Blizzard is Suing Valve - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BudakCiner;34631125]Blizzard might as well go sue the developers of HoN and LoL because they're based off DoTA.[/QUOTE] They're not the same game, they're the same genre.

[QUOTE=BudakCiner;34631125]Blizzard might as well go sue the developers of HoN and LoL because they're based off DoTA.[/QUOTE] They're suing over the name. Read the article before posting. And it's DotA.

Activision is behind it all. They are forcing Blizzard to take Valve to court! Seriously though, Blizzard let the opportunity slip through their fingers and Valve snatched it up.

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;34631141]They're suing over the name. Read the article before posting. And it's DotA.[/QUOTE] A name they don't own. They say they are suing since they use it to describe things, they also use the word the, so, I am suing them for using the.

When I first entered this thread, I was expecting Blizzard to be randomly attacking Valve over dumb things like all the Apple vs everyone lawsuits... then I saw this [quote]In 2010, Valve - who is working on a successor to the original called DOTA 2 - began attempts to trademark the word "DOTA", despite the fact it had no historical connection to the property or the genre.[/quote] Really, I find this pretty justified by Blizzard really. Valve did not invent that term, and it has been a very attractive third party mod in their game for years.

I agree with Blizzard on this, I don't think anyone should be able to trademark DotA. It's been worked on by so many people and it's essentially become the name of a genre. Valve has Dota 2, the only reason they would trademark "DotA" is to stop other people from making Dota games.

[QUOTE=froztshock;34631092]What I don't understand is why blizzard would wait this long to start disputing copyright over it. I mean it's kind of a dick move to say nothing for, how long has it been since DOTA2 has been announced? More than a year? You'd think that this is the kind of shit that should be gotten out of the way before the other company is nearly finished spending valuable time and resources to create the new game.[/QUOTE]To try to create hype for their version of the game while simultaneously cutting in to Valve's money. Basically, if they wait until almost the end of the development period, then they will be costing Valve the most money. So much has already gone in to the development of the game, and little more will be spent. It's close to the time when they will be actually profiting off the game. At worst for Blizzard, Valve has to hold off on release until the suit ends, preventing them from earning anything off of it until then. At best for Blizzard, Valve completely loses the rights to it and is forced to pay Blizzard for the rights to the name or forced to change the name and potentially any other possibly infringing material at Blizzard's discretion or (depending on what exactly Blizzard pushes for and how hard they push) they may have to cancel it, although that is very unlikely.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;34630947]Icefrog has the rights to the game and went with valve, it's a pretty clear case. Yeah people associate DotA with Warcraft III but that's clearly not where Icefrog wanted to go.[/QUOTE] Wait, so even the original devs say it's OK for Valve to do this? This kinda feels like Microsoft (or apple) suing for the release of some awesome program because it was developed on their OS using their programming tools.

Both the people who made DOTA big are working on Valve, Eul and Icefrog. Why the hell Blizzard should win? That is a retarded thing to say, Blizzard did NOT made the mod, just the engine it was made in. They do not OWN the mod. If you say that, then every single game that has came out of a MOD belongs to the company that made the engine it was first made in.

[QUOTE=Simski;34631164]When I first entered this thread, I was expecting Blizzard to be randomly attacking Valve over dumb things like all the Apple vs everyone lawsuits... then I saw this Really, I find this pretty justified by Blizzard really. Valve did not invent that term, and it has been a very attractive third party mod in their game for years.[/QUOTE] Team Fortress is a fucking quake mod, So Team Fortress 2 is now belong to ID. See the logic in that? no?

[QUOTE=Simski;34631164]When I first entered this thread, I was expecting Blizzard to be randomly attacking Valve over dumb things like all the Apple vs everyone lawsuits... then I saw this Really, I find this pretty justified by Blizzard really. Valve did not invent that term, and it has been a very attractive third party mod in their game for years.[/QUOTE]Blizzard has no more claim than Valve, however. They were not responsible for the creation of DOTA. They have no claim to it. Valve actually does have a claim since Icefrog works for them now. I went over all of this on the previous page.

[QUOTE=Glent;34631169]I agree with Blizzard on this, I don't think anyone should be able to trademark DotA. It's been worked on by so many people and it's essentially become the name of a genre. Valve has Dota 2, the only reason they would trademark "DotA" is to stop other people from making Dota games.[/QUOTE] Dota is owned by Icefrog, if he wants Valve to own it, Valve owns it.

[QUOTE=MIPS;34631172]Wait, so even the original devs say it's OK for Valve to do this? This kinda feels like Microsoft (or apple) suing for the release of some awesome program because it was developed on their OS using their programming tools.[/QUOTE]The original developer works for Valve now.

[QUOTE=STeel;34631097]For starters they did say it before that they don't like Valve using the name DOTA, and they may have sent more messages to Valve that didn't make it to the press[/QUOTE] DOTA 1 was made in 2003. DOTA 2 was announced in 2010. If blizzard doesn't like that Valve copyrighted and developed the sequel to a mod fans have been asking Blizzard for, they should have gotten their shit together during that seven-years gap and grab the copyright plus the devs first. It's not like there was an incredibly short time between the two games and it's not like Valve used some sort of trickery to get what they wanted, they just listened to the fans, and they did what the fans asked for, while Blizzard was just sitting on their asses.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;34631030]its a touchy subject because dota has always been associated with blizzard's warcraft title but in the end, the title is property of IceFrog for one, and now that he's working at valve and valve is making "DOTA 2" commercially, i don't think there's any questioning who deserves the trademark here[/QUOTE] I guess that changes it though, if they have the original creators.

