Man Holds Hotel Get-Together Of 11 Hostage, Rapes Four Of The Hostages, Gets One Hostage Killed By C - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Captain James;42449831]You should only have human rights until you've taken them from someone else.[/QUOTE] But that entirely defeats the purpose of rights [QUOTE=FinalHunter;42449846]He who does not respect life does not deserve it. Most people here try and take the moral high ground, but if you talk with a rape victim or someone whose son or sister or whomever was murdered for five minutes, you'll understand.[/QUOTE] My twin sister was raped and oddly enough I'm not rounding up angry mobs to lynch local rapists and murderers

Of course he's black [highlight](User was banned for this post ("racism/extensive ban history" - daijitsu))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=AustinM;42450166]Of course he's black[/QUOTE] ??????????

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42450159] I suspect you'd feel the way I do if someone close to you were the victim of a crime of this magnitude[/QUOTE] see: [QUOTE=Venezuelan;42449939] you know what, you're probably right, I would want them executed. Me wanting that doesn't mean shit. The law isn't there to appease my emotional state at a low point.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AustinM;42450166]Of course he's black[/QUOTE] and the thread was so close to ending the page on a good note

he raped 4 minors, he wont last long in prison

[QUOTE=AustinM;42450166]Of course he's black[/QUOTE] It's not a surprise, really. :<

[QUOTE=Amish Steak;42450218]It's not a surprise, really. :<[/QUOTE] [B]????????????[/B] See this is why I scoff when people call Facepunch a liberal site. Other than weed and gay marriage it's a watered down /pol/

[QUOTE=Loriborn;42450116]justice is giving a perpetrator a proportionate punishment to the crimes he committed whilst giving said perpetrator the ability to better themselves, make amends for their actions, and after serving their sentence, reentering society as a healthy and productive individual while this may not happen due to the poor US penal system, the purpose of justice is not to make the victims feel better about the incident; the man committed heinous crimes, and is serving his (relatively fair) sentence, and that is as close to justice as the US judicial system can get in its current state while i sympathize with the victims, and have clearly shown in previous posts my attitude towards the criminal, justice is in no way based around revenge or appeasing the emotional demands of the victims[/QUOTE] but if we only mend 1 side of the conflict, the other has the possibility to break and cause further damage. justice shouldn't leave any side mentally unstable.

[QUOTE=lxmach1;42450227]but if we only mend 1 side of the conflict, the other has the possibility to break and cause further damage. justice shouldn't leave any side mentally unstable.[/QUOTE] Instead what, it should leave one side murdered by the state and the other with a half-assed sense of closure?

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42450226][B]????????????[/B] [/QUOTE] Watch Washington's Most Wanted and you'll see why it isn't a surprise that he's black.

[QUOTE=Amish Steak;42450238]Watch Washington's Most Wanted and you'll see why it isn't a surprise that he's black.[/QUOTE] Good lord

[QUOTE=Loriborn;42449077]for four counts of rape (of minors) and one of homicide, not to mention the burglary and hostage-taking, it is a pretty short time considering how often large sentences are given out for less heinous instances [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] in actuality it is a long time, but in practice, (as compared to previous sentences around the nation) it is very minimal[/QUOTE] what the fuck is less heinous than rape and murder

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42450247]Good lord[/QUOTE] You say that like it's a surprise. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racial Stereotyping" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Amish Steak;42450256]You say that like it's a surprise.[/QUOTE] I'm surprised at how racist you are, not much else really

[QUOTE=lxmach1;42450227]but if we only mend 1 side of the conflict, the other has the possibility to break and cause further damage. justice shouldn't leave any side mentally unstable.[/QUOTE] the victim is still free, and therefore able to relieve therapy and counseling to help cope with their emotional problems; (counseling and therapy being far better methods of receiving emotional help than getting told that your rapist is dead) in some instances these sessions are also paid for by the state, but i do firmly believe that the state should also fully fund these sessions in a perfect penal system, just as it focuses on giving the criminal a proportionate sentence with emphasis on rehabilitation (if possible) killing the perpetrator is not going to suddenly fix the emotional problems of the victim, and even if the death did alleviate some fear or satisfy a bloodlust, it would not be, in any situation, a healthy way to cope with the victim's emotional problems, and would only further the mental health damage sustained by the victim [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Whiterfire;42450248]what the fuck is less heinous than rape and murder[/QUOTE] less heinous means "less bad," so things like speeding are less heinous than rape and murder

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42450267]I'm surprised at how racist you are, not much else really[/QUOTE] Of course man. I cracked a couple of comments in a thread, I'm racist now :D lol

