Scientists make teleportation breakthrough - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29206775]Sort of 3 but not really. I think that people spend too much time trying to figure out "who controls what" in this, but there is no free will, and we all look at consciousness the wrong way to begin with. There's nothing special about it. It's just a bunch of chemical reactions and the way they're affected by stimuli. To think that a system of particles is recreated somewhere else and destroyed where it was, but an exact copy is made in its place, but something undefinable about "who the system is" changes is unscientific. It's the same bunch of stuff.[/QUOTE] Free will is not a necessity for consciousness. If none of us have free will then we are still experiencing the world, even if it is on a straight track. If there is no consciousness, then things like happiness and feelings do not exist. Feelings would affect our reactions, and the chemistry in the brain, but there would be no other meaning. They cannot truly be felt. Obviously though, we are feeling something. Free will or not, feelings are actually felt. Sights are actually seen. What you have done, is denied the only thing we can be 100% sure of. That is, that we exist at all. I cannot know that you exist consciously, but I can know that I exist consciously.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29206971]Uh, moving all the particles that make you up should not just flick a life-switch that kills you when you get there. It wouldn't have stopped.[/QUOTE] [quote]The team managed to teleport wave packets of light [b]by destroying them in one place and re-creating them in another.[/b] [/quote]

I think we need to establish the rules of the teleportation we're talking about before we start making hypothetical experiments.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;29206920] Wait, i just thought, how would your heart start up again?[/QUOTE] The ion concentrations and membrane potentials in your cells would be copied as well so that your pacemakers cells would still be able to initiate action potentials and lead to the contraction of your cardiac muscle cells.

[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;29207001]The ion concentrations and membrane potentials in your cells would be copied as well so that your pacemakers cells would still be able to initiate action potentials and lead to the contraction of your cardiac muscle cells.[/QUOTE] I see. In either case, YOU would still be dead. there would just be a clone walking around thinking he was you.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;29206965]Sounds like [I]you're [/I]the one implying there is a soul. If you're completely destroyed and rebuilt somewhere else, the original you would cease to exist your own perspective, and the new one would have the illusion of having survived, even they just they didn't exist until moments ago.[/QUOTE] Why? A consciousness is the matter and energy that makes it up and all you're doing is moving the system somewhere else. Everyone's trying to think what it would seem like from their perspective but it doesn't matter. The same collection of stuff moved instantly to a new position is no different apart from its environment. If your conception of how consciousness works does not line up with how it should appear to an outsider looking in, just seeing the same bunch of matter move somewhere else in the same form, your understanding of consciousness needs revising. [editline]15th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;29206985][QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29206971]Uh, moving all the particles that make you up should not just flick a life-switch that kills you when you get there. It wouldn't have stopped.[/QUOTE] [quote]The team managed to teleport wave packets of light [b]by destroying them in one place and re-creating them in another.[/b] [/quote][/QUOTE] good job not making a point

not okay with dying and letting some dick clone live my life FUCK THAT

Im thinking a better meathod of teleportation is making holes. You know, like portal, instead of destroying you and recreating you somewhere else, you'd step through a hole.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;29207055]Im thinking a better meathod of teleportation is making holes. You know, like portal, instead of destroying you and recreating you somewhere else, you'd step through a hole.[/QUOTE] IIRC and I probably don't, there was a plan to make a hole from england to australia. It would take ages to go through. I saw it on a tv show when I was a kid.

[QUOTE=Jager_57;29206978]What you have done, is denied the only thing we can be 100% sure of.[/QUOTE] I haven't denied consciousness exists.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;29207018]I see. In either case, YOU would still be dead. there would just be a clone walking around thinking he was you.[/QUOTE] Every empirical method would identify your clone/copy as the original. For all intents and purposes you'd be the same person.

[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;29207130]Every empirical method would identify your clone/copy as the original. For all intents and purposes you'd be the same person.[/QUOTE] This is my point. If no test can distinguish you and your copy, how can you say that they are different? This has defined my understanding of consciousness, not the other way around.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29207095]I haven't denied consciousness exists.[/QUOTE] If it doesn't move, and doesn't die from a teleportation, but it still exists, then there are two possibilities. 1. It becomes a spirit 2. The Law of Universal causation doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;29207130]Every empirical method would identify your clone/copy as the original. For all intents and purposes you'd be the same person.[/QUOTE] Except the original you, who has ceased to exist. Teleportation is essentially creating a perfect copy and shooting the original.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29207155]This is my point. If no test can distinguish you and your copy, how can you say that they are different? This has defined my understanding of consciousness, not the other way around.[/QUOTE] You would still be dead, there would be a copy of you, who is 100% like you, but its not the same person, you would not exist anymore.

