Quantum entanglement?
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[QUOTE=Fatman55;29203431]I know it sounds stupid but I would [B]never[/B] go into a teleporter.
Not because I would be scared of just not coming out the other end but what if you were destroyed and then it was basically a copy, nobody would ever be able to tell either.[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of the Prestige.
[QUOTE=Novangel;29205680]Reminds me of the Prestige.[/QUOTE]
That's what the whole movie was about.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29205858]That's what the whole movie was about.[/QUOTE]
Just saying.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29205076]"You" don't control you. There is no metaphysical free will you use to control your body.
Here's a thought experiment for you: A clone of you is created somewhere in the universe and at the instant that happens, you and it both switch places via teleportation. Which do you control?[/QUOTE]
Neither.
teleportation isn't that good, the jet lag would be terrible.
I assume much like Schrodinger's cat if we look into our Quantum PC cases it'll either be working or not working?
[quote]The process involves 'Schrodinger's cat'. Unfortunately it's not a real feline, but a hypothetical experiment first carried out in the 1935.[/quote]
How the hell do you carry out a theoretical experiment?
Also for telecommunications, this is awesome. I don't care about computers and shit, I want to have communication with a Mars station in real time.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29205076]
Here's a thought experiment for you: A clone of you is created somewhere in the universe and at the instant that happens, you and it both switch places via teleportation. Which do you control?[/QUOTE]
Neither, because you would both die in the process. When it was all over, 2 of you would be dead, and 2 more copies would exist.
You don't have to believe in a soul to understand different consciousnesses.
When you meet another person, you know that you are not experiencing what they are experiencing. If you made a clone of yourself, you would not be experiencing both lives either.
Here's another thought experiment: You teleport somewhere, and the process goes horribly wrong. your brain has been re-arranged slightly. Apart from things like seizures and blindness, your thought process has been altered, and most of your memories are missing. You aren't completely changed however. you still recognize the voices and identities of familiar people. You retain some of your former personality, but you clearly are not the same as you once were.
In this case, did you die? Say you have a twin. You are now less like you than your twin brother was.
[quote]Schrödinger envisioned in a cat in a sealed box with a small amount of radioactive material and a Geiger counter measuring radiation. If the atom decayed the counter would release cyanide into the box and kill the cat.[/quote]
that's woefully disturbing
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29205076]
Here's a thought experiment for you: A clone of you is created somewhere in the universe and at the instant that happens, you and it both switch places via teleportation. Which do you control?[/QUOTE]
Since the mere difference in environment is enough to make the clones non-congruent the only possible answer is the other one
[QUOTE=Jager_57;29206177]Neither, because you would both die in the process. When it was all over, 2 of you would be dead, and 2 more copies would exist.
You don't have to believe in a soul to understand different consciousnesses.
When you meet another person, you know that you are not experiencing what they are experiencing. If you made a clone of yourself, you would not be experiencing both lives either.
Here's another thought experiment: You teleport somewhere, and the process goes horribly wrong. your brain has been re-arranged slightly. Apart from things like seizures and blindness, your thought process has been altered, and most of your memories are missing. You aren't completely changed however. you still recognize the voices and identities of familiar people. You retain some of your former personality, but you clearly are not the same as you once were.
In this case, did you die? Say you have a twin. You are now less like you than your twin brother was.[/QUOTE]
You have just accidentally implied there is a soul. If your body teleports somewhere else and at precisely the same instant a "clone" of you is made in the place where you were, why would your consciousness change? There is no discontinuity in the system of particles that make up your body. What magical force dictates where your consciousness goes if the state of the brain sitting in that location is unchanged throughout the whole process?
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;29206299]Since the mere difference in environment is enough to make the clones non-congruent[/QUOTE]
Which one is the other one?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29206333]You have just accidentally implied there is a soul. If your body teleports somewhere else and at precisely the same instant a "clone" of you is made in the place where you were, why would your consciousness change? There is no discontinuity in the system of particles that make up your body. What magical force dictates where your consciousness goes if the state of the brain sitting in that location is unchanged throughout the whole process?[/QUOTE]
I was trying to assume your viewpoint for the purpose of the experiment, not mine. Again, I do not imply that consciousness requires a soul.
There are only three viewpoints possible.
1. Consciousness dies in teleportation
2. Consciousness moves in teleportation
3. There is no consciousness.
You obviously do not agree with the first, and it's starting to sound as if you are denying the second as well. So I'm guessing you went with the third, which means you choose to deny the obvious?
[QUOTE=Jager_57;29206543]I was trying to assume your viewpoint for the purpose of the experiment, not mine. Again, I do not imply that consciousness requires a soul.
There are only three viewpoints possible.
1. Consciousness dies in teleportation
2. Consciousness moves in teleportation
3. There is no consciousness.
You obviously do not agree with the first, and it's starting to sound as if you are denying the second as well. So I'm guessing you went with the third, which means you choose to deny the obvious?[/QUOTE]
4) consciousness isn't affected by teleportation.
This is bullshit. Teleportation was already a breakthrough, scientists are just taking credit for things they didn't do.