[QUOTE=Loriborn;42450272]killing the perpetrator is not going to suddenly fix the emotional problems of the victim, and even if the death did alleviate some fear or satisfy a bloodlust, it would not be, in any situation, a healthy way to cope with the victim's emotional problems, and would only further the mental health damage sustained by the victim[/QUOTE] Not every person can be reformed, come on this is entry level psychology. If it isn't life in prison then he risks doing the same again because he is simply hard wired that way due to his environment, history and upbringing. Justice doesn't have to be pretty, don't confuse vengeance with justice. You ask any seasoned psychologist and I'll bet my left testicle they will tell you the exact same thing word for word. As far as consoling the victims that is an entirely different beast altogether, it goes WITHOUT SAYING they should be supported until they've returned to at the very least a semi normal state of life, but the conflict in this thread is what to do with the criminal.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;42450272]the victim is still free, and therefore able to relieve therapy and counseling to help cope with their emotional problems; in some instances these sessions are also paid for by the state, but i do firmly believe that the state should also fully fund these sessions in a perfect penal system, just as it focuses on giving the criminal a proportionate sentence with emphasis on rehabilitation (if possible) killing the perpetrator is not going to suddenly fix the emotional problems of the victim, and even if the death did alleviate some fear or satisfy a bloodlust, it would not be, in any situation, a healthy way to cope with the victim's emotional problems, and would only further the mental health damage sustained by the victim[/QUOTE] it's not about killing the perpetrator, it's about the victims possibly becoming highly unstable with no support while the criminal gets government-funded therapy.

[QUOTE=Captain James;42450314]Not every person can be reformed, come on this is entry level psychology. If it isn't life in prison then he risks doing the same again because he is simply hard wired that way due to his environment, history and upbringing. Justice doesn't have to be pretty, don't confuse vengeance with justice. You ask any seasoned psychologist and I'll bet my left testicle they will tell you the exact same thing word for word. As far as consoling the victims that is an entirely different beast altogether, it goes WITHOUT SAYING they should be supported until they've returned to at the very least a semi normal state of life, but the conflict in this thread is what to do with the criminal.[/QUOTE] as i said, if an individual can be reformed, then the penal system succeeded, but how is a judge to know whether or not an individual can be rehabilitated if the individual is never given an opportunity to receive proper mental and psychiatric care? it is more ethical, and safer, to assume that all individuals can be rehabilitated, allow them time in prison to receive said mental care, and then determine whether the individual is fit for reentry into society while monitoring them as we do with those under parole for a number of months from my own education on the subject, it is my personal opinion, (and i suppose the opinion of the pysch professor at the university i attended) that while not all criminals can be reformed, there are those who can be successfully treated, and every life we can save is a victory for a proper penal system; locking someone up and throwing away the key, or shooting them, solves nothing beyond ensuring that the criminal cannot commit another crime, but it is the easy and simple way scapegoat out of a problem that should be solved with proper mental care and a significantly more comprehensive concept of helping the victim, and punishing, repairing, and eventually helping the criminal as well [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lxmach1;42450317]it's not about killing the perpetrator, it's about the victims possibly becoming highly unstable with no support while the criminal gets government-funded therapy.[/QUOTE] as i said above, in a perfect penal system, all parties involved in such cases would receive therapy and counseling gratis (paid for by the state)

and your tax dollars are going to make him eat a meal every day, talk and socialize with friends inside jail, and possibly get involved in a gang. Who knows, he might be gutted by next year or further. Hopefully he does. gotta love not having a death penalty for special cases like this!

[QUOTE=SatansSin;42450446]and your tax dollars are going to make him eat a meal every day, talk and socialize with friends inside jail, and form a gang gotta love not having a death penalty for special cases like this![/QUOTE] fixing the US penal system would be vastly preferable to allowing the death penalty to ensure tax payer dollars go towards rehabilitation rather than the forming of gangs a larger sum of taxpayer dollars are required for the death penalty; wouldnt the money saved on keeping the criminal alive be better used in paying for therapy and counseling for the victim rather than satisfying your bloodlust (as knowing their perpetrator is dead will not help the victim at all, and therapy is significantly more beneficial)

[QUOTE=SatansSin;42450446]and your tax dollars are going to make him eat a meal every day, talk and socialize with friends inside jail, and form a gang gotta love not having a death penalty for special cases like this![/QUOTE] What's your point? He's not dead? Well, awesome. He actually gets to suffer being removed from society and having his life post-prison totally demolished by his sentence. Assuming the other inmates don't fuck him up for raping minors.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;42450468]fixing the US penal system would be vastly preferable to allowing the death penalty to ensure tax payer dollars go towards rehabilitation rather than the forming of gangs a larger sum of taxpayer dollars are required for the death penalty; wouldnt the money saved on keeping the criminal alive be better used in paying for therapy and counseling for the victim rather than satisfying your bloodlust (as knowing their perpetrator is dead will not help the victim at all, and therapy is significantly more beneficial)[/QUOTE] Bullets aren't that expensive. You put down a rabid dog, not try to train it better. [QUOTE=hexpunK;42450471]What's your point? He's not dead? Well, awesome. He actually gets to suffer being removed from society and having his life post-prison totally demolished by his sentence. Assuming the other inmates don't fuck him up for raping minors.[/QUOTE] My point being is that him getting removed from 'society' is pointless. What kind of society do you think he lived in, before he did this? Something that was different? Freedom? He probably has been convicted before, lived in a rotten area, and just wanted to do some fucked up thing like this. Of course, I know that raping minors is going to give him a really, REALLY harsh time in prison, and he'll be lucky if he doesn't end up with a shank in his stomach, but quite honestly, rehabilitation or whatever you want to call it for this type of person? It's unneeded.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42449778] this is why we need to keep the death penalty. [/QUOTE] "We need to kill because violence is detrimental to society". How do you not notice the sheer amount of cognitive dissonance required to hold a pro-death penalty view

