Blizzard is Suing Valve - Polidicks

[QUOTE=dark soul;34631348]Oh you mean like now Valve trademarked TF2 even though the original TF was a Quake mod? I'm fairly sure Valve bought the rights from the original DOTA creator, much like they did with Team Fortress.[/QUOTE] Nobody had dota trademarked when Valve went for it, that's why there's controversy

i hope blizzard win

[QUOTE=Glent;34631387] (Article Quote)[/QUOTE] No, they tried to trademark Defense of the Ancients at first, but instead trademarked Dota. And you said [U]now[/U] they're trying to trademark Defense of the Ancients, but what you quoted said they did this in 2010.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34631406]Nobody had dota trademarked when Valve went for it, that's why there's controversy[/QUOTE] Pretty sure nobody had TF trademarked when Valve went for it either

Uh, the way I see it is that Blizzard started making Blizzard DOTA after Valve announced and started making DOTA2, thus it should be Valve taking Blizzard to court. But overlord Newell knows it's best not to bother with such petty human matters.

[QUOTE=Glent;34631352]Eul never claimed DotA rights as far as I'm aware.[/QUOTE] EXACTLY! Nobody claimed rights for the game until now. Blizzard ignored the mod completely until they see now that its profitable, coming with a ridicule excuse to avoid VALVe from copyrighting it. If you ask me, DOTA should go to VALVe, not only because both the creator of the game and the man who stood by the game for years (And still updates the W3 version) but because they are pulling out a great game and in no way, had intentions of fucking over Blizzard(While Blizzard DO want to fuck over VALVe). But of course, like some people already said, maybe the W3 editor has some sort of EULA that would make everything made in it owned by Blizzard so technically they do have the right to own it even if its not cool.

[QUOTE=V12US;34631401]True, but it's still an argument they could use. They provided they assets, meaning they in part have ownership. Law sucks. Valve should challenge Blizzard to a game of QuakeIII.[/QUOTE]No, Counter-Strike. [editline]10th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Santz;34631440]But of course, like some people already said, maybe the W3 editor has some sort of EULA that would make everything made in it owned by Blizzard so technically they do have the right to own it even if its not cool.[/QUOTE]As I said though, EULA are shaky at best in court cases. Basically they are next to impossible to have upheld in court. And in a case like this, it would be even harder.

[QUOTE=V12US;34631401]True, but it's still an argument they could use. They provided they assets, meaning they in part have ownership. Law sucks. Valve should challenge Blizzard to a game of QuakeIII.[/QUOTE] Or even better, a game of DotA.

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;34631450]Or even better, a game of DotA.[/QUOTE] Allstars or 2?

[QUOTE=Santz;34631440]EXACTLY! Nobody claimed rights for the game until now. Blizzard ignored the mod completely until they see now that its profitable, coming with a ridicule excuse to avoid VALVe from copyrighting it. If you ask me, DOTA should go to VALVe, not only because both the creator of the game and the man who stood by the game for years (And still updates the W3 version) but because they are pulling out a great game and in no way, had intentions of fucking over Blizzard(While Blizzard DO want to fuck over VALVe). But of course, like some people already said, maybe the W3 editor has some sort of EULA that would make everything made in it owned by Blizzard so technically they do have the right to own it even if its not cool.[/QUOTE] Actually, Blizzard promoted DotA alot. There were competitions for it and a DotA segment at their conventions. They didn't ignore it completely. [editline]10th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Banhfunbags;34631434]No, they tried to trademark Defense of the Ancients at first, but instead trademarked Dota. And you said [U]now[/U] they're trying to trademark Defense of the Ancients, but what you quoted said they did this in 2010.[/QUOTE] I was under the impression that Valve was trying to trademark "Dota 2" for their own game aswell as "DOTA" for the original game, but I could be wrong here. Either way I don't think they should be able to claim copyright over the first game and the term "DOTA"

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;34631450]Or even better, a game of DotA.[/QUOTE] I still think Counter-Strike would be better since it was a mod for a Valve game originally.

[QUOTE=Noth;34631451]Allstars or 2?[/QUOTE] That 'Dota Allstars' bullshit killed WC3.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34630860]I understand where Blizzard is coming from, it's kind of a dick move on Valve's part to go and trademark the name of a mod from someone else's game[/QUOTE]Dude who made later updates and pretty mcuh organized the mod team is also working on DOTA 2.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34631477]I still think Counter-Strike would be better since it was a mod for a Valve game originally.[/QUOTE] A game of DotA would make more sense. It's sort of what they're fighting over.

Valve can just name it Dota All Stars 2

DotA DID use assets from WC3, but that's only the platform it was on. Creators have full rights to it, and Icefrog got hired by Valve.

Reading blizzard's arguments. A lot of stupid shit, I must say, I thought legal actions of this level would have something much better. I realised they have nothing else to say. Basicly 'oh they used w3 shit in dota' arguments that mean nothing to valve since valve has none of the w3 file/assets. There were battle.net arguments too, saying that you can only play dota using battle.net, blizz's servers. The attorney forgot about the fucking LAN function which is used in the majority of clanwars/tourneys/gather sites like garena. [quote]First, since at least 2003, Blizzard has used the DOTA Marks extensively and consistently in interstate commerce. Blizzard has distributed in commerce products bearing the DOTA Marks, including the DotA Mods. For example, Blizzard has offered for download the DotA Mods directly via the Battle.net network and/or the Blizzard.com and/or Warcraft.com websites. Blizzard also has regularly and consistently advertised and promoted the DotA Mods via the Battle.net[/quote] I have never seen blizzard advertise dota apart from that semi-new video about "blizzard dota" in starcraft2. Am I the only one or am I fucking missing something? Also warcraft.com leads to a fucking wow page on battle.net for me. NOT ANYWHERE IN THE MENTIONED LOCATIONS CAN I FIND DOTA MENTIONED/PROMOTED AND BEING GIVEN FOR DOWNLOAD. Also does downloading maps in-game actually use battle.net servers? Doesn't it work like skype? One person sends another over a program, but doesn't use the provider's servers? Basicly torrent based system right? Or am I wrong?

