Idaho teen shoots burglar during home invasion, gunfight
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[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309469]And of course this family's life is worth more than another family where an accidental discharge blew the face off a relative.
No, the intruder was not there "with intent to kill". The article says that he was trying to escape through a window, then ran back when he couldn't, and only when cornered started shooting.
So if the kid hadn't picked up a shotgun and they had kept their cool, the guy would have run away, police would maybe have found the guy later, arrested him, and there wouldn't be bullet holes in the house.
Shit he's stolen would maybe be covered by insurance or later confiscated by police, but in any case is worth less than a guy now pissing in a bag and a teen who might need psychological counselling once reality kicks in, which costs literally everyone more.
But again, boom stick.[/QUOTE]
Fuck dude you don't know that he wouldn't have started shooting without the presence of the shotgun anyway.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309469]And of course this family's life is worth more than another family where an accidental discharge blew the face off a relative.
No, the intruder was not there "with intent to kill". The article says that he was trying to escape through a window, then ran back when he couldn't, and only when cornered started shooting.
So if the kid hadn't picked up a shotgun and they had kept their cool, the guy would have run away, police would maybe have found the guy later, arrested him, and there wouldn't be bullet holes in the house.
Shit he's stolen would maybe be covered by insurance or later confiscated by police, but in any case is worth less than a guy now pissing in a bag and a teen who might need psychological counselling once reality kicks in, which costs literally everyone more.
But again, boom stick.[/QUOTE]
i'm so tired of these empty emotional appeals
they are always totally off base
it's not my fault if cletus two towns over puts a hole in his foot because he's an irresponsible dipshit
it's really easy for people who don't have something to go "Well why don't you just get rid of it :downs:"
[QUOTE=Perrine;51309503]
Aren't you the guy who thinks pulp fiction and spaghetti western films are accurate depictions of real life firefights?[/QUOTE]
well yes if what happen in the article is accurate.
[QUOTE=Perrine;51309503]or maybe the robber would have tried to kill them the second they walked into the room he was in
like that
[editline]4th November 2016[/editline]
Aren't you the guy who thinks pulp fiction and spaghetti western films are accurate depictions of real life firefights?[/QUOTE]
So then stay the fuck back and call the cops. At this point they already knew this guy was there illegally, so call the cops and fall back and not risk getting your face shot off.
But no, they had to go towards the home intruder who could have been armed and dangerous, and why, exactly?
Literally this story could just as easily have ended with the father dead and the teen without a dad, and the burglar potentially getting away scot-free. What possible justification is there for actively moving towards an intruder.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309538]Literally this story could just as easily have ended with the father dead and the teen without a dad, and the burglar potentially getting away scot-free. What possible justification is there for actively moving towards an intruder.[/QUOTE]
to shoot him
pay attention
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309469]But again, boom stick.[/QUOTE]
And please don't be such a prick about the subject, believe it or not not everyone who has a gun for home defense is a rabid backwoods bloodthirsty animal. I have a wife and two young children and live in an area with a very serious meth problem, if someone high out of their mind breaks into my house, no amount or reasoning is going to stop them from doing whatever they're going to do.
let's try this
there is a firearm on my workbench right now which will soon be 102 years old
it has survived two world wars and is a great example of late industrial era engineering
it is of a very rare type and itself is rarer still among those because it is one of a very small batch made to demonstrate the model to the prussian navy
the historic value of this weapon is considerable as its wide-scale adoption in 1915 might have changed the outcome of a world war, not to mention it's been around for 102 years
you want me, as a historian, to throw this gun into a smelter? are you going to reimburse me for the value? because there is no currency for historic value
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309538]So then stay the fuck back and call the cops. At this point they already knew this guy was there illegally, so call the cops and fall back and not risk getting your face shot off.
But no, they had to go towards the home intruder who could have been armed and dangerous, and why, exactly?
Literally this story could just as easily have ended with the father dead and the teen without a dad, and the burglar potentially getting away scot-free. What possible justification is there for actively moving towards an intruder.[/QUOTE]
It's very obvious you or anyone you know hasn't experienced a home invasion first hand.
"Boomstick" or no fucking "boomstick" what are you going to do when he rushes you with a knife? Just stand there and take it because you don't want to disfigure such a wonderful person?
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51309525]It's right there, are you blind?[/QUOTE]
Y'know it isn't like in the movies where they say "no witnesses", and then kill a family over a flatscreen TV? Also I bet that this story is at least a bit biased towards the family. You're acting like the robber was going to shoot whoever opened that door regardless. What is far more likely is that they told him that they had a gun or heard the shotgun being loaded.
