Man Holds Hotel Get-Together Of 11 Hostage, Rapes Four Of The Hostages, Gets One Hostage Killed By C - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SatansSin;42450609]I've no evidence, but[/QUOTE] You should've stopped when you wrote this and thought "gee, maybe this isn't such a good idea".

[quote]Also, everyone's a little racist. If they don't admit it, they're lying to themselves.[/quote] christ fucking jesus you've gone completely off the deep end that's not even relevant

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42450507]"We need to kill because violence is detrimental to society". How do you not notice the sheer amount of cognitive dissonance required to hold a pro-death penalty view[/QUOTE] because complicated issues like the death sentence shouldn't be oversimplified to the point where it's black and white? I can't see why you'd think that's a good argument, or why you posted that at all seeing that very few(if any at all) posted their absolute support for the death penalty. you're throwing shit into thin air.

[QUOTE=archangel125;42449463]You're late, peanut gallery. [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] What's more, that was terrible.[/QUOTE] Awwwwwwe.

[QUOTE=SatansSin;42450609]You don't understand these types of people. You're really trying to defend a pitiful mutt, like this? That should be frowned upon from the rest of society, and should be put into a 6 foot grave? That is truly the deplorable thing. I assumed, because it's true. I've no evidence, but I can guarantee you he has a past. Not many individuals who do this, not have a past. It's pretty obvious. I assume he lived in a rotten area, and that he wanted to do fucked up things because it's not exactly obvious that you seem some high waged kid, white or black, going around killing and raping minors. Just a few weeks ago there were random killings in Toronto, why? Because they felt like it. They all had pasts with the law, and now they're just going to sit in jail. Why waste the tax payers money, when someone who does that, is just going to grow worse in jail? Psychiatric care wouldn't do anything. If they wanted it, they could have gotten it before they did this sort of thing. Someone who has these thoughts are not there in mentally, and shouldn't be allowed to breed, or be cared for, in any way, either than immediate family, and even they should be punished for not treating their offspring or family with discipline. Also, everyone's a little racist. If they don't admit it, they're lying to themselves. [sp]also it's 12AM so sorry if I don't respond to your response, I'm probably sleeping[/sp][/QUOTE] at least your username is fitting.

[QUOTE=SatansSin;42450609]You don't understand these types of people. You're really trying to defend a pitiful mutt, like this? That should be frowned upon from the rest of society, and should be put into a 6 foot grave?[/QUOTE] lol, how do you know what kind of person the criminal is? i am not defending him, nor am i advocating his freedom, however, you seem to believe you have some kind of vast knowledge on the background of this specific individuals, and you also seem to believe you have the ability to generalize all individuals who commit rape or murder (your lack of knowledge in the realm of psychology is honestly horrendous) [quote]That is truly the deplorable thing. I assumed, because it's true. I've no evidence, but I can guarantee you he has a past. Not many individuals who do this, not have a past. It's pretty obvious. I assume he lived in a rotten area, and that he wanted to do fucked up things because it's not exactly obvious that you seem some high waged kid, white or black, going around killing and raping minors. Just a few weeks ago there were random killings in Toronto, why? Because they felt like it. They all had pasts with the law, and now they're just going to sit in jail. Why waste the tax payers money, when someone who does that, is just going to grow worse in jail?[/quote] you literally disgust me; your argument is "poor people commit crimes, wealthy people do not" what of those with mental conditions? what of those with money who also "just feel like fucking shit up?" (heads up those are also likely mental instabilities) rich men dont commit rape of minors? are you fucking serious? a likelihood to commit crimes such as murder and rape are not at all correlated to income and you are pitiful for believing that [quote]Psychiatric care wouldn't do anything. If they wanted it, they could have gotten it before they did this sort of thing. Someone who has these thoughts are not there in mentally, and shouldn't be allowed to breed, or be cared for, in any way, either than immediate family, and even they should be punished for not treating their offspring or family with discipline.[/quote] again, you literally disgust me for multiple reasons 1. you are not a psychologist, and it is a commonly accepted fact in psychiatric medicine that most individuals with mental illnesses or conditions, respond positively to mental care (you are the kind of person who believes we should shoot schizophrenics) 2. healthcare is expensive, and those in such situations would likely not even believe that they had mental conditions to begin with; as well, psychiatric care is not only given to those with specific illnesses 3. literally worse than hitler [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;42450620]Jesus fucking christ[/QUOTE] i think i have an aneurysm [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SatansSin;42450609]Also, everyone's a little racist. If they don't admit it, they're lying to themselves.[/QUOTE] how have you not choked to death on your own bullshit holy hell

