Man Holds Hotel Get-Together Of 11 Hostage, Rapes Four Of The Hostages, Gets One Hostage Killed By C - Polidicks

[QUOTE=deadoon;42449075]For the US, 36 years for 4 cases of rape(of minors, mind you), a case of attempted murder and taking hostages? That is minimal at best. He may get as low as 24 years if he has good behavior.[/QUOTE] That's still a fucking long time, let's be fair. To the eye of someone subjected to time, a year is a very long period of time. It seems small when decimalized and put into numbers, but it's actually very long. Million-a-statistic effect and all. I mean shit, I can barely conceive my feelings five years ago. Twenty-four years seems like an eternity to me.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;42457410]Why are you guys always saying that people like this need psychiatric help? I mean, I'm pretty positive that most of these criminals are fully aware of what they're doing (just like Breivik), and no matter how controversial it may be, I fully support death sentence if there's undeniable proof that accused person did something for real (like in this case). Looking from the criminal's point of view, I'm pretty sure that I'd commit my crimes more freely if I knew for sure that I wouldn't be killed. Death is one of the human's biggest fears after all.[/QUOTE] there is absolutely no objective way to define undeniable proof in a court of law ask yourself if life in a box is really a preferable option fact is criminals either expect not to get caught or have come to terms with their lives essentially ending

[QUOTE=Levinx;42451985]Nobody likes a rapist, even in prison.[/QUOTE] Nobody likes anyone in prison. Every time I see a topic like this I see posts like "people who do X crime don't get treated well in prison", and every time I see that I begin to doubt it more and more. Unless an actual prison warden comes in here and tells us exactly how prisoners who do X crime are treated by the other inmates, I'm just going to assume that every one of these claims is bullshit. Also, just because 36 years doesn't seem that fair compared to his crimes doesn't mean it actually isn't. It's still a long fucking time, especially since this was bartered down through a plea bargain. Besides, a lot of shit happens in the span of 36 years. Looking back on my 22 years of life, I don't think I could ever handle even half that time in a cell. Still, he's been sentenced, justice has been served. If you're going to cry about it because he's not being executed by a firing squad, fucking deal with it.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42457285]This man is guilty without a doubt. We are talking about this man. Try again though, maybe next time your post will be relevant.[/QUOTE] You're talking about the death penalty, you're talking about applying the death penalty and having the death penalty. Try again though, maybe next time your post will be relevant.

-Never mind, shit's just a little raw-

[QUOTE=Levinx;42451985]Nobody likes a rapist, even in prison.[/QUOTE] The title and article implies he'll serve his years without issue and get out safe and sound. Considering, though, he raped underaged girls, I doubt he'll last 10 years in prison without getting killed. That, or his fellow inmates will make him [I]wish[/I] he was dead.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;42461905]Considering, though, he raped underaged girls, I doubt he'll last 10 years in prison without getting killed. That, or his fellow inmates will make him [I]wish[/I] he was dead.[/QUOTE] I don't think any of you quite know how prison works. There are no moral white knights in a penitentiary, he will not be shanked in some half-assed grab for 'street justice' as a matter of a fact he will be praised if anything, gang culture is fucking vile and encourages rape and murder. To be completely blunt if his life is in danger at any point it will be gang-related, he might get stabbed or killed for being black, he might get killed for being in the wrong gang, he might get killed for holding out on profits from dealing. If the staff are aware his life is in danger he'll be put in a padded steel box for a few months or sent to another facility to continue his manner of exploits. There will be no 'silver linings' or half-assed 'street justice' during his time in the pen, he'll be practically worshiped and given a tattoo or two for his works. Wishing him harm by some fucked up version of a moral policemen is ignorant at best. Also, wishing harm upon another by any means is fucked. You should know better.

Yeah when people talk about prisoners looking down on pedophiles it's generally very young children, and usually boys 15/16 year old girls isn't gonna get him a hated reputation

