46547083]Maybe in the context you're using (facepunchers) but big companies have an actual effect on the world when they're shitty[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TestECull;46550762]There's a massive difference between someone who makes stupid posts on a forum and a company that pretty much controls modern life.[/QUOTE]
I was providing an example of the logical fallacy.
No matter the scale of what you're dealing with, the same logic applies to both. Whether or not it will have an effect on you is irrelevant to the logic itself.
"They can effect my life" isn't an excuse for a bad argument.
[QUOTE=TestECull;46546772]What?! Unintrusive? Have you seen Youtbe in the past three or four years? It's absolutely unwatcheable without ad block plus![/QUOTE]
I actually disable adblock+ for video ads because they're the ones that don't bother me. I'm fine with having to wait 5-30 seconds to support twitch/youtube/TGWTG/etc because they're legitimate ads and I like to support content creators.
The ads that bother me are "MOMS ONLY: FREE COLLEGE CHOOSE YOUR AGE" "LEARN THIS PERSONS ONE TRICK TO WEIGHT LOSS DOCTORS HATE HIM!" that are obviously fucking scams.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;46550792]"Guilty before proven innocent"[/QUOTE]
Why the fuck are we defending corporations as if they're people? Why the fuck does anybody put [I]any[/I] trust in big corporations? I'm seriously baffled by this, Google, Comcast, Exxon Mobile, Whoever the fuck it is, deserves absolutely 0 trust. Big corporations give you literally zero reason to trust them. Trusting a big corporation is one of the least intelligent ideas ever, because big corporations constantly fuck people over for their own gain.
It's genuinely disturbing how people are so readily defending something that couldn't care less about them.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46552841][U]Why the fuck are we defending corporations as if they're people?[/U] Why the fuck does anybody put [I]any[/I] trust in big corporations? I'm seriously baffled by this, Google, Comcast, Exxon Mobile, Whoever the fuck it is, deserves absolutely 0 trust. Big corporations give you literally zero reason to trust them. Trusting a big corporation is one of the least intelligent ideas ever, because big corporations constantly fuck people over for their own gain.
It's genuinely disturbing how people are so readily defending something that couldn't care less about them.[/QUOTE]
Because corporations are people[I].
[/I]The building and the equipment aren't the corporation, it's the people behind it. You haven't really done much but say "corporations are bad because they're just bad and you're stupid if you think otherwise."Nothing about any of these types of businesses is inherently evil.
People should stop fanboying over Google already. They might have the best search engine, but they aint the saints you all make them out to be
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46552851]Because corporations [I]are[/I] people. The building and the equipment aren't the corporation, it's the people behind it.
You haven't really done much but say "corporations are bad because they're just bad and you're stupid if you think otherwise."[/QUOTE]
Corporations are a conglomeration of people, correct.
But they're not individuals and should not be treated as such.
[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;46552865]People should stop fanboying over Google already. They might have the best search engine, but they aint the saints you all make them out to be[/QUOTE]
By no means should anyone treat them as saints, but calling a company evil just because it is a corporation doesn't make sense.
Companies should be looked at as this, by default.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/o9UBaEx.png[/IMG]
Just because they are a large business doesn't automatically make them
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sPYPA2l.jpg[/IMG]
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