That said, the issue here isn't gun laws. Its poverty, lack of a mental health system, etc. We should strive towards fixing those problems instead of trying to treat the symptoms by taking away freedoms.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51309530]i'm so tired of these empty emotional appeals
they are always totally off base
it's not my fault if cletus two towns over puts a hole in his foot because he's an irresponsible dipshit
it's really easy for people who don't have something to go "Well why don't you just get rid of it :downs:"[/QUOTE]
So what if it's not your fault?
100 000 people a year are negatively affected by guns, and maybe 10 000 are positively affected by them in the "i shot a burglar" sense (out of which most confrontations without guns would end in "he stole some shit and we got it back later also he was caught". Every other justification is just as 'empty' an emotional appeal.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309566]So what if it's not your fault?
100 000 people a year are negatively affected by guns, and maybe 10 000 are positively affected by them in the "i shot a burglar" sense. Every other justification is just as 'empty' an emotional appeal.[/QUOTE]
oh well? my guns aren't negatively affecting anyone
when my 10 rifles and 3 handguns jump out of the gun cabinet and march off to the orphanage on their own to murder some innocents i'll join the brady campaign
until then nah
find a better solution, lmao
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51309569]oh well? my guns aren't negatively affecting anyone[/QUOTE]
So a lack of empathy for others and "i want my guns" is your end-all argument for guns?
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309584]So a lack of empathy for others and "i want my guns" is your end-all argument for guns?[/QUOTE]
sure, if you want to boil it down to that so you can stroke yourself about what an epic victory you made over some backwoods hick
actually it's that in the 21st century we don't punish the majority for the mistakes of the minority
i am responsible and most of my guns are historic
i don't see why i should quite literally pay the price for someone else's lack of restraint
i'm empathetic to victims of moron drivers, that doesn't mean i'm going to dump my benz off at the junkyard lol
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309584]So a lack of empathy for others and "i want my guns" is your end-all argument for guns?[/QUOTE]What about false empathy? A lack of understanding and cherry-picked statistics while parading as the ultimate moralist?
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309566]So what if it's not your fault?
100 000 people a year are negatively affected by guns, and maybe 10 000[B] are positively affected by them in the "i shot a burglar" sense[/B] (out of which most confrontations without guns would end in "he stole some shit and we got it back later also he was caught". Every other justification is just as 'empty' an emotional appeal.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but this is loaded as fuck. There's also some stupidly large number of people, in the tens of millions, who are "positively affected" by guns in the "I went to a shooting range" sense. You can't just dismiss that because you deem their hobby unimportant.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;51309564][B]Y'know it isn't like in the movies where they say "no witnesses", and then kill a family over a flatscreen TV?[/B] Also I bet that this story is at least a bit biased towards the family. You're acting like the robber was going to shoot whoever opened that door regardless. What is far more likely is that they told him that they had a gun or heard the shotgun being loaded.
That said, the issue here isn't gun laws. Its poverty, lack of a mental health system, etc. We should strive towards fixing those problems instead of trying to treat the symptoms by taking away freedoms.[/QUOTE]
You are seriously wrong here. Killing potential witnesses is burglar/criminal protocol 101 in many circumstances. The way you think about morality and consequences is not how these people think about them.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51309577]How about this
If you don't want guns you don't need to buy one
If someone feels like they need something to defend themselves with it's none of your business[/QUOTE]
Obviously it's none of my business lmao?
Sorta kinda voicing your opinion, discussing and spreading news is the point of a forum.
The people who accidentally shoot their feet off or kill a family member also 'feel' like they need something to defend themselves with.
If my country had a right to bear arms as easy as and a gun problem as big as America's, then you're damn right I'd give up that right. I don't trust my fellow Estonian with guns, and Estonia is on average better educated than America, so that's saying something.
well i'm sorry you're so incredibly paranoid but i feel 100% safe in my town which is chock full of guns and people who carry guns
your paranoia isn't my problem
i also liked how you totally skipped my historic argument
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309611]I don't trust my fellow Estonian with guns, and Estonia is on average better educated than America, so that's saying something.[/QUOTE]Holy shit, this must be preserved.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51309592]What about false empathy? A lack of understanding and cherry-picked statistics while parading as the ultimate moralist?[/QUOTE]
What exactly did I cherry pick?