[quote]Here's another thought experiment: You teleport somewhere, and the process goes horribly wrong. your brain has been re-arranged slightly. Apart from things like seizures and blindness, your thought process has been altered, and most of your memories are missing. You aren't completely changed however. you still recognize the voices and identities of familiar people. You retain some of your former personality, but you clearly are not the same as you once were.
In this case, did you die? Say you have a twin. You are now less like you than your twin brother was. [/quote]
I think you didn't die. Say, for example, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage]Phineas Gage[/url]. He had a personality and behavior change after his little accident. I wouldn't know about the thought process, though.
[QUOTE=jaykray;29206570]4) consciousness isn't affected by teleportation.[/QUOTE]
The first body is removed and the second is created.
You are suggesting that you become a ghost? This implies a soul, which I've left out of this argument.
[QUOTE=Jager_57;29206626]The first body is removed and the second is created.
You are suggesting that you become a ghost? This implies a soul, which I've left out of this argument.[/QUOTE]
I thought you were saying that the two swapped places, not that one has to be removed. If your body is removed than so is your consciousness. If your body is just moved then so is your consciousness.
Two people was implied in JohnnyMo1's experiment, which isn't what I am discussing at the moment.
[QUOTE=Jager_57;29206543]I was trying to assume your viewpoint for the purpose of the experiment, not mine. Again, I do not imply that consciousness requires a soul.
There are only three viewpoints possible.
1. Consciousness dies in teleportation
2. Consciousness moves in teleportation
3. There is no consciousness.
You obviously do not agree with the first, and it's starting to sound as if you are denying the second as well. So I'm guessing you went with the third, which means you choose to deny the obvious?[/QUOTE]
Sort of 3 but not really. I think that people spend too much time trying to figure out "who controls what" in this, but there is no free will, and we all look at consciousness the wrong way to begin with. There's nothing special about it. It's just a bunch of chemical reactions and the way they're affected by stimuli. To think that a system of particles is recreated somewhere else and destroyed where it was, but an exact copy is made in its place, but something undefinable about "who the system is" changes is unscientific. It's the same bunch of stuff.
[QUOTE=Jager_57;29206732]Two people was implied in JohnnyMo1's experiment, which isn't what I am discussing at the moment.[/QUOTE]
Ah sorry man, it's 4am here. Just saw the experiment you're referring to. They've just had some form of brain damage from the sound of it. If someone has a twin, and they get brain damaged, is that twin more like them than they are? No, is my answer.
[QUOTE=Jager_57;29206732]Two people was implied in JohnnyMo1's experiment, which isn't what I am discussing at the moment.[/QUOTE]
I like that. I think I'll keep it.
Rutherford's gold foil experiment. Young's double-slit experiment. JohnnyMo1's teleportation-clone though experiment.
wtf they copy portal 2
[QUOTE=DiscoBiscut;29206835]wtf they copy portal 2[/QUOTE]
Please be joking.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29203931]They didn't explain what the breakthrough was.
Uh, no. Why would that happen?[/QUOTE]
[quote]The team managed to teleport wave packets of light by destroying them in one place and re-creating them in another.
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Essentially thats what would happen to you...most likely your body would just be lifeless.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;29206844]Essentially thats what would happen to you...most likely your body would just be lifeless.[/QUOTE]
Explain why. That makes no sense.
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Did they forget to teleport the life-particles with you or something?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;29206844]Essentially thats what would happen to you...most likely your body would just be lifeless.[/QUOTE]
If your brain is copied cell for cell, why would you be lifeless?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29206874]Explain why. That makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
You have a "soul"
Its called Consciousness.
Basicly, right now, your mind is controlling your body, it would be destroyed and recreated, you would be dead, the other one would eithere be a duplicate, suffer brain damage, or die.
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[QUOTE=jaykray;29206892]If your brain is copied cell for cell, why would you be lifeless?[/QUOTE]
Wait, i just thought, how would your heart start up again?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;29206920]You have a "soul"
Its called Consciousness.
Basicly, right now, your mind is controlling your body, it would be destroyed and recreated, you would be dead, the other one would eithere be a duplicate, suffer brain damage, or die.
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Wait, i just thought, how would your heart start up again?[/QUOTE]
As said before, consciousness is just chemical reactions to outside stimuli. Teleportation wouldn't change that.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29206333]You have just accidentally implied there is a soul. [/QUOTE]
Sounds like [I]you're [/I]the one implying there is a soul. If you're completely destroyed and rebuilt somewhere else, the original you would cease to exist your own perspective, and the new one would have the illusion of having survived, even they just they didn't exist until moments ago.
[QUOTE=jaykray;29206956]As said before, consciousness is just chemical reactions to outside stimuli. Teleportation wouldn't change that.[/QUOTE]
Okay...but you'd still be dead.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;29206920]You have a "soul"
Its called Consciousness.
Basicly, right now, your mind is controlling your body, it would be destroyed and recreated, you would be dead, the other one would eithere be a duplicate, suffer brain damage, or die.[/QUOTE]
Uh, moving all the particles that make you up should not just flick a life-switch that kills you when you get there.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;29206920]Wait, i just thought, how would your heart start up again?[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't have stopped.
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