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42463492]Yeah when people talk about prisoners looking down on pedophiles it's generally very young children, and usually boys 15/16 year old girls isn't gonna get him a hated reputation[/QUOTE] I think that's bullshit. I see most of them hating rapists period, the younger the victim the worse it gets. [QUOTE=snapshot32;42462266]I don't think any of you quite know how prison works. There are no moral white knights in a penitentiary, he will not be shanked in some half-assed grab for 'street justice' as a matter of a fact he will be praised if anything, gang culture is fucking vile and encourages rape and murder. To be completely blunt if his life is in danger at any point it will be gang-related, he might get stabbed or killed for being black, he might get killed for being in the wrong gang, he might get killed for holding out on profits from dealing. If the staff are aware his life is in danger he'll be put in a padded steel box for a few months or sent to another facility to continue his manner of exploits. There will be no 'silver linings' or half-assed 'street justice' during his time in the pen, he'll be practically worshiped and given a tattoo or two for his works. Wishing him harm by some fucked up version of a moral policemen is ignorant at best. Also, wishing harm upon another by any means is fucked. You should know better.[/QUOTE] How would you know how prison works? Ever been? Most prisoners hate rapists/child molesters because it shows that they pick victims who are weaker than themselves, thus showing weakness. Prisoners in serious penitentiaries such as the one he'll be going to will eat that shit up. Not to mention a lot of them are probably fathers themselves. Regardless, it's not like you just drop and loose all of your morals just because you go to prison. This forum never ceases to amaze me.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;42454400]how many innocent people have to die to the death penalty before it becomes not worth it[/QUOTE] Hang em all and let god sort em out

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;42457410] Death is one of the human's biggest fears after all.[/QUOTE] absolutely false from a psychological standpoint. death is one of human's biggest drives. plenty of people are willing to die without fear, death is proven to be no deterrent [quote]I'm pretty positive that most of these criminals are fully aware of what they're doing (just like Breivik)[/quote] Breivik had a mental disorder [editline]9th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SatansSin;42450609] Also, everyone's a little racist. If they don't admit it, they're lying to themselves.[/QUOTE] racism is taught. i've never been taught to be racist. i might have negative views of certain groups as a result of the culture i was raised in, but negative stereotypes are not the same thing as racism.

[QUOTE=thisispain;42463819]absolutely false from a psychological standpoint. death is one of human's biggest drives. plenty of people are willing to die without fear, death is proven to be no deterrent [/quote] [url]http://www.statisticbrain.com/fear-phobia-statistics/[/url] [quote]2 Fear of death – Necrophobia 68 %[/quote] It's 2nd biggest phobia in US, so yeah. [quote]Breivik had a mental disorder[/quote] [url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/aug/24/breivik-verdict-sane-21-years[/url] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19365616[/url]

[QUOTE=LSK;42463673]I think that's bullshit. I see most of them hating rapists period, the younger the victim the worse it gets. How would you know how prison works? Ever been? Most prisoners hate rapists/child molesters because it shows that they pick victims who are weaker than themselves, thus showing weakness. Prisoners in serious penitentiaries such as the one he'll be going to will eat that shit up. Not to mention a lot of them are probably fathers themselves. Regardless, it's not like you just drop and loose all of your morals just because you go to prison. This forum never ceases to amaze me.[/QUOTE] Do you have any actual proof that this sort of shit happens? Or are you just pulling shit out of your ass because you wish it was true?

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;42467050]Do you have any actual proof that this sort of shit happens? Or are you just pulling shit out of your ass because you wish it was true?[/QUOTE] I wrote a research paper on the treatment and behaviorism of prisoners in San Quentin state prison in California last semester, although it's just one prison the rules definitely apply there, and it's full of some of the countries most violent and gang-affiliated prisoners. If I can find my annotated bibliography I'll post a few excerpts from some of my sources, I'll look now. Why don't you try to find yours in the mean time since you seem to know oh so much about the deep inner-workings of something I'm almost positive you've never researched or experienced.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42471341]I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE. All I said was that we need the death penalty for this case so that the 3 girls whose lives this man wrecked can live in peace. I didn't call for the immediate execution of all potential murderers and rapists across the world. And for when you try and go "oh well you didn't say exactly that before", my post is still clearly aimed at obviously guilty people who have caused serious and ongoing emotional unrest among their victims.[/QUOTE] Justice is not meant to satisfy the victim and the fact that you think so shows you have a very skewed perception of justice.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42471391]Justice is not meant to satisfy the victim and the fact that you think so shows you have a very skewed perception of justice.[/QUOTE] Says who?