[QUOTE=Jager_57;29207181]If it doesn't move, and doesn't die from a teleportation, but it still exists, then there are two possibilities. 1. It becomes a spirit 2. The Law of Universal causation doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] Which experiment are you talking about?

[QUOTE=jaykray;29207073]IIRC and I probably don't, there was a plan to make a hole from england to australia. It would take ages to go through. I saw it on a tv show when I was a kid.[/QUOTE] No no i mean like a hole like in the game "Portal" Where it makes a hole that goes directly to another place. Think of putting a door against your home in england and it comes out ontop of the statue of liberty.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;29207240]No no i mean like a hole like in the game "Portal" Where it makes a hole that goes directly to another place. Think of putting a door against your home in england and it comes out ontop of the statue of liberty.[/QUOTE] Jetlag would be horrible

[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;29207238]actually if teleportation actually existed as in scifi we would be able to be 100% teleported, thus making our mind - let's say it's simply our electrical currents in our brain for the sake of patience - intact on the other side since even currents and the eletron's positions would be 100% the same[/QUOTE] Yes well, thats scifi, if you tried it in real life, chances are that you would die, and a clone of you would take over your life.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29207211]Which experiment are you talking about?[/QUOTE] Mine, yours, or just teleportation in general. I don't think it changes anything here. I meant in general if that matters.

Now what we need is Time Travel.

None of this matters now anyway since they can only "teleport" "packets of light" and atoms. [editline]16th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;29207282]Now what we need is Time Travel.[/QUOTE] Don't tell china

[QUOTE=jaykray;29207291]None of this matters now anyway since they can only "teleport" "packets of light" and atoms. [editline]16th April 2011[/editline] Don't tell china[/QUOTE] Hmm...i just thought, if we somehow perfected time travel so that we litterally moved through time...could that mean teleportation through going 1 second into the future at a designated location?

[QUOTE=Jager_57;29207264]Mine, yours, or just teleportation in general. I don't think it changes anything here.[/QUOTE] Yes it does. I said the consciousness doesn't go anywhere in my clone + teleportation experiment because the clone replaces you precisely where you were. Somewhere in space, a collection of matter is teleported somewhere else but immediately replaced with an identical collection. This is equivalent to having the same person there the whole time. Explain how the clone is a "new person" who just thinks he's the old one. He has the same memories and physical attributes, and is in exactly the same location. I never said "the person teleports and the consciousness just floats where it was before." That would be retarded.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29205220]Yet you have a system of particles in one location (where the "original you" starts) whose time-evolution is completely continuous. [editline]15th April 2011[/editline] Something else has to have swapped between them. Some sort of human soul. Otherwise, reason would dictate that the consciousness of the original person never changes places.[/QUOTE] But the original brain would get teleported too wouldn't it?

[QUOTE=mokkan;29207382]But the original brain would get teleported too wouldn't it?[/QUOTE] Yes, but ignore it for the moment. It's not relevant to the point I'm making now.

[QUOTE=BlkDucky;29203514]I am now aware that there's a live-action Gantz film. It looks horrible.[/QUOTE] I never watched, but I think the manga is awesome!

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29207394]Yes, but ignore it for the moment. It's not relevant to the point I'm making now.[/QUOTE] I can't do that.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29207358]Yes it does. I said the consciousness doesn't go anywhere in my clone + teleportation experiment because the clone replaces you precisely where you were. Somewhere in space, a collection of matter is teleported somewhere else but immediately replaced with an identical collection. This is equivalent to having the same person there the whole time. Explain how the clone is a "new person" who just thinks he's the old one. He has the same memories and physical attributes, and is in exactly the same location. I never said "the person teleports and the consciousness just floats where it was before." That would be retarded.[/QUOTE] I see that now, Agreed. In your experiment the consciousness could possibly stay in the same place. You failed to address where it goes when there is no clone however.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29207358]Yes it does. I said the consciousness doesn't go anywhere in my clone + teleportation experiment because the clone replaces you precisely where you were. Somewhere in space, a collection of matter is teleported somewhere else but immediately replaced with an identical collection. This is equivalent to having the same person there the whole time. Explain how the clone is a "new person" who just thinks he's the old one. He has the same memories and physical attributes, and is in exactly the same location. I never said "the person teleports and the consciousness just floats where it was before." That would be retarded.[/QUOTE] Nobody else, including the clone, will notice a difference, and neither will the old you, because your existence ended the moment the teleporter completely obliterated you.