Right wing extremists terrorize quarter in Leipzig, Germany - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49514188]Kristallnacht all over again yay[/QUOTE] No it's fucking not. Terrible comparison to make.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49514188]Kristallnacht all over again yay[/QUOTE] I don't really see hundreds of dead people that were driven to suicide nor assloads of (religious) buildings on fire like in the Kristallnacht. [QUOTE=Killuah;49514279]What?[/QUOTE] I think JgcxCub's post was meant to be sarcastic, still shitpost though.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49515292] When you make broad generalizations, that's when the Xenophobia starts.[/QUOTE] But you can't solve problem without generalization.

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49515190]What I fear is that anyone who dares bring a question about refugees or immigrants from Muslim country ( like they have to accept it 100% they can't ask to lower the number of refugees coming in even if there is legit reason like food or housing and that will make them be lambed racist etc ) that person will be lambed racist and wont at the very least listen to what they have to say. As well as that I believe German cops where raiding anti refugees people ( could be wrong about that ) To the point ( where some people feel ) to recanting to it like this being PC is doing the opposite in the long run Its MAKING people hate refugees and I dont want that either[/QUOTE] Germany has a long-standing issue with right- (and left-, but that's another matter) extremists. As a whole, most of the population [I]really[/I] doesn't like them which is in part why we even have left-wing outlets cautioning people not to go too far in excluding them. (This is about the violent and/or very nationalist ones only. Groups like the AfD are still mostly disliked but treated more normally.) That said, you can discuss refugee issues here no problem as long as you stay factual, and PC culture isn't really a thing in Germany either, if you compare it with English-speaking places. The raids were against people engaging in Volksverhetzung (the German term for a certain kind of illegal hate speech, officially translated as "incitement to hatred"), [URL="http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1241"]which is clearly defined and doesn't impact anyone's ability to make their opinion heard (short of calling for violence)[/URL]. [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Fourier;49516377]But you can't solve problem without generalization.[/QUOTE] You mean you can't solve any of it [I]with[/I] it, right? Politics aren't maths and, unlike numbers, people who may appear very similar at first glance often aren't. The amount of variables and variance are just way too high to completely linearly categorise any group of people larger than two. [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] That said, if by "generalisation" you mean an ethically data-driven and [I]relevantly[/I] egalitarian approach to governance then I'm all for it.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;49516413] You mean you can't solve any of it [I]with[/I] it, right? Politics aren't maths and, unlike numbers, people who may appear very similar at first glance often aren't. The amount of variables and variance are just way too high to completely linearly categorise any group of people larger than two. [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] That said, if by "generalisation" you mean an ethically data-driven and [I]relevantly[/I] egalitarian approach to governance then I'm all for it.[/QUOTE] You can't completely linearly categorize people mathematically, this is why generalization is needed. I mean, it's obvious - problems started to rise quite soon after 'refugees' started to flow in => therefore, they are cause of the problem. Yes, lots of refugees may suffer because of that generalization, but you must decide who suffers here .. your nation or refugees? Not to mention lots of refugees are not refugees. By the way, data-driven governance does sound nice.

[QUOTE=Fourier;49517439]You can't completely linearly categorize people mathematically, this is why generalization is needed. I mean, it's obvious - problems started to rise quite soon after 'refugees' started to flow in => therefore, they are cause of the problem. Yes, lots of refugees may suffer because of that generalization, but you must decide who suffers here .. your nation or refugees? Not to mention lots of refugees are not refugees.[/QUOTE] Technically speaking it started shortly before they really arrived (and had been going for a while, we had very frequent arson attacks on potential refugee housing for about a year now iirc). [URL="http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n24.de%2Fn24%2FNachrichten%2FPolitik%2Fd%2F7742144%2Fwie-die-wutbuerger-lernten--fluechtlinge-zu-lieben.html"]Technically speaking it also completely went away after they arrived in at least one place it was really bad.[/URL] (Besides: Inside Germany xenophobic tendencies have been inversely related to the number of immigrants in a given region for a long time now.) Normally I don't like to speak in absolutes, but in this case your maths (or more precisely: your approach and the logic you use) is utterly wrong. [QUOTE]By the way, data-driven governance does sound nice.[/QUOTE] If the initial approach is open and there are no jumps in logic, yes. It would probably still more resemble stochastics than anything else, until you manage to drill down to the relevant details that can be used to decide any changes necessary.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49515292] I'm not saying Eastern Europeans are all xenophobic holy shit I'm saying that there is no "native working class" by illustrating that most Germans have some foreign background because of history.[/QUOTE] Native Germans don't exist because nobody is of 100% pure German blood? Are you [I]actually[/I] serious? By 'natives', what is obviously meant, is citizens of Germany that have successfully integrated into society and can exist within it without causing any trouble. Whether it was immigrants turned citizens by process of naturalisation or people whose families have been living there for centuries does not matter at all. What matters is that they are completely unlike the assholes who refuse to integrate and instead just make themselves at fucking home without a single care. That's the type that should get the fuck out, and quickly.

[QUOTE=NotMeh;49517968]Native Germans don't exist because nobody is of 100% pure German blood? Are you [I]actually[/I] serious? By 'natives', what is obviously meant, is citizens of Germany that have successfully integrated into society and can exist within it without causing any trouble. Whether it was immigrants turned citizens by process of naturalisation or people whose families have been living there for centuries does not matter at all. What matters is that they are completely unlike the assholes who refuse to integrate and instead just make themselves at fucking home without a single care. That's the type that should get the fuck out, and quickly.[/QUOTE] I'd really like anyone to show me a "native German" or at least a definiton of "native German" that doesn't crumble on itself. But we were talking about "native working class" which doesn't even make a statement about nationality so in that regard I am probably wrong in my argumentation. If by "natives" you mean citizens that successfully integrated the post from Conscript is equaly stupid because the one who can't integrate or exist without causing any trouble are the Pegida people and the idiots in the OP. If that's the people that should get out as you pointed out you'd have to remove thousands of soccer hooligans who regularly cause several hundreds of millions in costs every soccer season. Also that definition of course includes hundreds of people working for Deutsche Bank. And the thousands of people causing trouble at Oktoberfest every year. Maybe you say that Oktoberfest is not representative. Ok. How about Cologne before the refugees even arrived. On average the police filed 55 charges against people on a single day in Cologne Carnival in 2014. That's more than double the charges in numbers than persons they even took in on NYE.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49514480]What the hell is the "native working class", you can't throw a watterbomb into that mob without hitting someone who has some eastern European surname.[/QUOTE] I'm starting to think that Conscript wasn't being sarcastic with that endorsement of Trump.