[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46552841]Why the fuck are we defending corporations as if they're people? Why the fuck does anybody put [I]any[/I] trust in big corporations? I'm seriously baffled by this, Google, Comcast, Exxon Mobile, Whoever the fuck it is, deserves absolutely 0 trust. Big corporations give you literally zero reason to trust them. Trusting a big corporation is one of the least intelligent ideas ever, because big corporations constantly fuck people over for their own gain.
It's genuinely disturbing how people are so readily defending something that couldn't care less about them.[/QUOTE]
Because you would want someone else to trust you. If you trust nothing, why bother using it? Just because it's a corporation does not make it untrustworthy.
Why do you think I trust google? Google gives me an opportunity to use a free service, and I use that free service. End of story.
[QUOTE=bitches;46550899]So Google should be broken up because it is a successful (and therefore large) business. Amazing. And you're ignoring how competition exists and is ultimately ruled by consumer choice.
Google does not control modern life, nor are they about to. Stop being so dramatic.[/QUOTE]
I trust no corporation any farther than I can throw their headquarters. Besides, it doesn't matter whether you or I believe it should be, what matters is the law, and if the law says Google is too big then they need to be broken up.
[QUOTE=TestECull;46554193]I trust no corporation any farther than I can throw their headquarters. Besides, it doesn't matter whether you or I believe it should be, what matters is the law, and if the law says Google is too big then they need to be broken up.[/QUOTE]The law will never say that though, because there's nothing stopping competitors from entering the market. Since the internet is thoroughly international, any company like Google who is into a multitude of things can be hit from anywhere, their search engine could face competition from a European-based engine, Google Maps could be met with a Russian alternative, Sketchup could be faced with a Chinese program that's as simple and easy to learn... Really, all of these things (and more) could form together to make some sort of anti-Google company.
Seriously, the internet is basically the direct implementation of every libertarian's wet dream and shouldn't be fucked with. [i]It's perfect.[/i] Right now it's a government-free zone that anyone can build a business in, anyone in the world, which will be guided to the top by the invisible hand if it's really that good and people want it. Your dinky little backyard widget operation can challenge a multinational corporation's megafactory that produces billions of widgets per second or whatever, there's nothing stopping you from succeeding. In fact the usual methods like heavy advertising and aggressive bullshitting that keep the too-big-to-fail companies, who are the reason why antitrust legislation exists by the way, from falling flat on their asses actively harm one's chances of success. Why? Simple, the internet and all of it's denizens have a hard-on for the truth and facts above all else and [i]they will always find out the truth.[/i]
There is no need to break up Google.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46550807]People use google because it provides a crushingly superior service at a smaller if not nonexistent cost.
Competition for google exists, they're just all complete shit in comparison.[/QUOTE]
Uhm, beyond YouTube (simply because of its sheer size), what does Google provide that is "[I]crushingly[/I] superior" to alternatives? People don't Google things because Google is slightly better than Bing, they Google stuff because it's become the actual verb for doing an internet search.
Map wise you have Bing Maps, Nokia Here and probably some more local services. Gmail/Outlook/Yahoo, Drive/OneDrive/dropbox/iCloud, etc.
When you look at it, Google is really only hugely superior in that it owns YouTube, the largest video service on the planet. You can't make a YouTube account anymore, you have to create a Google account, and with that you automatically get gmail and the rest of the package.
Because of the anti-trust lawsuit back in the late 90's, Internet Explorer had to provide (at least until recently) an automatic prompt for what search engine you want to use. People know Google, so they chose Google. They don't think "oh yeah I always get superior search results with Google!", it's simply a case of mindshare.
There's competent competition to all almost Google products (at the very least calling them shit tier is ridiculous), but Google is basically synonymous with "internet", and they're riding on that. Not saying Google provides bad services - they really don't - but just saying all their products are amazing and that's why they're on top is just willful ignorance.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46554498]Uhm, beyond YouTube (simply because of its sheer size), what does Google provide that is "[I]crushingly[/I] superior" to alternatives?[/QUOTE]
My pick out of other examples would probably be Android.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46545395]Just being very good at doing what you do isn't antitrust, that's like kicking out an athlete from a competition because he's way much better than everyone else.
If you want to compete with google, you have to be better than google, simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Once a competitor becomes so good that they keep potential competitors from growing, it breaks the entire idea of free market and competition, tho.
To enhance your own allegory, the truth is that Google is the world boxing champion but just go and beat up everyone who tries to pick up boxing and begins trying, with hope to eventually face them.
Google isn't at fault, this is irreversible instability in our socially-economical system that has no better solution.
This also isn't a punishment. There's nothing that would stop the newly formed parts of google from thriving, each on their own. It's not a penalty or punishment. It's necessary correction of anomaly that can have very negative effect in our system.