[QUOTE=SatansSin;42450609]You don't understand these types of people. You're really trying to defend a pitiful mutt, like this? That should be frowned upon from the rest of society, and should be put into a 6 foot grave? That is truly the deplorable thing. I assumed, because it's true. I've no evidence, but I can guarantee you he has a past. Not many individuals who do this, not have a past. It's pretty obvious. I assume he lived in a rotten area, and that he wanted to do fucked up things because it's not exactly obvious that you seem some high waged kid, white or black, going around killing and raping minors. Just a few weeks ago there were random killings in Toronto, why? Because they felt like it. They all had pasts with the law, and now they're just going to sit in jail. Why waste the tax payers money, when someone who does that, is just going to grow worse in jail? Psychiatric care wouldn't do anything. If they wanted it, they could have gotten it before they did this sort of thing. Someone who has these thoughts are not there in mentally, and shouldn't be allowed to breed, or be cared for, in any way, either than immediate family, and even they should be punished for not treating their offspring or family with discipline. Also, everyone's a little racist. If they don't admit it, they're lying to themselves. [sp]also it's 12AM so sorry if I don't respond to your response, I'm probably sleeping[/sp][/QUOTE] These dark and edgy posts that appear in every thread about a heinous crime saying how the perpetrator is some evil monster that deserves torture and death are not only painful and cringeworthy to read but show a complete lack of understanding of human psychology. [editline]9th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mingebox;42471424]Says who?[/QUOTE] Says any reasonable impartial arbiter? A victim of a crime will be biased, either consciously or subconsciously, against their perpetrator. That's why we have judges and third-parties to determine sentencing. This shit is Justice 101. What the victim wants isn't relevant to a just sentence.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42471432] Says any reasonable impartial arbiter? A victim of a crime will be biased, either consciously or subconsciously, against their perpetrator. That's why we have judges and third-parties to determine sentencing. This shit is Justice 101. What the victim wants isn't relevant to a just sentence.[/QUOTE] It's may not be the ideal form of justice, but it's still earliest and most basic form of justice, and as long as people are capable of being angry over one person hurting another, I'd say it will always exist in one form or another.

[QUOTE=LSK;42471320]I wrote a research paper on the treatment and behaviorism of prisoners in San Quentin state prison in California last semester, although it's just one prison the rules definitely apply there, and it's full of some of the countries most violent and gang-affiliated prisoners. If I can find my annotated bibliography I'll post a few excerpts from some of my sources, I'll look now. Why don't you try to find yours in the mean time since you seem to know oh so much about the deep inner-workings of something I'm almost positive you've never researched or experienced.[/QUOTE] I never said I knew shit about anything, I was just saying that I thought the idea that hardened gang members and murderers would give a shit about rape victims and would retaliate against rapists seems like the kind of bullshit someone with a hard-on for revenge fantasies would make up. If it is true I'll humbly apologize, but the sound of it just seems farfetched to me.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42449518]He's still a human being who will be spending at least half of his life in prison. That's sad no matter what.[/QUOTE] I find it remarkable rather than sad.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42471965]I'm not in charge of the death penalty, and I'm the one talking here. I'm talking about this man and this case. Stop trying to take my words out of context. This man is beyond a doubt guilty. He was arrested on the scene with plenty of witnesses. He wasn't possessed by Satan and forced to commit these crimes. He isn't innocent. That isn't wrong to you? Not in the slightest? Three teenage girls are afraid to leave their own homes, and you're telling me "well that's too bad, because this is what the law says." Who exactly are you supporting here? A murder and a rapist? Are you afraid that we might lose some vital part of society by executing this man and bringing at least some portion of peace to these girls? This isn't 'savage' either. Why does the murderer take a higher precedence over his victims? Why is it our job to care about his life when he's just ruined or ended the lives of others? I'm sorry, this is where I draw the line in these cases and I can never understand most Facepunchers point of view. Everyone just says "oh well he's a human being, we can't kill him" Why not? He didn't have a problem with it. I can't comprehend how our justice system would be more just without the death penalty - infallibly, every single time some genius says "oh well life in prison is more of a punishment anyways" so doesn't that mean we'd be doing them a favor by just killing them now? We can't end a life but we can instead destroy one by locking them away for the rest of their lives? What's the difference?[/QUOTE] I guess I have to repeat myself since it seems you didn't read the post you quoted. In order to cast down a fair sentence, free from bias, an impartial third-party legally empowered by the state to make a reasonable judgment is given the authority of doing so. The sentencing would be biased if the victim had a say. This is very simple. Go learn basic law please. [editline]9th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mingebox;42471671]It's may not be the ideal form of justice, but it's still earliest and most basic form of justice, and as long as people are capable of being angry over one person hurting another, I'd say it will always exist in one form or another.[/QUOTE] Well thanks for the input but it's still not justice