Idaho teen shoots burglar during home invasion, gunfight
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[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51310291]Im sorry we dont say "good riddance" when a criminal is killed over here and acknowledge he is a human too
I am sorry we dont say "dumb games, dumb prizes" when a criminal gets killed and instead strive to place the punishment of a crime within the frame set by the criminal code[/QUOTE]
Break out your binoculars, you may have a hard time reading this post from all the way up there on your high horse. Maybe a new person in this thread can get this across. This man broke into their house and then repeatedly shot at them when he saw them. They defended themselve appropriately. Now, let's put this a bit differently. Burglar breaks in, shoots at them, kills them both, gets away scott free before the police arrive probably some 20 minutes after their neighbor calls. Now you have two dead, innocent people and a criminal running free because, hey, they should have just called the police, right?
Like, it boggles my mind here that so few of you get this, it's one dead dumbass criminal versus a dead guy and a dead child. Anywhere in the world would rather that father and son be fine than the armed criminal that could have killed them. It's less of a savage bloodlust like what you seem to think it is, it's a "thank god that jackass is dead and the two innocent civvies are fine because they could properly defend themselves."
Also wasn't EcksDee the guy in the last big LOL MERICANS AND THEIR GUNS thread like this that said that in an event like this, they should leave their property and call the police? Or was that someone else?
[QUOTE=RB33;51310338]The real question, you should ask yourself is why it is mostly just Americans who tries to justifies all these break in scenarios.
You're paranoid for thinking that he IS going to harm you, not that he might harm you. Everyone would admit that harm is a possibilty but how likely it would be is another thing. But mostly, I said that because of try to kill the intruder, instead of trying to deescalate the situation.[/QUOTE]
So you are telling me he brought a gun just for to no reason?
If I wake up to some stranger in my house holding a fucking weapon I am not fucking paranoid for expecting harm upon me.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51310368]Criminals punishment is determined by the courts. Are we all forgetting that justice system exists?
Criminal goes to prison, if preventing robbery is through killing a person then it is not okay by my standards personally, if you have a lower regard for human life it might be okay of course.[/QUOTE]
The justice system doesn't exist when it's 2 AM and you hear that window break. They can't help you if he's a no witnesses type. In that moment, you are your own lifeline. Defend yourself.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51310368]Criminals punishment is determined by the courts. Are we all forgetting that justice system exists?
Criminal goes to prison, if preventing robbery is through killing a person then it is not okay by my standards personally, if you have a lower regard for human life it might be okay of course.[/QUOTE]
No I am not forgetting that, however the person was in their home and shot at them first. The criminal is in the wrong in that situation. If they shot at him first then they would be in the wrong.
I don't have a lower regard for human life, I respect all human life equally. I am just saying that the criminal chose to break into their home and then chose to shoot at them and thus was answered in turn.
Wow lol looking at these past few posts you probably can't be reasoned with, your reactions are literally "no, YOU'RE dumb" and "i'm better than you."
Like. Fuck dude. It's not that i hold their life below mine, i just really fucking like my life and the life of my child.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51310381]The thing is, I would rather part with a 10,000 dollar motorcycle than part with my wife. Or my child. That seems kind of difficult to understand, I know, but bare with me.
If I increase my odds of survival (and that of my family) by directly avoiding contact with the intruder by any means possible, then I'll fucking avoid contact (because staying out of gunfights means more odds of survival!). Knowing he will probably steal my 20,000 dollar car. My 10,000 bike. Or the fact that I'll have to deal with the insurance later on. I don't care, I'd rather not get a dead body in the middle of my living room or worse, some stray bullet to hit my loved ones or myself because I decided to play the fucking hero and get fucking killed.
That seems rather difficult to wrap your head around. I must be a pansy for valuing life over 20,000 dollar cars.[/QUOTE]
I would rather part with a criminal who's broken into my home with unknown intentions than with my wife, child or $10,000 motorcycle. That's why I have a twelve gauge.
[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;51310336]Because they've never bought a house before, then proceeded to spend $13,000 on furniture and appliances, put all of their lives belongings inside of it, and parked their $20,000 car and $10,000 motorcycle in the garage. [I]Or dealt with insurance companies[/I].[/QUOTE]
Wait so you're literally just talking about money? I thought the idea here was using weapons for self-defense, but the actual reason you're defending killing a robber is [I]so he can't steal your fucking TV?[/I]
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51310305]Whoa buddy, you sure are great at convincing people by dismissing them as delusional and saying you're done with them.
