[quote]The team managed to teleport wave packets of light by destroying them in one place and re-creating them in another.[/quote]
So we've reached the point in Scientific Progress where we can break the Law of Conservation of Energy? Awesome. :v:
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A human Fax Machine,huh?[/QUOTE]
I am now aware that there's a live-action Gantz film.
It looks horrible.
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Scientist casts: Scroll of Town Portal
[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;29203475]and then we never hear about it[/QUOTE]
again
They didn't explain what the breakthrough was.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;29202974]It said destroying and recreating, i think that would kill you and rebirth you as a mindless braindead hunk of flesh.[/QUOTE]
Uh, no. Why would that happen?
:science:
[quote]Shrodinger's Cat[/quote]
What cat?
I never got the Shrödinger experement.
Probably because I don't know much about quantum mechanics v:v:v
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29203931]They didn't explain what the breakthrough was.
Uh, no. Why would that happen?[/QUOTE]
It sort of would. Assuming a human conscience works the way we think it does, it would just be a copy of you, and nobody would know the difference. Essentially you'd be dead, and a copy of you would roam the earth.
If there's more to a human "soul" than we know, then I could be wrong, but as it stands that's what would happen most likely.
This article isn't very good, unless the break through was discovering how to "destroy" light.
[QUOTE=noobcake;29204114]It sort of would. Assuming a human conscience works the way we think it does, it would just be a copy of you, and nobody would know the difference. Essentially you'd be dead, and a copy of you would roam the earth.
If there's more to a human "soul" than we know, then I could be wrong, but as it stands that's what would happen most likely.[/QUOTE]
Assuming the two systems are physically indistinguishable, it IS you. There is no difference. You're actually assuming there is some sort of human soul, even though it seems counterintuitive.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29203931]They didn't explain what the breakthrough was.
Uh, no. Why would that happen?[/QUOTE]
Your brain would be backed up, true, but would the actual information stored in there be transported? Might be, so I'm not sure.
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[QUOTE=FreakySoup;29204043]What cat?[/QUOTE]
Uh, what cat?
[QUOTE=photonManipul8r;29204142]Your brain would be backed up, true, but would the actual information stored in there be transported? Might be, so I'm not sure[/QUOTE]
All the information is stored in the physical state of your brain, so yes.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29204141]Assuming the two systems are physically indistinguishable, it IS you. There is not difference. You're actually assuming there is some sort of human soul, even though it seems counterintuitive.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how you could destroy a person then recreate them EXACTLY as they were
the original person is gone, dead
the new person is not the same as the original
they're an exact copy but not the same person
[QUOTE=noobcake;29204196]I don't see how you could destroy a person then recreate them EXACTLY as they were
the original person is gone, dead
the new person is not the same as the original
they're an exact copy but not the same person[/QUOTE]
An exact copy IS the same person. There is no soul or metaphysical essence of person. A person consists entirely of the physical state of their body.
[QUOTE=alphatwo;29204046]I never got the Shrödinger experement.
Probably because I don't know much about quantum mechanics v:v:v[/QUOTE]
Until you open the box, there is the possibility of the cat having died, and the possibility of the cat being alive. When you open the box, you destroy the possibility.
Same applies in quantum computing. You can't get results until you "look" at them. By doing so, you destroy the data set. So you can only really get answers, but not relate them to the data that passed the condition.
However, some thing called "eigenstates" allows you to get what data passed the condition - which makes it useful.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29204227]An exact copy IS the same person. There is no soul or metaphysical essence of person. A person consists entirely of the physical state of their body.[/QUOTE]
yes
and the body that comes out the end is not THEIR BODY
just a copy of it
so the person is dead, and a copy takes their place
[QUOTE=noobcake;29204458]yes
and the body that comes out the end is not THEIR BODY
just a copy of it
so the person is dead, and a copy takes their place[/QUOTE]
Unless you believe in a soul, two indistinguishable copies of the same system ARE the same system. It's like saying, "This is not my ball, it's an exact particle-for-particle replica of it!" The claim has no meaning. Every quality that makes it what it is is there so it is the same object.