[QUOTE=lxmach1;42450673]because complicated issues like the death sentence shouldn't be oversimplified to the point where it's black and white? I can't see why you'd think that's a good argument, or why you posted that at all seeing that very few(if any at all) posted their absolute support for the death penalty. you're throwing shit into thin air.[/QUOTE] Here's the grey you want: why is killing needed? We have places where dangerous people can be kept away from the general public called prisons. It's long been established that keeping people in prison is cheaper than it is to kill them. (unless you want to deny people appeals and open the door to all sorts of innocent people being killed) It's also more humane, assuming the person wants to live. (If they don't I think that should be respected but that's a different debate) It's just as effective. (Prison breaks are really damn rare) It's not a deterrent. (States with the death penalty have higher violent crime rates on average) So there's all the grey being considered. Tell me how you come to the conclusion that the death penalty is at all useful.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42449518]He's still a human being who will be spending at least half of his life in prison. That's sad no matter what.[/QUOTE] Ok he's a real human bean. Now what? Where is this inherent sympathy supposed to manifest itself? Hth humans can be some of the worst fucking creatures on this planet, I don't understand this thing FP has with having to point out someone is a human being. Okay, he's human. Doesn't make him not a piece of shit, probably one beyond the point of rehabilition.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42450737]Here's the grey you want: why is killing needed? We have places where dangerous people can be kept away from the general public called prisons. It's long been established that keeping people in prison is cheaper than it is to kill them. (unless you want to deny people appeals and open the door to all sorts of innocent people being killed) It's also more humane, assuming the person wants to live. (If they don't I think that should be respected but that's a different debate) It's just as effective. (Prison breaks are really damn rare) It's not a deterrent. (States with the death penalty have higher violent crime rates on average) [/QUOTE] 1. inmates can enact their own vigilante justice in prison, there's been a few articles on that topic in SH. I wouldn't call them a good alternative if the criminal wants to live. 2. correlation does not equal causation, unless you have sources you'd like to share you shouldn't say the death penalty causes higher crime rates. 3. cost doesn't determine a process's usefulness. 4. dead people can't break out of prison, even rarely. I'm not an avid supporter of the death penalty, but you shouldn't mudfling a poor argument only to support it with later posts.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42450507]"We need to kill because violence is detrimental to society". How do you not notice the sheer amount of cognitive dissonance required to hold a pro-death penalty view[/QUOTE] Probably because I notice what obvious sophistry the above argument is.

[QUOTE=technologics;42449007][IMG]http://guardianlv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Minnesota-Man-Sentenced-to-36-Years-after-Raping-4-Girls-at-Gunpoint-2.jpg[/IMG] [url]http://guardianlv.com/2013/10/man-sentenced-to-36-years-after-raping-4-girls-at-gunpoint-video/[/url][/QUOTE] I hope he gets showed in prison what it's like to be raped, make him a little man bitch!

Nobody likes a rapist, even in prison.

Regardless of what he did, Demetrius Ballinger is a ballin' ass name.

[QUOTE=Riutet;42452021]Regardless of what he did, Demetrius Ballinger is a ballin' ass name.[/QUOTE] It's a shame it had to go to a sub-slime specimen.

I'm no judge but if it was for me he'd be serving life sentence.

I am shocked he is not getting a life sentence. He is obviously mentally unstable. No sane person does this. I don't care how long 36 years is. The fact that he could one day be able to walk around free scares the shit out of me.

[QUOTE=acer8;42451299]I hope he gets showed in prison what it's like to be raped, make him a little man bitch![/QUOTE] you just wished rape on someone i think you should sit and think on that for a minute, worm

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;42452482]you just wished rape on someone i think you should sit and think on that for a minute, worm[/QUOTE] And you would like to wish the scumbag the best whilst in prison? No? I didn't think so. I just think he deserves to know to the full extent of just what he did to those poor helpless people he raped at gunpoint.