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[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46554498]Uhm, beyond YouTube (simply because of its sheer size), what does Google provide that is "[I]crushingly[/I] superior" to alternatives?[/QUOTE]
The thing that nets Google most of it's profits. Internet advertising.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46554595]Once a competitor becomes so good that they keep potential competitors from growing, it breaks the entire idea of free market and competition, tho.
To enhance your own allegory, the truth is that Google is the world boxing champion but just go and beat up everyone who tries to pick up boxing and begins trying, with hope to eventually face them.[/QUOTE]Except that doesn't happen at all, we're not limited to just [i]one[/i] thing here, I use Google, DuckDuckGo, and WolframAlpha about equally, depending on what it is I'm doing. Sure, Google is the most popular but then again I do unorthodox things that most people don't bother with. That's just search engines, I have Youtube, Dailymotion, and Liveleak accounts, hotmail, rocketmail, gmail... I use all this shit simultaneously, I'm never limited to just my Google-oriented stuff, or just my Microsoft-oriented stuff, or the laughably small amount of Apple-related stuff I have. (fuck you iTunes)
There's so many reasons why applying real-world models do not work in an entirely digital world, the rules are totally different. If you applied internet behavior to real life you'd basically need the ability to instantly teleport, you'd be shopping at Wal-Mart one minute and then zip over to Target the moment you couldn't find anything you wanted. (or a few hundred thousand options for niche stores, like you find on the internet)
The thing is, Google provide everything from [url=https://cloud.google.com]virtual servers[/URL] to [url=http://classroom.google.com]virtual classrooms[/URL], and you only need one account for it all, so for smaller companies to do something better than all that is no easy job.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;46554704]Except that doesn't happen at all, we're not limited to just [i]one[/i] thing here, I use Google, DuckDuckGo, and WolframAlpha about equally, depending on what it is I'm doing. Sure, Google is the most popular but then again I do unorthodox things that most people don't bother with. That's just search engines, I have Youtube, Dailymotion, and Liveleak accounts, hotmail, rocketmail, gmail... I use all this shit simultaneously, I'm never limited to just my Google-oriented stuff, or just my Microsoft-oriented stuff, or the laughably small amount of Apple-related stuff I have. (fuck you iTunes)
There's so many reasons why applying real-world models do not work in an entirely digital world, the rules are totally different. If you applied internet behavior to real life you'd basically need the ability to instantly teleport, you'd be shopping at Wal-Mart one minute and then zip over to Target the moment you couldn't find anything you wanted. (or a few hundred thousand options for niche stores, like you find on the internet)[/QUOTE]
The fact that it's an option say anything about the market. Your personal experience is irrelevant compared to global statistics to usage and mainly cash flow.
By the way, this is far less about the services you name and see, this is about the internet advertisement market and advertising information, seamlessly woven into all the services.
Advertising is the thing Google breathes through, and advertising market is the one they have absolutely cornered.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46554789]The fact that it's an option say anything about the market. Your personal experience is irrelevant compared to global statistics to usage and mainly cash flow.[/QUOTE]pppfffwhaa what the hell
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46554789]By the way, this is far less about the services you name and see, this is about the internet advertisement market and advertising information, seamlessly woven into all the services.
Advertising is the thing Google breathes through, and advertising market is the one they have absolutely cornered.[/QUOTE]Anyway, how do they have advertising "cornered" in any way? There's ads on just about every single site out there, Google doesn't have some monopoly on advertisements and the revenue they get from them is the same kind of revenue everyone else gets, the difference is volume. Again, I'm not really seeing a point how this is an example of a lack of competition, because I can see an ad on a Youtube video that's imbedded in a page on a site that has the exact same ad as across the top. Again, nobody is restricted to any one thing and both the site and Google get revenue from the same page view.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46552841]Why the fuck are we defending corporations as if they're people? Why the fuck does anybody put [I]any[/I] trust in big corporations? I'm seriously baffled by this, Google, Comcast, Exxon Mobile, Whoever the fuck it is, deserves absolutely 0 trust. Big corporations give you literally zero reason to trust them. Trusting a big corporation is one of the least intelligent ideas ever, because big corporations constantly fuck people over for their own gain.
It's genuinely disturbing how people are so readily defending something that couldn't care less about them.[/QUOTE]
Because if you're just going to flatly say no corporation is worth anyone's time then you've just written off most of the planet.
There are people doing good out there.
EDIT: to be honest for those bitching about privacy, if you really took it that seriously then you'd be using a VPS in a different jurisdiction registered under false information. No amount of honesty from a service provider can stop the long arm of the law eventually getting your information (depending where you live).
[QUOTE=joshuadim;46545385]To be honest, this is ridiculously true.
There needs to be competition with google :\[/QUOTE]
All the competition with google sucks. I like google. Just because a product has a monopoly doesnt mean it's a bad product
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