0 ping anybody?
[QUOTE=noobcake;29204458]yes
and the body that comes out the end is not THEIR BODY
just a copy of it
so the person is dead, and a copy takes their place[/QUOTE]
Thats like saying saying and saying are not the same word, even though I copy pasted one of those sayings after typing out the first one.
Are you really saying that?
If teleportation is ever invented, it'll kill the airline business.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29204493]Unless you believe in a soul, two indistinguishable copies of the same system ARE the same system. It's like saying, "This is not my ball, it's an exact particle-for-particle replica of it!" The claim has no meaning. Every quality that makes it what it is is there so it is the same object.[/QUOTE]
This destroy and recreate thing will not create you. It will create a clone of you.
So if you skip the destroy part and just create, you will get 2 same persons, but you only get to control one because the other one is a clone that has the same mind, but not the same consciousness.
No one else will notice the difference because that clone will think and do like you do, but you original will be dead when destroyed.
The problem here is that when you teleport a person, you won't know if it's the same person or not because obviously the clone will claim he is the same person. The only one affected is you, because during this kind of teleportation YOU die.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29204493]Unless you believe in a soul, two indistinguishable copies of the same system ARE the same system. It's like saying, "This is not my ball, it's an exact particle-for-particle replica of it!" The claim has no meaning. Every quality that makes it what it is is there so it is the same object.[/QUOTE]
It totally depends on how conciousness works. It's understandable if you were to chop some one's head in half, then rearrange the molecules into the exact same position that it would be the same person. On this scale, where every particle is separated, destroyed and recreated in the same configuration; who can say what would happen to that persons conciousness.
This kind of technology is pretty fucking awesome, if we can perfect it we could potentially use it to communicate with satellites and eventually other planets in real time. At the moment we've got to wait for radio waves to travel, which on even on the scale of the solar system prohibits rapid communication.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;29205022]This destroy and recreate thing will not create you. It will create a clone of you.
So if you skip the destroy part and just create, you will get 2 same persons, but you only get to control one because the other one is a clone that has the same mind, but not the same consciousness.
No one else will notice the difference because that clone will think and do like you do, but you original will be dead when destroyed.
The problem here is that when you teleport a person, you won't know if it's the same person or not because obviously the clone will claim he is the same person. The only one affected is you, because during this kind of teleportation YOU die.[/QUOTE]
"You" don't control you. There is no metaphysical free will you use to control your body.
Here's a thought experiment for you: A clone of you is created somewhere in the universe and at the instant that happens, you and it both switch places via teleportation. Which do you control?
The fun thing is it's impossible to prove that it kills you because the clone on the other end has the exact same memories.
Deep Thought is within reach now.
Let the building begin!
[QUOTE=Shrapnel :3;29205096]The fun thing is it's impossible to prove that it kills you because the clone on the other end has the exact same memories.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. You will die and no one will even know. Kinda reminds me of that movie with Schwarzenegger. I don't remember the name, but he had a clone or something and no one even suspected anything.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29205076]"You" don't control you. There is no metaphysical free will you use to control your body.
Here's a thought experiment for you: A clone of you is created somewhere in the universe and at the instant that happens, you and it both switch places via teleportation. Which do you control?[/QUOTE]
The original you, the clone is a separate entity
[QUOTE=mokkan;29205173]The original you, the clone is a separate entity[/QUOTE]
Yet you have a system of particles in one location (where the "original you" starts) whose time-evolution is completely continuous.
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Something else has to have swapped between them. Some sort of human soul. Otherwise, reason would dictate that the consciousness of the original person never changes places.
This is super exciting news actually. This means quantum computing is just around the corner, and with that, AI within 10 years will be as smart (if not smarter) as we are.
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