[QUOTE=Santz;34631174]Both the people who made DOTA big are working on Valve, Eul and Icefrog. Why the hell Blizzard should win? That is a retarded thing to say, Blizzard did NOT made the mod, just the engine it was made in. They do not OWN the mod. If you say that, then every single game that has came out of a MOD belongs to the company that made the engine it was first made in.[/QUOTE] Dota has been worked on alot more people than Eul or Icefrog, even if they are the most popular. [editline]10th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;34631181]Dota is owned by Icefrog, if he wants Valve to own it, Valve owns it.[/QUOTE] Icefrog doesn't own Dota or they wouldn't apply for ownership, he is the latest developer in a long line of them.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;34631175]Team Fortress is a fucking quake mod, So Team Fortress 2 is now belong to ID. See the logic in that? no?[/QUOTE] That is a terrible comparison.

[QUOTE=Simski;34631199]That is a terrible comparison.[/QUOTE] Ugh no, Valve has 'Team Fortress' trademarked too

[QUOTE=STeel;34631097] For starters they did say it before that they don't like Valve using the name DOTA, and they may have sent more messages to Valve that didn't make it to the press[/QUOTE] Hmm, fair enough. [QUOTE=Simski;34631164]When I first entered this thread, I was expecting Blizzard to be randomly attacking Valve over dumb things like all the Apple vs everyone lawsuits... then I saw this Really, I find this pretty justified by Blizzard really. Valve did not invent that term, and it has been a very attractive third party mod in their game for years.[/QUOTE] Only doesn't Icefrog own the title anyways? If Icefrog is working with valve of their own will then what claim does blizzard have to it?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34631187]DOTA 1 was made in 2003. DOTA 2 was announced in 2010. If blizzard doesn't like that Valve copyrighted and developed the sequel to a mod fans have been asking Blizzard for, they should have gotten their shit together during that seven-years gap and grab the copyright plus the devs first. It's not like there was an incredibly short time between the two games and it's not like Valve used some sort of trickery to get what they wanted, they just listened to the fans, and they did what the fans asked for, while Blizzard was just sitting on their asses.[/QUOTE] Blizzard doesn't want to copyright DotA, they want nobody to have copyright over DotA. As I understand it.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;34631181]Dota is owned by Icefrog[/QUOTE]How is this true in any sense? Icefrog did not create the original DotA map (Eul and Guinsoo are some of the names involved prior to his involvement) and he does not hold any copyright or trademark over the name "DotA".

This thread is moving too fast. People apparently see my first post but not my second.

[QUOTE=Santz;34631174]Both the people who made DOTA big are working on Valve, Eul and Icefrog. Why the hell Blizzard should win? That is a retarded thing to say, Blizzard did NOT made the mod, just the engine it was made in. They do not OWN the mod. If you say that, then every single game that has came out of a MOD belongs to the company that made the engine it was first made in.[/QUOTE]I didn't know Eul was working for valve, I thought he just disappeared. If that's the case they shouldn't have a problem winning this.

[QUOTE=Glent;34631214]Blizzard doesn't want to copyright DotA, they want nobody to have copyright over DotA. As I understand it.[/QUOTE] I don't want somethings copyrighted too, does that mean I can sue a company which is trying to copyright something that i don't want copyrighted?

[QUOTE=Glent;34631194]Dota has been worked on alot more people than Eul or Icefrog, even if they are the most popular. [editline]10th February 2012[/editline] Icefrog doesn't own Dota or they wouldn't apply for ownership, he is the latest developer in a long line of them.[/QUOTE] Eul made DOTA, he created it. He was the first owner and Icefrog the latest. The other developers abandoned the game and made their own(LoL and HoN).

why do you guys have to pick sides on this issue exactly? i mean i know it's a forum and shit, but aren't you basically just picking which company you like the most and declaring they should win? that's not how civil law works.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;34631228]I don't want somethings copyrighted too, does that mean I can sue a company which is trying to copyright something that i don't want copyrighted?[/QUOTE]Not unless the suit was trying to argue that it was public domain. But Blizzard does want the claim so that they can have Blizzard DOTA.

DOTA is a name of a genre of games. It is like Valve trying to copyright or trademark 'First Person Shooter' or 'Strategy' or a movie studio doing the same for 'Action' or 'Drama'.

[QUOTE=mcattack1092;34631236]DOTA is a name of a genre of games. It is like Valve trying to copyright or trademark 'First Person Shooter' or 'Strategy' or a movie studio doing the same for 'Action' or 'Drama'.[/QUOTE]DOTA isn't a genre...

[QUOTE=Marphy Black;34631220]How is this true in any sense? Icefrog did not create the original DotA map (Eul and Guinsoo are some of the names involved prior to his involvement) and he does not hold any copyright or trademark over the name "DotA".[/QUOTE] I don't think he needs to be the creator of the game to have ownership of it.