If you're not willing to engage with others further then simply stop posting.[/QUOTE]
Seems kinda pointless to engage you given your total lack of reasonability and flagrant xenophobia. Like what's the point you're just going to equate me to a psychotic murderer because you lack a better argument and the patience/consideration to hear what anyone with an opposing view has to say.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51310311]I'm sorry, but pointing out posters who enjoy the idea of the dude's guts being shredded is being a dick? I don't follow.[/QUOTE]
Oh see I read that as him saying all gun owners are rabid bloodthirsty animals since he was trying to quip me on me saying that he said exactly that.
Maybe I was mistaken.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51310349]Knowing USA it is really likely he himself thought the homeowner would shoot him on sight.
Paranoia probably goes both ways.[/QUOTE]
Gee if he thought that and went ahead to attempt rob the house anyways with his own gun then it seemsto me he have no problems killing people for "just stuff lol".
Hey aint you the guy that said i was a crazy paranoid gun nut for thinking an armed intruder might cause harm upon me? You are not doing a good job proving your point. You are doing well proving mines tho, thanks.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51310394]The romance, oh my god. In that situation, [I]of course[/I]. But apparently they were outside the damn house.
If you are outside and suspicious activity is taking place, call the police, justice system will exist tomorrow and meanwhile you can call the insurance company.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but what you aren't getting behind your walls and walls of superiority complex is that he shot six rounds at them. They could very well have not existed to call the police tomorrow. And even if they had, chances are they wouldn't catch the guy with that much head start.
If the burglar kicks in my door and has no arms and a big flashing sign hanging from his neck that's been notarized that says "yo i'm just taking your bike brah" then yeah take the bike dude I don't need to shoot anyone over that and besides you have no arms you can't even ride a bike. But nobody's clairvoyant, and door-kickers don't declare their intent, and honestly, even if they did, I wouldn't be terribly inclined to take their word for it. I'm just not going to risk it and I don't know why anyone would. It's a huge gamble.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51310389]Wait so you're literally just talking about money? I thought the idea here was using weapons for self-defense, but the actual reason you're defending killing a robber is [I]so he can't steal your fucking TV?[/I][/QUOTE]
I'm literally talking about having a firearm in my house, for use in the case of somebody breaking into my house, pointing it at them to get out, and if they decide to stick around and/or do anything threatening, I then come to the conclusion that I as well as the residents in my home are now at risk and I will open fire at them. But go on about how this translates to killing someone in cold blood.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51310410]Reexamine your position.[/QUOTE]
I re-examined it the day I brought that gun to bear on someone who walked through my front door and decided I made the right choice. He spooked and ran back out. Would I have shot him? Can't say. Would he have been bolder if he didn't have a gun pointed at him? Don't wanna know.
[QUOTE=GammaFive;51309482]Rehabilitation for someone who commits petty crimes is one thing, but this was an armed home invasion.[/QUOTE]
it's not like he's a mentally ill psycho with an uncontrollable bloodlust (as far as i know, at least). more likely, he saw what he believed to be an opportunity to rob someone and probably panicked once he saw the shotgun.
of course this guy's still an asshole but that's besides the point.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51310374]So you are telling me he brought a gun just for to no reason?[/QUOTE]
He probably has a gun for the same reason the homeowner has one, like I said in my earlier post.
[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;51310411]I'm literally talking about having a firearm in my house, for use in the case of somebody breaking into my house, pointing it at them to get out, and if they decide to stick around and/or do anything threatening, I then come to the conclusion that I as well as the residents in my home are now at risk and I will open fire at them. But go on about how this translates to killing someone in cold blood.[/QUOTE]
So you'll risk your own life to protect your shit instead of staying out of harm's way and calling the cops?
Explain to me again how paying for your furniture, home and car relate to self-defense with a weapon?
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51310381]The thing is, I would rather part with a 10,000 dollar motorcycle than part with my wife. Or my child. That seems kind of difficult to understand, I know, but bare with me.
If I increase my odds of survival (and that of my family) by directly avoiding contact with the intruder by any means possible, then I'll fucking avoid contact (because staying out of gunfights means more odds of survival!). Knowing he will probably steal my 20,000 dollar car. My 10,000 bike. Or the fact that I'll have to deal with the insurance later on. I don't care, I'd rather not get a dead body in the middle of my living room or worse, some stray bullet to hit my loved ones or myself because I decided to play the fucking hero and get fucking killed.
That seems rather difficult to wrap your head around. I must be a pansy for valuing life over 20,000 dollar cars.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=_Axel;51310427]So you'll risk your own life to protect your shit instead of staying out of harm's way and calling the cops?[/QUOTE]
It is difficult to wrap your head around a situation like this until you yourself are responsible for your own life, the loved ones living in your house, as well as everything you've worked for. But I'd rather not deal with statistics and odds when somebody kicks down my bedroom door in the middle of the night. The odds are that this complete stranger "statistically" is here to steal my shit. I'll "probably" be able to go to my phone and the cops will "most likely" make it to my house in ten minutes. I "hopefully" won't be fucking dead.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51310417]"My superiority complex" Can you stop with this? I see now why a gun debate is so hated here, the toxicity.