Yeah, the version of Battle.net that WC3 uses has you download maps directly from the host (who, I might add, literally hosts the game). Blizzard's servers only exist to facilitate a connection between the two.

i thought valve trademarked "DOTA 2"

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;34630877]This, Valve should of been a tiny bit smarter[/QUOTE] Maybe they were but nobody knows

[QUOTE=Tosas;34631776]Reading blizzard's arguments. A lot of stupid shit, I must say, I thought legal actions of this level would have something much better. I realised they have nothing else to say. Basicly 'oh they used w3 shit in dota' arguments that mean nothing to valve since valve has none of the w3 file/assets. There were battle.net arguments too, saying that you can only play dota using battle.net, blizz's servers. The attorney forgot about the fucking LAN function which is used in the majority of clanwars/tourneys/gather sites like garena. I have never seen blizzard advertise dota apart from that semi-new video about "blizzard dota" in starcraft2. Am I the only one or am I fucking missing something? Also warcraft.com leads to a fucking wow page on battle.net for me. NOT ANYWHERE IN THE MENTIONED LOCATIONS CAN I FIND DOTA MENTIONED/PROMOTED AND BEING GIVEN FOR DOWNLOAD. Also does downloading maps in-game actually use battle.net servers? Doesn't it work like skype? One person sends another over a program, but doesn't use the provider's servers? Basicly torrent based system right? Or am I wrong?[/QUOTE] And even if Blizzard were to mention or endorse DOTA, that is all they are doing. They don't have any claim to it any more than I have claim to Team Fortress 2 or Skyrim because I recommend those to my friends.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34630860]I understand where Blizzard is coming from, it's kind of a dick move on Valve's part to go and trademark the name of a mod from someone else's game[/QUOTE] They don't own the right to the mod though, they didn't create it. All they did was make the game and map editor that people used to make the mod. It'd be just as stupid if Garry were to switch GMod over from Source to Unreal 3 (assuming he never signed up with Valve on that sweet deal, that is) and then Valve crying foul about it. Blizzard's just pissed that a HUGE community (and therefor cash cow) fucked off and went somewhere else.

Valve's response, which I have just read, was short and solid. Should be enough

Blizzard is really fucking stupid for not cashing in on DotA anyway. Seriously, DotA is the WoW of MOBAs.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;34631848]They don't own the right to the mod though, they didn't create it. All they did was make the game and map editor that people used to make the mod. It'd be just as stupid if Garry were to switch GMod over from Source to Unreal 3 (assuming he never signed up with Valve on that sweet deal, that is) and then Valve crying foul about it. Blizzard's just pissed that a HUGE community (and therefor cash cow) fucked off and went somewhere else.[/QUOTE] This man has presented a good example I would understand the majority of blizzard's complain if valve used w3 assets, but they didn't. They have their own assets and all that could've related dota2 to w3 was the text base part, as in names and character lore, which was changed. Damn you crownoffire, how dare you mergebreak

[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;34630984]I really don't know where I'm standing on this. DotA never would have existed if not for Blizzard. DotA never would have existed if not for Icefrog, who's taken their talents to Valve. The fuck do I think here?[/QUOTE] I'm sure that if WCIII didn't come to be, Icefrog (or whoever came up with it) might have made some variant of DoTA on some other engine.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;34631877]I'm sure that if WCIII didn't come to be, Icefrog might have made some variant of DoTA on some other engine.[/QUOTE]You mean Eul, he was the original creator.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;34631877]I'm sure that if WCIII didn't come to be, Icefrog (or whoever came up with it) might have made some variant of DoTA on some other engine.[/QUOTE] DotA was based on AOS or something from StarCraft anyway.

I thought Valve specifically decided to call it "Dota 2", using "Dota" as a word instead of an abbrevation to keep this from happening? Oh well.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34631060]If, for some reason, Icefrog were to separate from Valve, then there could be a legal fight there over who owns the rights to DOTA 2, since it was developed during their time with Valve. Unless Icefrog signed the rights over to Valve however, they'd still retain the rights to the original DOTA, which would give them a pretty strong case if they tried to claim ownership of DOTA 2.[/QUOTE] There usually is no debate in such things, that's usually set in contractual stone. When Westwood was dissolved from EA, they didn't own the rights to the Command&Conquer franchise, EA did, because EA said "Alrighty, this here prop'rty's mine, y'hear?" when Westwood got bought up by them. So when Valve brought them in one of two things happened: 1) Valve said "We own this now and forever" 2) Valve said "It's still your property, you can take it with you if/whenever you leave". [editline]10th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34631881]You mean Eul, he was the original creator.[/QUOTE] I never kept up much with DoTA in any form because of the difficulties involved in getting started. *Join server, download map-Nope, kicked* *download map off-site, join server* *start game, pick random character because I'm not sure who's worth a damn and there's so many choices* "OMG WUT N00B DAT CHAR SUXXZ0RZ" *ignore 'tard-speak, play anyway* "OMG WTF U SUK AT DIS U MAEK US LUZ" And thusly did I say "nope" to DoTA hence-forth.