[QUOTE=acer8;42452628]And you would like to wish the scumbag the best whilst in prison? No? I didn't think so. I just think he deserves to know to the full extent of just what he did to those poor helpless people he raped at gunpoint.[/QUOTE] no i'd kind of prefer it if prison weren't the kind of place where rapists are allowed to continue their crimes on people who may or may not be innocent (despite you thinking that rapists are scum? think it through)

[QUOTE=acer8;42452628]And you would like to wish the scumbag the best whilst in prison? No? I didn't think so.[/QUOTE] a. don't put words in my mouth b. i sure fucking do in-prison crime shouldn't be considered part of the god damn system

Surely like some people said, jail time and mental help can change a person's view on the world, make them regret their actions and maybe even make them USEFUL in society later on. The only way I see this man change his way of thinking is IF HE DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS WRONG TO BEGIN WITH. And theses situations certainly occur. But I don't believe this is one of those situations. There's no way he didn't know it was morally wrong to take 11 people hostage, raping 4 of them and shooting at another trying to escape. He surely knew what he was doing. It's not about justice. It's not about revenge. It's about getting this guy back to society. And you people think in 36 year's he's gonna be a stable, hard-working citizen willing to give back to the world. You don't believe he's gonna be a rotten-old guy with probably more hatred towards other people after such a time in jail? I know what I'd do after 36 year's and my karma is shit anyway. Go back to my old ways. The ways I know. People defending these kinds of criminals have obviously not seen or been close to these types of people. Some of them never-EVER change. That much I can assure you.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42449025]Title makes it sound as if 36 years wasn't a long time.[/QUOTE] He ain't getting out alive one way or another. Althought I have to add, while not trying to be edgy or anything, It kind of annoys me how he gets away that easy. He has ruined so many people's lifes, I'd want him to suffer.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42450158]But that entirely defeats the purpose of rights My twin sister was raped and oddly enough I'm not rounding up angry mobs to lynch local rapists and murderers[/QUOTE] You fucking wuss, why aren't you?

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42449846]He who does not respect life does not deserve it. Most people here try and take the moral high ground, but if you talk with a rape victim or someone whose son or sister or whomever was murdered for five minutes, you'll understand.[/QUOTE] how many innocent people have to die to the death penalty before it becomes not worth it

[QUOTE=viper shtf;42454097]You fucking wuss, why aren't you?[/QUOTE] Epic ownage And because I don't feel like lynching my father Well, the man who [I]was [/I]my father [editline]8th October 2013[/editline] He's being tried by the government and, God willing, will be put in prison to think about what he did. It gives me and my sister no closure to see him dangling from the gallows as he is already dead to us

[QUOTE=Captain James;42449831]The reality is the death penalty is needed, until you've been the victim of something like this or have had someone close to you suffer something equal as the perpetrator here, you'll always have a sugar coated view of human life being deemed worthy of salvation from the death penalty.[/QUOTE] i'm sorry but you've gotten it the wrong way round people who haven't been raped/had family murdered/whatever don't have a 'sugar-coated view' of the world - they have a realist view of the world that isn't warped and bitter and full of fear, however sad that might sociology rule number 1: victim's opinions on matters are shitty

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42449025]Title makes it sound as if 36 years wasn't a long time.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile, Ponzi Scheme fraud receives 150 years in jail. Scheduled date of release - November 14, 2139

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42450248]what the fuck is less heinous than rape and murder[/QUOTE] Most things? I think you're confused as to the definition of "heinous." Or "less."

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42454406]Epic ownage And because I don't feel like lynching my father Well, the man who [I]was [/I]my father [editline]8th October 2013[/editline] He's being tried by the government and, God willing, will be put in prison to think about what he did. It gives me and my sister no closure to see him dangling from the gallows as he is already dead to us[/QUOTE] Jesus dude, that's fucked up.

Why are you guys always saying that people like this need psychiatric help? I mean, I'm pretty positive that most of these criminals are fully aware of what they're doing (just like Breivik), and no matter how controversial it may be, I fully support death sentence if there's undeniable proof that accused person did something for real (like in this case). Looking from the criminal's point of view, I'm pretty sure that I'd commit my crimes more freely if I knew for sure that I wouldn't be killed. Death is one of the human's biggest fears after all.