Holy SHIT. Maybe the rest of the world is confused for as to why this is news, but that sentence for that crime is [I]incredibly[/I] low. People get life sentences for any single one of the things he has done. I don't understand, and I don't think I like it (essentially "An eye for an eye"), but that tends to be how it seems things work here. [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=DaysBefore;42450226][B]????????????[/B] See this is why I scoff when people call Facepunch a liberal site. Other than weed and gay marriage it's a watered down /pol/[/QUOTE] No. No it isn't. There is no single Facepunch identity either.

[QUOTE=SatansSin;42450500]Bullets aren't that expensive. You put down a rabid dog, not try to train it better. My point being is that him getting removed from 'society' is pointless. What kind of society do you think he lived in, before he did this? Something that was different? Freedom? He probably has been convicted before, lived in a rotten area, and just wanted to do some fucked up thing like this. Of course, I know that raping minors is going to give him a really, REALLY harsh time in prison, and he'll be lucky if he doesn't end up with a shank in his stomach, but quite honestly, rehabilitation or whatever you want to call it for this type of person? It's unneeded.[/QUOTE] i dont know how to respond to this because your grasp on human psychology and behavior is not only completely false, but your personal concepts of humanity and ethics is actually quite disgusting; if you assume the criminal is 'diseased' like a dog, your belief that mentally ill individuals should be shot is also deplorable as well, you automatically assume the background of the individual when none of that information was provided why do you assume he was convicted before? why do you assume he lived in a rotten area and just wanted to do "fucked up things?" the article says nothing on the matter, and other than his skin color, you have no way to assume the background of the criminal, or how likely he is to respond to rehabilitation (heads up, psych 101: most people respond positively to proper psychiatric and mental care) [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] im trying to not assume you are being racist, but judging by the info provided, and your assumptions, pretty sure you are, or you believe only poor individuals, or those with shit upbringings, commit crimes

[QUOTE=Mbbird;42450522]Holy SHIT. Maybe the rest of the world is confused for as to why this is news, but that sentence for that crime is [I]incredibly[/I] low. People get life sentences for any single one of the things he has done. I don't understand, and I don't think I like it (essentially "An eye for an eye"), but that tends to be how it seems things work here.[/QUOTE] This is pretty average when you consider it was a plea deal Thousands of kidnapping and rape cases go through the courts, you generally only hear about the super high profile ones on the news and those are generally the extraordinarily extreme ones

[QUOTE=Loriborn;42450543]i dont know how to respond to this because your grasp on human psychology and behavior is not only completely false, but your personal concepts of humanity and ethics is actually quite disgusting; if you assume the criminal is 'diseased' like a dog, your belief that mentally ill individuals should be shot is also deplorable as well, you automatically assume the background of the individual when none of that information was provided why do you assume he was convicted before? why do you assume he lived in a rotten area and just wanted to do "fucked up things?" the article says nothing on the matter, and other than his skin color, you have no way to assume the background of the criminal, or how likely he is to respond to rehabilitation (heads up, psych 101: most people respond positively to proper psychiatric and mental care)[/QUOTE] You don't understand these types of people. You're really trying to defend a pitiful mutt, like this? That should be frowned upon from the rest of society, and should be put into a 6 foot grave? That is truly the deplorable thing. I assumed, because it's true. I've no evidence, but I can guarantee you he has a past. Not many individuals who do this, not have a past. It's pretty obvious. I assume he lived in a rotten area, and that he wanted to do fucked up things because it's not exactly obvious that you seem some high waged kid, white or black, going around killing and raping minors. Just a few weeks ago there were random killings in Toronto, why? Because they felt like it. They all had pasts with the law, and now they're just going to sit in jail. Why waste the tax payers money, when someone who does that, is just going to grow worse in jail? Psychiatric care wouldn't do anything. If they wanted it, they could have gotten it before they did this sort of thing. Someone who has these thoughts are not there in mentally, and shouldn't be allowed to breed, or be cared for, in any way, either than immediate family, and even they should be punished for not treating their offspring or family with discipline. Also, everyone's a little racist. If they don't admit it, they're lying to themselves. [sp]also it's 12AM so sorry if I don't respond to your response, I'm probably sleeping[/sp]

[QUOTE=SatansSin;42450609] Psychiatric care wouldn't do anything. If they wanted it, they could have gotten it before they did this sort of thing. Someone who has these thoughts are not there in mentally, and shouldn't be allowed to breed, or be cared for, in any way, either than immediate family, and even they should be punished for not treating their offspring or family with discipline.[/QUOTE] Jesus fucking christ