There ARE 70 000+ gun related injuries and 20 000+ gun related deaths a year in the US.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51309588]sure, if you want to boil it down to that so you can stroke yourself about what an epic victory you made over some backwoods hick
actually it's that in the 21st century we don't punish the majority for the mistakes of the minority
i am responsible and most of my guns are historic
i don't see why i should quite literally pay the price for someone else's lack of restraint
i'm empathetic to victims of moron drivers, that doesn't mean i'm going to dump my benz off at the junkyard lol[/QUOTE]
You can use your benz for more than admiring it and driving it around a racetrack.
[editline]4th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51309621]Holy shit, this must be preserved.[/QUOTE]
It's also true.
Like, it actually is a fucking "dumb hicks" argument.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309625]What exactly did I cherry pick?
There ARE 70 000+ gun related injuries and 20 000+ gun related deaths a year in the US.[/QUOTE]Are those the only injuries and deaths? Only uses for firearms? Is that the majority of owned firearms? Do you understand statistics even slightly?
my 1971 benz is a classic car it's not really a daily driver
i can rely on it to look pretty and have a cool sense of history about it, not much else
someone could jump in it and run over a bunch of people though i guess i better crush it with my buddy's sherman to get this menace off the streets
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309584]So a lack of empathy for others and "i want my guns" is your end-all argument for guns?[/QUOTE]
Your end-all argument against guns is that there are scary statistics that coincide with your biases against them. There are scarier statistics if you look at the injuries and fatalities from motor vehicles and machinery being misused in the past year. The gun is a tool and tools can be misused regardless of intent.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51309608]You are seriously wrong here. Killing potential witnesses is burglar/criminal protocol 101 in many circumstances. The way you think about morality and consequences is not how these people think about them.[/QUOTE]
Source?
[QUOTE=Psychopath12;51309641]Your end-all argument against guns is that there are scary statistics that coincide with your biases against them. There are scarier statistics if you look at the injuries and fatalities from motor vehicles and machinery being misused in the past year. The gun is a tool and tools can be misused regardless of intent.[/QUOTE]
no it's different because motor vehicles and machinery have alternate applications that he considers valid
guns do not have recreational purposes they are only for killing
shooting ranges are a conspiracy created by donald trump to oppress women
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51309617]well i'm sorry you're so incredibly paranoid but i feel 100% safe in my town which is chock full of guns and people who carry guns
your paranoia isn't my problem
i also liked how you totally skipped my historic argument[/QUOTE]
What historic argument?
You do punish your majority for the actions of a minority, check out your patriot act or the TSA, heck one of your current presidential candidates has built his campaign on punishing well over a billion people for the actions of radicalized extremists.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309645]What historic argument?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51309561]let's try this
there is a firearm on my workbench right now which will soon be 102 years old
it has survived two world wars and is a great example of late industrial era engineering
it is of a very rare type and itself is rarer still among those because it is one of a very small batch made to demonstrate the model to the prussian navy
the historic value of this weapon is considerable as its wide-scale adoption in 1915 might have changed the outcome of a world war, not to mention it's been around for 102 years
you want me, as a historian, to throw this gun into a smelter? are you going to reimburse me for the value? because there is no currency for historic value[/QUOTE]
as for this
[quote]You do punish your majority for the actions of a minority, check out your patriot act or the TSA, heck one of your current presidential candidates has built his campaign on punishing well over a billion people for the actions of radicalized extremists.[/quote]
fuck donald trump. he's not my candidate and fuck the patriot act and the TSA too
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309395]There's a reason why these stories are in the news.
It's because they rarely happen.
What you don't have in the news is the tens of thousands of accidental(and intentional) gun deaths and injuries you have every year.
But hey, all those deaths are worth it if you get to keep your boom stick for whatever reason and for the one family a month that shoots and permanently disfigures an intruder who could be rehabilitated and become a functional member of society.[/QUOTE]
Kid, come on you have to be sarcastic, right? Burglaries usually don't involve the burglar stealing the shit and leaving when caught, it more likely ends with an attack on the homeowner.
Also, Accidental gun deaths? who gives a shit about that, honestly? When you fuck up and kill yourself, it shouldnt make guns look 'so scary oh no guns can go off at any moment be scared!1!1!!'
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51309625]What exactly did I cherry pick?
There ARE 70 000+ gun related injuries and 20 000+ gun related deaths a year in the US.
You can use your benz for more than admiring it and driving it around a racetrack.
[editline]4th November 2016[/editline]
It's also true.[/QUOTE]
America's education system is worse than Estonia's, therefore I'm smarter than Americans.
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