He sees the man. He goes in after him.
After this point he shot 6 rounds. If you dont see how this was preventable and how he could very well exist to call the police, then I dont know what to say.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, stop what? Reciprocating the attitude you've been giving yourself? If you don't like it, cool it yourself. Also the victim blaming, christ. The burglar could have just, y'know, NOT shot at them and just accepted being arrested. But he didn't. And he payed the price for attempted murder.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51310374]So you are telling me he brought a gun just for to no reason?
If I wake up to some stranger in my house holding a fucking weapon I am not fucking paranoid for expecting harm upon me.[/QUOTE]
Well, he's probably carrying it, because he knows you might have a gun as well, so he want to defend himself from the homeowner. That's how it goes when everyone gets a gun.
[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;51310411]I'm literally talking about having a firearm in my house, for use in the case of somebody breaking into my house, pointing it at them to get out, and if they decide to stick around and/or do anything threatening, I then come to the conclusion that I as well as the residents in my home are now at risk and I will open fire at them. But go on about how this translates to killing someone in cold blood.[/QUOTE]
Because all the home invader wanted to do is try to rob you. Or kill you. Or brutally gangrape all the females in your family as a gang initiation. You wont really know since unlike our european friends here us americans cant see the future or read minds.
You are completely crazy for trying to prevent that from happening. You should just sit down like a good little boy and hope the home invader is fucking mr. Rogers trying to steal your coffee maker and not some violent thug.
Also dont you dare try to save your own life when that guy starts SHOOTING at you. That is just bonkers.
[QUOTE=RB33;51310437]Well, he's probably carrying it, because he knows you might have a gun as well, so he want to defend himself from the homeowner. That's how it goes when everyone gets a gun.[/QUOTE]
He shouldn't have broken into the house to HAVE to defend himself in the first place.
[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;51310430]It is difficult to wrap your head around a situation like this until you yourself are responsible for your own life, the loved ones living in your house, as well as everything you've worked for. But I'd rather not deal with statistics and odds when somebody kicks down my bedroom door in the middle of the night.[/QUOTE]
How the fuck is [B]this:[/B]
[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;51310336]Because they've never bought a house before, then proceeded to spend $13,000 on furniture and appliances, put all of their lives belongings inside of it, and parked their $20,000 car and $10,000 motorcycle in the garage. [I]Or dealt with insurance companies[/I].[/QUOTE]
In any way related to protecting your own life or your loved ones?
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51310417]"My superiority complex" Can you stop with this? I see now why a gun debate is so hated here, the toxicity.
He sees the man. He goes in after him.
After this point he shot 6 rounds. If you dont see how this was preventable and how he could very well exist to call the police, then I dont know what to say.[/QUOTE]
Well to be fair, it's pretty toxic on both sides.
And like I was saying, it is their home. They should be allowed to investigate their own home.
It could have been better if they did stay outside and called the police, but they didn't ask to get shot at. Hindsight is always 20/20 as the saying goes
You lost. Have a good one.
Also you're all kinda making the assumption that this child holding the gun just had this total bloodlust and wanted to sacrifice this poor criminal to Satan, he was a child that reacted when he was shot at first, i'm sure they both would have loved resolving this all peacefully.
If you break into my house you're going to have a gun pointed at you regardless of your intent. What happens after that is up to you.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51310452]All right. If it is a criminal you are confronting you cant make any mistakes and any way you approach it is the best, since you are the victim and you arent accountable for anything, anyone who criticizes you is wrong and is only thinking that way because of a superiority complex. Because someone shot at you, it means you have approached the situatuion the best way possible, and saying there could be no gunfight at all is victim blaming.
Me and my superiority complex are going to sleep now, have a good night (afternoon? morning?) fellas.[/QUOTE]
LMAO bye, remember to lock your doors and keep your phone under your pillow friendo.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51310417]
After this point he shot 6 rounds. If you dont see how this was preventable and how he could very well exist to call the police, then I dont know what to say.[/QUOTE]
Maybe by not breaking into a house?
[QUOTE=_Axel;51310447]How the fuck is [B]this:[/B]
In any way related to protecting your own life or your loved ones?[/QUOTE]
Because I will defend my loved ones (at the moment in my house, friends primarily) and I will defend everything that I've worked for in my life [B]equally[/B]. I will tell you what, if you personally come break into my house you can have everything you want. Fuck my gf even. I'll be chilling by the telephone.
a gun debate? in my "guy tries to murder but gets shot in self defence" thread in SH? i would never have guessed
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